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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 03-28-2024, 11:16 PM
(03-28-2024, 11:04 PM)Tominique Wrote: Tell you what, I'm not too big a' fan of looking up speedruns of games I'm TA'ing. They're friggin' awesome and all, but also a bit demotivating. I find the fun of TA'ing being of surpassing yourself and finding your own METAs so having it in the back of your head all the optimization you could be doing kind of takes away from that.
hmm... I can understand what you mean, looking at the times and seeing that neither of us were even close was kind of upsetting in a way; but I'm still totally motivated to continue with my TA runs and hopefully improve my own times, especially since a lot of the times listed involve glitches and I only want to optimize routes and movements
(03-28-2024, 11:04 PM)Tominique Wrote: And about doing other games, I haven't even considered TA'ing ShtH... though that'd require me to actually finish that game and oh boy is it a lengthy game. I'll be getting to that. Though Heroes sounds like a really good TA as well, I haven't really played it as much as I wish I did, but I'm already routing out the levels in my head... along with hearing Tails' constant "Whee!".
I know it counts as "cheating" but I do have a completed Save File that you're more than welcome to have if you'd like to just TA stages, I mostly mentioned ShTH bcuz I spent a week completing the game for my own sake since I've never seen the game in its entirety prior to doing that... I think I mentioned in another thread, whether deleted or not, it's actually easier than you think to rush towards the Last Story of ShTH since you can just choose the neutral mission until the 3rd or 4th stage depending on the route; you still have to do The ARK missions which I think are tedious but--
it's also quite late for me so I think I'll be able to better explain the best route for the game and even assist you some w/ ShTH if you'd like at a later time, I feel like I'm just rambling at this point ahdbwjhbasdgjf;; -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
NeoMetallix > 03-29-2024, 08:41 AM
Ohhh I like this topic. We used to do contests based on time for Sonic Mania when it was fairly new. Now that we have awards, we could bring that back. -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 03-29-2024, 09:29 AM
(03-29-2024, 08:41 AM)NeoMetallix Wrote: Ohhh I like this topic. We used to do contests based on time for Sonic Mania when it was fairly new. Now that we have awards, we could bring that back.
yeah, I noticed all the TA threads for Sonic Mania, it would be fun to have general awards like "Under 50 second lap in (Track)" or "Under 1 min in (Stage)" kind of like the King of Speed Achievement in Mania; "best" track time awards will go back and forth w/ the way Tomi & I are working hard right now haha!
Thankfully Sonic Mania has online leaderboards and is a little more accessible to screenshot than say, recording a live playthrough for some ppl, but I welcome more ppl to come brag abt their Personal Best (PB) scores in any Sonic game
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 03-29-2024, 01:17 PM
decided to some TAs in Sonic Heroes today, there's a few Riders PBs I set today but I should get at least 1 record per Track before submitting newer times I'm proud of
for Sonic Heroes I always enjoyed Team Chaotix's stages, if you know where everything is then the missions are just about optimization, did a quick run of Mission 1 "Collect 10 Hermit Crabs" since I know where almost all 20 of them are (which is Mission 2) but I haven't played Heroes in so long I forgot how the game controls and had to do a few runs getting comfortable again prior to this one haha... I'll maybe do some other stages later today
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 03-29-2024, 02:43 PM
(03-29-2024, 01:17 PM)hooligan Wrote: decided to some TAs in Sonic Heroes today, there's a few Riders PBs I set today but I should get at least 1 record per Track before submitting newer times I'm proud of
for Sonic Heroes I always enjoyed Team Chaotix's stages, if you know where everything is then the missions are just about optimization, did a quick run of Mission 1 "Collect 10 Hermit Crabs" since I know where almost all 20 of them are (which is Mission 2) but I haven't played Heroes in so long I forgot how the game controls and had to do a few runs getting comfortable again prior to this one haha... I'll maybe do some other stages later today
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGhnnPeC_lg]
Huh... Chaotix were the last team I'd think about TA'ing. But alright! Switching to Heroes now!
I'm currently busy with something else right now but I'll get running as soon as I can. -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 03-29-2024, 07:50 PM
Actually, I think doing Team Chaotix's levels first is a blessing in disguise since they're usually pretty short if you know where to look. I dread doing Mystic Mansion, though.
I'm glad I finally got around to TA'ing this game. Lets you take advantage of the nuance of the controls. It seemed annoying at first how you couldn't switch leaders while in the air, but it also allows for stuff like immediately switching after doing a groundpound with Power-Type and that's super fun.
Gotta get used to that Rocket Accel on the Speed-Type, though. The timing gets surprisingly tricky when you're trying to be precise with the movement, though I know you can get crazy height off of ramps when you do it right. -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 03-29-2024, 08:15 PM
(03-29-2024, 07:50 PM)Tominique Wrote: [Video: https://youtu.be/ADp0rlJEpqs?si=IAQStnWpYyW6e_h8]
Actually, I think doing Team Chaotix's levels first is a blessing in disguise since they're usually pretty short if you know where to look. I dread doing Mystic Mansion, though.
I'm glad I finally got around to TA'ing this game. Lets you take advantage of the nuance of the controls. It seemed annoying at first how you couldn't switch leaders while in the air, but it also allows for stuff like immediately switching after doing a groundpound with Power-Type and that's super fun.
Gotta get used to that Rocket Accel on the Speed-Type, though. The timing gets surprisingly tricky when you're trying to be precise with the movement, though I know you can get crazy height off of ramps when you do it right.
Totally an improvement on my time! and really well done also
I like how much more confident your run looks like with jumps and using characters, I was getting stuck on terrain and second guessing my jumps which held my time back-- Team Rose would be fun to TA as well since their stages are incredibly short
Switching to a Speed character after a groundpound, which only Vector and Big can do, gives you a lot of speed afterwards which I see a lot of speedrunners do in their Sonic Heroes runs; and it is really satisfying. But you're right about the Rocket Accel, the timing is tricky but gives you a lot of reward if done right, Amy's is really a run killer with her Hammer Tornado if you fail to chain Rocket Accels
it's funny you mention Mystic Mansion though bcuz that's the stage I was grinding today, but bcuz I haven't played MM in so long I was having trouble finding all the torches and my runs were going over 5 mins which really adds up over multiple attemps...
I also see that you were able to get the 10th Hermit Crab without moving the stone! I also thought I needed to move it a little bit to at least somewhat touch it but the Hit Box for the Hermit Crabs is pretty generous it seems; I want to try skipping the loop at the beginning but I find the camera is my biggest enemy in this game, in Frog Forest and Hang Castle you can skip the long rail sections if you jump right but the camera doesn't really want to cooperate at times... I definitely need to play more Heroes today (was totally coding my Riders page all day sakjdngknjgf;;
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 03-30-2024, 11:41 AM
been practising this morning and I've improved my time to 1:12:13... unfortunately there's a few mistakes in this run meaning it definitely could be faster, the first hermit crab and getting to the cannon are the biggest offenders
been thinking abt trying Chaotix' Mystic Mansion again later today, but it would be more bcuz "haha I can't believe I put the time into this" more than anything, just a funny
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RE: Time/Score-Attacking
Tominique > 03-30-2024, 12:39 PM
(03-30-2024, 11:41 AM)hooligan Wrote: been practising this morning and I've improved my time to 1:12:13... unfortunately there's a few mistakes in this run meaning it definitely could be faster, the first hermit crab and getting to the cannon are the biggest offenders
been thinking abt trying Chaotix' Mystic Mansion again later today, but it would be more bcuz "haha I can't believe I put the time into this" more than anything, just a funny
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnTjp0upZCg]
DAMN! Alright, now my turn to get impressed. Specially on the Power sections, I always thought the grounded attack to be universally clunky but here it worked smoothly. And I see that I definitely need to get air-dashes out of my go-to kit. Really gotta trust those floaty jumps more often.
Now knowing a more optimal routing would have me immediately trying to beat that time, but right now I've already been hours at trying to do Team Hero Grand Metropolis and like heck I'm stopping now. -
RE: Time/Score-Attacking
hooligan > 03-30-2024, 12:58 PM
(03-30-2024, 12:39 PM)Tominique Wrote: DAMN! Alright, now my turn to get impressed. Specially on the Power sections, I always thought the grounded attack to be universally clunky but here it worked smoothly. And I see that I definitely need to get air-dashes out of my go-to kit. Really gotta trust those floaty jumps more often.
Now knowing a more optimal routing would have me immediately trying to beat that time, but right now I've already been hours at trying to do Team Hero Grand Metropolis and like heck I'm stopping now.
that's the fun part about us going back and forth w/ runs, I'm learning better routes and tech thanks to you too! there's a way to get the Power type character to slide forward a bit while doing the grounded attack, which I'm trying really hard to understand how to do that consistently bcuz then you could approach the egg pawn/blocks easier and not get caught on the ground for as long; another thing is destroying the block to get the hermit crab under it before the cannon, I wonder if there's a way to not be left airborn after destroying it from your first groundpound bcuz that could save some time too
good luck when you do decide to come back to Heroes later on your Grand Metropolis run, that's definitely a stage that would be fun to optimize
for the time being enjoy this clip I got while doing attempts of Heroes' wonderful loop physics, I wonder how long I could've went before hitting the kill plane pfffft
