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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 04-17-2024, 07:18 PM
(04-13-2024, 04:52 PM)Tominique Wrote: If I can go on about this game for a second. I used to play the original release of Sonic World, before Release 10, and its a fangame I hold near and dear to my heart for being one of, if not my first Sonic fangame I've played outside of Flash games. It was all kinds of jank but it was a prime example of quantity over quality, tons of stages and characters from all over the Sonic games, along with mod support. It was a Sonic fan's dream!
... Even though back then I barely knew any of the other character's names and had no idea who like 85% of the playable characters were...
Anyways, years later, Sonic World DX comes out, a current work-in-progress meant to polish up many of original Sonic World's issues (of which there were a lot). And right now they barely have as many characters and levels, but the gameplay is phenomenal, and is actually what got me so interested in doing Score-Attack runs in other Sonic games, this one is actually kind of tough to get S-Ranks on.
Nothing more to add. Just diversifying the selection even more.
I've actually never heard of this game! then again, I'm not too into the fangame scene other than a few discontinued projects so this was really cool to see! playable Mighty is always a good thing too
I'm somewhat stumped for Score Attack runs aside from maybe trying for highscores in the Mech stages in SA2, bcuz I know there's a lot of tech and oddities with the Mech stages; SA2 in general would be fun for score runs bcuz it's not smth ppl really do in the game and would give me a reason to try smth new. the Genesis games would be good to for Score Attack runs too now that I think abt it... I haven't gotten very good at Rush unfortunately so my score runs would be pretty embarrassing
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 04-17-2024, 08:07 PM
(04-17-2024, 07:18 PM)hooligan Wrote: I've actually never heard of this game! then again, I'm not too into the fangame scene other than a few discontinued projects so this was really cool to see! playable Mighty is always a good thing too
I'm somewhat stumped for Score Attack runs aside from maybe trying for highscores in the Mech stages in SA2, bcuz I know there's a lot of tech and oddities with the Mech stages; SA2 in general would be fun for score runs bcuz it's not smth ppl really do in the game and would give me a reason to try smth new. the Genesis games would be good to for Score Attack runs too now that I think abt it... I haven't gotten very good at Rush unfortunately so my score runs would be pretty embarrassing
Oh man, Sonic World could be a thread on it's own... more on that in due time.
About good games to Score-Attack, I think you have it right on the money with Adventure 2, even though I heard that game actually has kind of a wonky system when you're focusing on score, but at least the mech stages would be a good challenge.
My bias pick would of course be Sonic Rush, I see it as the best Sonic Score-Attacking experience, but as you've already said, that game still needs some getting used to. But alternatively, I think Shadow the Hedgehog would do for fine Score-Attacking as well, you could go weeks perfecting all the missions, and the game already incentivizes you to get high score way more than other Sonic games anyways. -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 04-19-2024, 08:30 AM
Honestly, I definitely feel like this one could have been done way better, I slacked off specially at Lap 3, but we've been too long without Riders.
Though this track really got me wondering if I was going the right route, it definitely feels way more open with how you can run through it.
![[Image: vH08F9q.png]](https://i.imgur.com/vH08F9q.png)
Another thing I want to point out is these rails here at the two bridges. I remember seeing how it's actually faster to fall off the first and just drift on that U-turn, though I'll have to experiment with that. -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
BDBGaming > 04-19-2024, 08:51 AM
(04-19-2024, 08:30 AM)Tominique Wrote: [Video: https://youtu.be/YBcF-oP-ZOE?si=6fimsY_gbBW_kMvT]
Honestly, I definitely feel like this one could have been done way better, I slacked off specially at Lap 3, but we've been too long without Riders.
Though this track really got me wondering if I was going the right route, it definitely feels way more open with how you can run through it.
[Image: https://i.imgur.com/vH08F9q.png]
Another thing I want to point out is these rails here at the two bridges. I remember seeing how it's actually faster to fall off the first and just drift on that U-turn, though I'll have to experiment with that.
I mean, I suck at Riders despite how much I play it, so you're good! -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 04-19-2024, 11:34 AM
(04-19-2024, 08:30 AM)Tominique Wrote: [Video: https://youtu.be/YBcF-oP-ZOE?si=6fimsY_gbBW_kMvT]
Honestly, I definitely feel like this one could have been done way better, I slacked off specially at Lap 3, but we've been too long without Riders.
Though this track really got me wondering if I was going the right route, it definitely feels way more open with how you can run through it.
[Image: https://i.imgur.com/vH08F9q.png]
Another thing I want to point out is these rails here at the two bridges. I remember seeing how it's actually faster to fall off the first and just drift on that U-turn, though I'll have to experiment with that.
I think it totally depends on your top speed and what the rail speed is, at lv 2 Amy's top speed was 230~ then while on the rail your speed goes up to 240/260/280 for each rail but it didn't scale any higher when you were lv 3 so I think for the 1st lap it's worth it but for the later laps when you're lv 3 and your boost goes up to 250 I think you're right to only take the first rail and drop down like you said
your run is fantastic though! I think you managed your air and and boosts really well, I don't have anything new to show really but I don't think I shared my run of Night Chase w/ Storm, I absolutely hate this stage bcuz of all the police cars at the beginning and I need to get into boost chaining more... I've been playing more casually recently since my friends haven't experienced the Riders series at all so I've been doing both Riders and Zero Gravity-- I'm worried I'm going to accidentally beat one of my times while casually playing story mode though
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 05-07-2024, 11:55 AM
Dunno why I left this one lying around for so long, honestly. I really like this run.
It also showcases something I love about Advance 2, being much a run can change depending on your character. Siccing Cheese on enemies sounds bad since it slows you down, but it's a good enough trade instead since you'll have to either maneuver around them or slow down when hitting them anyways.
![[Image: fcL5JxX.png]](https://i.imgur.com/fcL5JxX.png)
The different trick trajectories also helps. The weird angle of Cream's lets you just go in-between this Swing Bar and Item Capsule around 45 seconds into the run. Intentionally missing out on the Swing Bar and Electric Shield and hitting the passivity-trap spring to do so is also why I like this game so much. Sometimes you gotta go weird with your routes for the fastest one.
Really, this game breaks a lot of 2D Sonic conventions. I have to instinctively stop myself from rolling down hills since you can only enter Boost Mode while running for long enough. It's quite the unique experience and weirdly reminiscent of the future Boost games. And hey, Dimps went on to develop Sonic Rush which birthed the Boost formula, so that's just the Dimps style at the time, I suppose.
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 05-07-2024, 05:41 PM
(05-07-2024, 11:55 AM)Tominique Wrote: [Video: https://youtu.be/AptXUZhD54E?si=4a_CyAIEyXRkTETX]
Dunno why I left this one lying around for so long, honestly. I really like this run.
It also showcases something I love about Advance 2, being much a run can change depending on your character. Siccing Cheese on enemies sounds bad since it slows you down, but it's a good enough trade instead since you'll have to either maneuver around them or slow down when hitting them anyways.
[Image: https://i.imgur.com/fcL5JxX.png]
The different trick trajectories also helps. The weird angle of Cream's lets you just go in-between this Swing Bar and Item Capsule around 45 seconds into the run. Intentionally missing out on the Swing Bar and Electric Shield and hitting the passivity-trap spring to do so is also why I like this game so much. Sometimes you gotta go weird with your routes for the fastest one.
Really, this game breaks a lot of 2D Sonic conventions. I have to instinctively stop myself from rolling down hills since you can only enter Boost Mode while running for long enough. It's quite the unique experience and weirdly reminiscent of the future Boost games. And hey, Dimps went on to develop Sonic Rush which birthed the Boost formula, so that's just the Dimps style at the time, I suppose.
I never got to play Adv2, only 3 so this is nice seeing, also it's really satisfying seeing the tricks line up esp the one you mentioning missing the Swing Bar and Item Capsule; lots of good control here this was a total treat to see! I remember ppl talking abt how insanely fast the Advance games can get and seeing this just proves it, my favourite thing abt Sonic games too is sometimes the highest/obvious route isn't the fastest sometimes it's weirdly manoeuvring between obstacles like this
I don't have much interesting to share other than I've been playing Ring Racers recently, so I've been doing Time Trials there
I could talk abt how fun this game is from a casual standpoint, since Robotnik Coaster is the only stage I feel confident enough in to TA but managing your resources and drifting gives me the same feeling I get when I play Riders so it's really funny honestly -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 05-07-2024, 06:09 PM
(05-07-2024, 05:41 PM)hooligan Wrote: I don't have much interesting to share other than I've been playing Ring Racers recently, so I've been doing Time Trials there
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTohGDCnHwE]
I could talk abt how fun this game is from a casual standpoint, since Robotnik Coaster is the only stage I feel confident enough in to TA but managing your resources and drifting gives me the same feeling I get when I play Riders so it's really funny honestly
Oh man... I'll be honest, I've kind of been putting off Ring Racers for no real reason. I kinda prefer playing games in my own time, y'know. I prefer my games well after everyone's forgotten about them. A byproduct of being obsessed with old obscure games since youth, I assume.
Though I actually play the original SRB2K a lot so it would be fun transferring my skills from that game to this brand-spanking-new racer... specially now that I have competition.
And say, new game means we have less resources for it and thus more opportunity to find stuff for ourselves... yeeeeeeeeeee...
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 05-07-2024, 06:38 PM
(05-07-2024, 06:09 PM)Tominique Wrote: Oh man... I'll be honest, I've kind of been putting off Ring Racers for no real reason. I kinda prefer playing games in my own time, y'know. I prefer my games well after everyone's forgotten about them. A byproduct of being obsessed with old obscure games since youth, I assume.
Though I actually play the original SRB2K a lot so it would be fun transferring my skills from that game to this brand-spanking-new racer... specially now that I have competition.
And say, new game means we have less resources for it and thus more opportunity to find stuff for ourselves... yeeeeeeeeeee...
I put off Ring Racers initially too since I hadn't played SRB2 or Kart and worried I would be truly out of my depth coming into this game but it's actually been quite a lot of fun on my own time since I've been avoiding twt entirely (I have heard from some ppl how loudly ppl are talking abt the game though...)
my favourite part is exactly that too! it does have it downsides in some ways, like how I need help unlocking things and can't really look anywhere for answers but learning the best ways around courses and finding strats all on my own is an experience that I've never gotten before (I've always been late to games, haha) ... it would also be nice to get the Ring Racer's thread more active too, even if it's just us sharing screenshots and stuff
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 07-22-2024, 08:10 PM
It's about time! Oh, how I missed you, Sonic Advance 2!
Taking me a little over an hour, this run made me realize something about this game...
Cream is friggin' nuts! I thought Sonic would be the dominating force in Time-Attacking for obvious reasons, but Cream's cancelable flight and massive reach on her air tricks, then throw in Cheese for some Badnik exterminating and you got yourself a cute little beast that can skip big chunks of the level or correct mistakes in platforming like Tails, but without the speed penalty that comes with the fox.
And about the run itself, Sky Canyon had always been a bit of a confusing level for me ever since I first played Advance 2, so it's cathartic finally getting a good route and just blasting through it.
Though it still came with it's frustrations. Namely...
![[Image: aDFib7T.png]](https://i.imgur.com/aDFib7T.png)
THIS FAKE WALL!!!
It comes up about a minute into the above video and oh, has it killed many a run for a supposed shortcut. This thing is sentient, I tell ya. Sentient! I haven't been able to find a single pattern for this thing to sometimes just... not let me through, and usually during a really good run.
I have tried different speeds from the ramp leading to the spring, simply running up to it, different angles and everything and I got nothing! It just decides to not let me through and ruin a run when it wants to! AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!
... Anyways, it was still fun to find a good route and slowly working up to perfecting it. Blessed be SonicRetro and their handy-dandy maps! I love this game's unique level structure, but frankly, it gets real easy to lose track of where you are on them, so it's good to have maps handy.
