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• RE: Are people being way too harsh on Sonic Team?

  NeoMetallix > 09-18-2018, 08:21 AM

  I agree that they have messed up many times but that doesn’t mean they should be fired. People come and go all the time in the business. Sonic Team isn’t the same now even when they released Mania. So it’s not like the same team has messed up over and over.
  
  As for Sega only existing for nostalgia, they have many franchises that aren’t nostalgia franchises either internally or from companies they purchased. Yakuza and Persona being some of them. Also Mania was ALL nostalgia and even the original levels ripped ideas out of the old games. I loved it but I don’t know if they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt making an all original game.

• RE: Are people being way too harsh on Sonic Team?

  MadmanRB > 09-18-2018, 12:31 PM

  Okay so i did edit my post as per request, but I still stand by my opinion that there needs to be a major shift in things.
  The thing is that Sonics teams reputation has been tarnished, and sometimes the best thing to do is have a fresh take on things.
  Its the reputation of Sonic team is why i think its best they be either disbanded or reformulated or whatever you prefer.
  perhaps rebranded as something else with a new focus and a new mission but the team itself is certainly not on my nice list.
  They have a lot to prove now, next game has to be good.
  As for lizuka i think he honestly is bad for Sonic as it is he who has all the mandates that have had the worst influence.
  Sega itself deserves a lot of the blame too, they really have had such a uneven track record as well.
  Look I understand people think of Sonic team as something that is free from criticism or harsh comments but truth is they are a company within a company.
  And when they mess up they must be held accountable like EA, Activision, WB or Ubisoft.
  Even if you liked Forces, lost world or any other harshly criticized Sonic game people are not complaining because they like to complain.
  Especially when the negative feedback has its basis in reality.
  Forces really has an issue with its overuse of the boost formula and lazy mechanics.
  Lost world was the opposite by practically putting bricks in Sonics shoes by not allowing people to run without a separate run button.
  Then you had the bad physics of Sonic 4
  Colors stuck on the Wii
  Free Riders having awful controls
  The utterly silly night levels of Unleashed
  two more Nintendo exclusives
  And the game that almost killed the franchise.
  
  Only two games for me stood out really as of late, Generations and Mania.
  Now yes both didnt feature any real original levels (mania had a few though) but the reason why both were hailed as both had great mechanics and near flawless gameplay.
  Mania especially, sure yes it relies a lot on nostalgia but as a celebration of Sonics 25th that is acceptable.
  And Mania does feel like a legitimate love letter to the classic games as opposed to something that was corporately controlled (something that generations suffers from sadly).
  The only reason why forces isnt as praised is that its mechanics are all off thanks to sega rushing a new engine and production into things, if sega would have held off for another year than perhaps forces could have been something.
  I can feel the love and dedication in mania while in forces its just forced and uninspired.

• RE: Are people being way too harsh on Sonic Team?

  Flora85 > 09-18-2018, 12:54 PM

  Those are good points and as mention on my previous post, I do feel that Sonic Team is doing a bit too much experimentation with some of the recent games. It is a hit or miss, mostly miss. And as much as I know they are doing these experimentation partially because they fear that they don't want to repeat the same mechanics over and over again, it most of time backfires on them more than benefiting them.
  
  Again, there are games that COULD'VE been good if they either take their time they need to complete it, like Sonic 06, Sonic Boom, Sonic Free Riders and so forth. Alas, the controls were extremely wonky and just left with a frustrating feeling of not being able to enjoy the game. For those that do like the games despite the rates they get, more power to you!
  
  In the case of Sonic Forces, they do miss plenty of opportunities with the story and the gameplay. It isn't a terrible game for sure. However, aside from the character avatar mechanic, which is a great and unique feature after the Sonic fanbase is known to like to create their OCs, it is mediocre. I really wish they can either add more to the Sonic and OCs levels and not forcing Classic Sonic in the game. I personally am okay with the game. And again, for those that enjoyed the game, good for you! But wish they can improve from it.
  
  But overall, at the same time, we must keep a balance of how we express our likes and dislikes on games and not to bash others about liking the bad Sonic games. It is ok to like or dislike something so as long as you don't shove it down on people's throats about it. And to give our honest but reasonable criticism to Sonic Team and SEGA as they are releasing games. Because overpraising them or being childish about it won't go very far.

• RE: Are people being way too harsh on Sonic Team?

  MadmanRB > 09-18-2018, 01:05 PM

  Well I certainly wasnt insulting people for liking the games though i think Sega and Sonic team are certainly full of... well lets say not so smart people if i really must be politically correct.
  
  But I dont see companies as people, I see companies as companies.
  To call a company stupid or moronic is not calling a individual moronic (though i think certain members of Sonic team and Sega do qualify for the title especially Lizuka for some of the things he has pulled like the two worlds nonsense and the whole no Ray or Mighty in the IDW comic crap.)

• RE: Are people being way too harsh on Sonic Team?

  Count Drakupo > 09-18-2018, 03:43 PM

  Personally, I think we don't scrutinize and criticize the middle management as much as we should, compared to the heads of the company or what have you. I mean, it's not like the developers of Sonic Team are given 100% autonomy on these projects; in fact, I'd assume they're even more heavily supervised than most projects due to being Sega's flagship franchise, for good or ill. But yeah, I'm pretty much certain that the developers don't pick their own portions of the project or set their own deadlines. I'm more focused on the folks in charge of that.
  
  In short, the people with the most blame heaped on them are paradoxically the least involved.
  
  Also, Madman? I disagree with "calling a company stupid is not the same as calling an individual stupid": personally I see it as calling out the leadership of said company; which I still see as legitimate.
  Someone's got to be making those dumb decisions. Oftentimes several someones.

• RE: Are people being way too harsh on Sonic Team?

  MadmanRB > 09-18-2018, 04:33 PM

  Even so I'm not afraid to call the leaders of Sega and Sonic team idiots especially when they act that way especially Lizuka. It's no different than calling a politician an idiot especially when they don't represent you

• RE: Are people being way too harsh on Sonic Team?

  Count Drakupo > 09-18-2018, 04:49 PM

  And I said. It's certainly legitimate to criticize the leadership of the company. But my take boils down to this: They are not as involved in the mistakes as you believe.
  
  Also: corporate leadership is not meant to represent you, not unless you own stock in the company.

• RE: Are people being way too harsh on Sonic Team?

  Zamau > 09-25-2018, 09:25 AM

  I think sometimes people can be harsh on Sonic Team, it's like they're expecting too much from a new game that is released. Like Sonic Forces, although the only problem I have with it, is the boost can glitch out and cause Sonic to stop, that happened in the Luminous Forest stage. Other than that I think Sonic Forces is a great game. But it seems like many fans of the franchise want the 3D games to return to as they were with the Sonic Adventure games. But both of the games were different, they were both called Sonic Adventure, but one game had six different characters to play as including Super Sonic, and the other had two stories to play through along with the final story. And still most of the fans will want a Sonic Adventure 3, there is already a game like that, but it's called Sonic Heroes.
  
  Sonic Unleashed is another game that was disliked I think it was because of the werehog, and at first I didn't like it too. But the daytime stages were awesome and eventually I got used to the werehog stages. Sonic Unleashed is another good game, but I have never completed yet. I think it's better than the Adventure games, it has better gameplay and the music wasn't too loud during the cutscenes, so you could hear the characters.
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