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Shadow Generations: Space Colony Ark Act 1 (04'09''24)
ajazz > 10-27-2024, 07:31 AM
i thought i merely liked shadow generations but i am quickly becoming obsessed. haven't been this eager to fully commit to a sonic game like this in a very long time
apologies in advance for the horrible, horrible quality lmao - recorded straight off the steam deck. this is the first run i'm trying to really experiment with the chaos spear momentum glitch (they should really come up with a cool name for it) and it enables some pretty wild jumps that wouldn't otherwise be possible / practical -
A little time attack collection(WILL EXPAND)
BDBGaming > 10-27-2024, 08:23 AM
After playing Ring Racers a bit, I saw how I've grown a bit. So I've decided to post all my .lmp replay files here. This WILL EXPAND WITH TIME, so this IS NOT FINAL, AND PROBABLY WILL NEVER BE.
(READ!!!: You cannot watch these normally. You NEED to watch these via the game itself.
Step 1: Extract the .lmps.
Step 2: Make sure you have the game, and that you have a replays folder.
Step 3: Put said .lmp files in media/replays/online folder. Put them in the folder with he name of "v2.1", as I think it won't work unless you do. You may have to create a new folder.
Done!)
Just realized the folder size is too large. Gonna put a link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AiaJpNl...drive_link -
RE: Shadow Generations: Space Colony Ark Act 1 (04'09''24)
Tominique > 10-27-2024, 09:42 AM
(10-27-2024, 07:31 AM)ajazz Wrote: i thought i merely liked shadow generations but i am quickly becoming obsessed. haven't been this eager to fully commit to a sonic game like this in a very long time
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGmiT3Npic4]
Oh man, I've already been kinda bummed out how no way in hell my ancient tomb of a computer could handle Shadow Generations, but seeing a full level run like this is showing me how much I'm missing out! RAAAAGGHHH!!!!
Seriously though, even me not playing this game I can tell this is a good run, the use of Chaos Spear at the beginning portions was clean.
Though speaking of Time-Attacking Shaderations, there is something that kind of concerns about that, being Chaos Control also stopping the in-game timer. I've been told it can really break the Time-Attack experience because you can get shorter times by taking slower routes to charge Chaos Control and spam it as much as you can to shave off way more seconds than a shortcut could, which means it's kinda hard to get legitimate times without some kind of external tracker.
Though of course, it can be argued the focus on Chaos Control instead of shortcuts helps differentiate Shadow's gameplay from Sonic, but I would argue it's kind of anthithetical to at least the Boost style of game, though I can't say much since I can't play the game itself.
So what I'm saying is, to not just Jazz but anyone who has Shaderations, what's the thoughts on Chaos Control and tracking TA times with such an ability?
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RE: Shadow Generations: Space Colony Ark Act 1 (04'09''24)
ajazz > 10-27-2024, 12:49 PM
(10-27-2024, 09:42 AM)Tominique Wrote: Oh man, I've already been kinda bummed out how no way in hell my ancient tomb of a computer could handle Shadow Generations, but seeing a full level run like this is showing me how much I'm missing out! RAAAAGGHHH!!!!
Seriously though, even me not playing this game I can tell this is a good run, the use of Chaos Spear at the beginning portions was clean.
Though speaking of Time-Attacking Shaderations, there is something that kind of concerns about that, being Chaos Control also stopping the in-game timer. I've been told it can really break the Time-Attack experience because you can get shorter times by taking slower routes to charge Chaos Control and spam it as much as you can to shave off way more seconds than a shortcut could, which means it's kinda hard to get legitimate times without some kind of external tracker.
Though of course, it can be argued the focus on Chaos Control instead of shortcuts helps differentiate Shadow's gameplay from Sonic, but I would argue it's kind of anthithetical to at least the Boost style of game, though I can't say much since I can't play the game itself.
So what I'm saying is, to not just Jazz but anyone who has Shaderations, what's the thoughts on Chaos Control and tracking TA times with such an ability?
i'm not particularly bothered by it. it's very common for in-game timers to be inaccurate, and usually for good reason - timers stop during cutscenes, while pausing, etc. it's standard practice to list both in-game time and real-time for runs across plenty of games, and usually individual communities will decide for themselves whether to use in-game time or real time for each category.
to my mind, it makes sense that we use in-game time for individual level runs (and most action games do), because a ton of the routing in the levels revolves around the tradeoffs of using chaos control. certain routes are slower in real time but provide more chaos energy, and other routes are faster in real time but prevent you from using CC to pause the timer (or use a CC shortcut route) later on. those routing choices are interesting to me, and clearly the developers agree because they made CC pause the timer in the first place (and even built some S-rank thresholds around the expectation that you'll be using it).
in marathon or full-game runs, i imagine the community will use real-time instead, and that means the routing for the levels will be different - i think that's cool! a lot of what gives speedrunning communities longevity is having lots of different categories and ways to engage with the game. some people will grind out individual levels to a mirror shine, some people will focus on full-game runs, some others might do a combination of the two or focus on some bespoke category (no chaos control, wingless, restricted chaos spear etc.). i'm all for variety!
edit: seems like they've already decided lmao:
![[Image: 26aLF05.png]](https://i.imgur.com/26aLF05.png)
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 10-27-2024, 06:11 PM
(10-27-2024, 09:42 AM)Tominique Wrote: Oh man, I've already been kinda bummed out how no way in hell my ancient tomb of a computer could handle Shadow Generations, but seeing a full level run like this is showing me how much I'm missing out! RAAAAGGHHH!!!!
chiming in here to say, although I'm unsure of what kind of computer you have and I'm also not totally computer savvy, but my laptop struggles to run most games but shadow generation's is very optimized! I run the game on lowest settings and 30fps and didn't really experience any problems while playing and I was really surprised by that
also, it will be fun to possibly see more ppl coming into this thread to speedrun levels from shadow gens
I should consider it myself (even though I'm not very good at the game, haha)
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 10-28-2024, 10:32 AM
(10-27-2024, 12:49 PM)ajazz Wrote: i'm not particularly bothered by it. it's very common for in-game timers to be inaccurate, and usually for good reason - timers stop during cutscenes, while pausing, etc. it's standard practice to list both in-game time and real-time for runs across plenty of games, and usually individual communities will decide for themselves whether to use in-game time or real time for each category.
to my mind, it makes sense that we use in-game time for individual level runs (and most action games do), because a ton of the routing in the levels revolves around the tradeoffs of using chaos control. certain routes are slower in real time but provide more chaos energy, and other routes are faster in real time but prevent you from using CC to pause the timer (or use a CC shortcut route) later on. those routing choices are interesting to me, and clearly the developers agree because they made CC pause the timer in the first place (and even built some S-rank thresholds around the expectation that you'll be using it).
Now that you mention it, I think I was a bit hasty with my thoughts on Chaos Control. It sounds bad in a vacuum but I forget the game was kind of designed for it so... yeah, that's egg on my face. And the awesomeness of Spear-Gliding should have thrown my skepticism off the window anyways.
(10-27-2024, 06:11 PM)hooligan Wrote: chiming in here to say, although I'm unsure of what kind of computer you have and I'm also not totally computer savvy, but my laptop struggles to run most games but shadow generation's is very optimized! I run the game on lowest settings and 30fps and didn't really experience any problems while playing and I was really surprised by that
also, it will be fun to possibly see more ppl coming into this thread to speedrun levels from shadow gens [Image: https://sonicblast.org/images/smilies/e5009264.gif] I should consider it myself (even though I'm not very good at the game, haha)
Eh, I don't really like trusting my computer with stuff like this. If what I remember correctly, Shaderations is the same engine as Frontiers, and I have Frontiers, it just doesn't boot up at all. I have a friend who does knows his computers and even he gets boggled by my machine, pair that with some very confusing behavior and it's safe to say it's haunted.
Kinda just have to see which is cheaper, getting a new computer or getting an exorcist.
Still though, I'd love to see more Shaderations here given how we're still at the early phases of what you can really do in a run. Give it a few weeks and people are finding more skips with Spear-Gliding... or breaking the leaderboards with a Chaos Control countdown freeze glitch or something.
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
ajazz > 11-04-2024, 07:03 AM
(10-28-2024, 10:32 AM)Tominique Wrote: Still though, I'd love to see more Shaderations here given how we're still at the early phases of what you can really do in a run. Give it a few weeks and people are finding more skips with Spear-Gliding...
speaking of:
radical highway in this game is a real contender for best 3D zone ever - act one and act two both are some of the most open, free-flowing, and relentlessly engaging stages in the series -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 11-16-2024, 03:23 PM
I've been on Riders near daily just grinding out Rings to buy Gears at the shop, not really bothering with Time-Attacking, nor using any of the Gears I've bought.
Dunno why, but I was under the impression pretty much every Gear were just some stat changes and nothing else, which is something I never really payed any mind until I started actually equipping them and realizing how wild some of them get, and the Slide Booster has to be my favorite now.
You lose your normal boost, but in trade you get to just spam drift-boosts all you want as long as you can keep yourself steady drifting around all over the place like that and, not sure how really effective it is but I sure as heck love it either way.
So yeah, inspiration hit and I finally got another run down. There's improvements to be made on holding the jumps for too long and being a bit sloppy with the drift-boosting, but overall I'm still pretty happy with it.
