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Chinese Incursion into India; As if all the current high tensions were not enough.
Topic Started: May 2 2013, 11:00 AM (197 Views)
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Chinese incursion leaves India on verge of crisis


NEW DELHI — The platoon of Chinese soldiers slipped across the boundary into India in the middle of the night, according to Indian officials. They were ferried across the bitterly cold moonscape in Chinese army vehicles, then got out to traverse a dry creek bed with a helicopter hovering overhead for protection.

They finally reached their destination and pitched a tent in the barren Depsang Valley in the Ladakh region, a symbolic claim of sovereignty deep inside Indian-held territory. So stealthy was the operation that India did not discover the incursion until a day later, Indian officials said.

China denies any incursion, but Indian officials say that for two weeks, the soldiers have refused to move back over the so-called Line of Actual Control that divides Indian-ruled territory from Chinese-run land, leaving the government on the verge of a crisis with its powerful northeastern neighbor.

Indian officials fear that if they react with force, the faceoff could escalate into a battle with the feared People's Liberation Army. But doing nothing would leave a Chinese outpost deep in territory India has ruled since independence.

"If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said Sujit Dutta, a China specialist at the Jamia Milia Islamia university in New Delhi.

"Clearly, the Chinese are testing India to see how far they can go," he said.

That is not China's stated view.

"China strictly complies with the treaty and documents on maintaining peace and stability in the border region between India and China," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said last week.

"The Chinese patrol troops did not go across the Line of Actual Control, not by even one step," she said.

Local army commanders from both sides have held three meetings over the crisis, according to Indian officials. India's foreign secretary called in the Chinese ambassador to register a strong protest. Yet the troops did not move, and even pitched a second tent, Indian officials said.

The timing of the crisis, weeks before Chinese Premier Li Keqiang is to visit India, has surprised many here. The Chinese leader's decision to make India his first trip abroad since taking office two months ago had been seen as an important gesture toward strengthening ties between rival powers that have longstanding border disputes but also growing trade relations.

Manoj Joshi, a defense analyst at the New Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, said the timing of the incursion raises questions about "whether there is infighting within the Chinese leadership, or whether someone is trying to upstage Li."

India's External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid said Wednesday that while he had no plans to cancel a trip to Beijing next week to prepare for Li's visit, the government could reconsider in the coming week.

"A week is a long time in politics," he told reporters.

Indian politicians accused the scandal-plagued government of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of floundering in fear before China.

"China realizes that India has a weak government, and a prime minister who is powerless," said Yashwant Sinha, a former foreign minister from the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party.

He demanded a stronger response. "A bully will back off the moment it realizes that it's dealing with a country which will not submit to its will," Sinha said.

Former Defense Minister Mulayam Singh Yadav called the government "cowardly and incompetent." He warned that China was trying to annex more territory to add to the spoils it took following its victory over India in a brief 1962 border war.

Defense Minister A.K. Antony countered that India is "united in its commitment to take every possible step to safeguard our interests."

Supporters of the right-wing Shiv Sena Party burned effigies of Singh, Antony and other top officials Wednesday, demanding India retaliate by barring Chinese imports.

China is India's biggest trading partner, with bilateral trade, heavily skewed in China's favor, crossing $75 billion in 2011.

Analysts feel linking a troop withdrawal to continued trade could work.

"The Chinese have to learn that such aggression cannot be delinked from trade," said Dutta.

Though the two countries have held 15 rounds of talks, their border disputes remain unresolved. India says China is occupying 15,000 square miles in the Aksai Chin plateau in the western Himalayas, while China claims around 35,000 square miles in India's northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh.

Analysts said they were baffled by Beijing's motives, since its actions could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States.

"The Chinese for some reason don't seem able to see that," said Joshi.

China's aggressive posture could also force India to accelerate its own military modernization program, analysts said.

The standoff may eventually be resolved diplomatically, "but what it really shows is the PLA's contempt for our military capability," former Indian navy chief Sushil Kumar wrote in The Indian Express newspaper.

It could also push the government to agree to the army's longstanding demand to create its own strike corps on the border.

"By needling the Indians, they are helping us to accelerate our modernization," Joshi said.



We have North Korea threatening to attack the South, Israel wanting us to attack Iran(And us willing to stand up to them), and now talk of intervening in Syrias civil war. Now we have Chinese invading Indian territory.

Well, to a degree. The area, based on the maps I looked at(And point out if I'm wrong since I looked this up on google images and such) is a land in Kashimir, which is a contested territory between India and Pakistan. China also has claims in it too.

The fact they are willing to use military so readily to solve their territoral disputes shows that the Chinese are not afraid to use their military.

What do you think of this situation going on in the world, with the possibility of war for the US and the fact it seems that Asia itself is becoming more and more a area of conflict.
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Someone needs to make the joke: one of these politicians is going to again fall for that most well-known of the classic blunders: "Never start a land war in Asia."

In all seriousness, I figured that the Middle East wasn't the only tense part of the continent. Just figured India and China were far better at hiding it.
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When your army looks like a giant wave of humanity consuming the earth for as far as the eye can see.. I wouldn't be afraid to use it if I had to. xD

That being said, Yeah.. that whole area of the world is a complete mess.
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When your army looks like a giant wave of humanity consuming the earth for as far as the eye can see.. I wouldn't be afraid to use it if I had to. xD

That being said, Yeah.. that whole area of the world is a complete mess.
In this day and age though, it's not as crazy as it was before modern technology. Having a bunch of people in one place is a good way to take massive amounts of them out.
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Well, to a degree. The area, based on the maps I looked at(And point out if I'm wrong since I looked this up on google images and such) is a land in Kashimir, which is a contested territory between India and Pakistan. China also has claims in it too.

I remember reading that that area is as tense as the DMZ between North and South Korea. Trenches, mines, razor wire and troops with guns constantly trained on each other, just waiting for someone to fire a shot.

Why would China move into that!? It's like stepping into a hole full of porcupines!

BTW, anyone ever reach Shadow of the Hegemond by Orson Scott Card? (this comment is actually somewhat on-topic)
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When your army looks like a giant wave of humanity consuming the earth for as far as the eye can see.. I wouldn't be afraid to use it if I had to. xD

That being said, Yeah.. that whole area of the world is a complete mess.
In this day and age though, it's not as crazy as it was before modern technology. Having a bunch of people in one place is a good way to take massive amounts of them out.
If you use a giant mass of ground troops to power your way into enemy territory it isn't as easy as just blowing them all up. Lets say China assembles a bunch of troops or something, if they are noticed it could be called a military exercise, and without aggression no one could prove otherwise. If they aren't noticed they could just start sending in the tidal wave, and once it reaches places occupied by YOUR OWN people it becomes much harder than just blowing up them with your own people.

And we have to realize that both sides have similar technology, they could both bomb the hell out of each other and I think each side would have some basic anti-air style counter-weapons to missiles and such, nothing with the sophistication or accuracy of the US, but the tech has been out there for so long for other countries to start working on it on their own that I wouldn't be surprised.

Lastly, I think they could even run out of firepower before they could kill even half of China's probable ground troops. The USSR overwhelmed enemies in WWII with raw numbers and firepower, granted all of the army wasn't armed but that wasn't important to Stalin or the military leaders who were following clear and cruel orders "throw yourselves at the enemy until they have no bullets to throw back" if there is any force on the planet that can match or beat that suicidal tactic, it is "Rolling Thunder" itself.. the Chinese population is endless, even compared to India, and to leaders that use all of their people like pawns, they feel like they have pieces everywhere on the chess board at all times, your King is screwed.
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