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Topic Started: Mar 28 2013, 01:55 PM (2,084 Views)
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I really wish people would stop bringing up the whole 'we've already discussed this topic before' shit.


Okay, yesterday, I had a conversation about theme parks with someone. I've talked about theme parks more than once in my life before that instance. Through life, you're going to have basic topics of conversation that repeat themselves. That's what happens. The trick is finding a way to breath new life into these topics. I mean, we have totally different members than we did a few years ago that could help to just that and bounce discussion off of.
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Mar 29 2013, 03:21 PM


EDIT: Also, it may help to start advertising again, so we can get some fresh blood in here who actually care to discuss and comment on things.
That might be what it needs to boil down to. I don't go anywhere as much as here but the places I do, I make sure to advertise this place! I'd advise everyone else to do so as well.

Also I ask everyone to not resort to cursing, it doesn't bode well in debates.
Edited by Neo Metallix, Mar 29 2013, 03:30 PM.
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Mar 29 2013, 03:10 PM
Know how you feel. Some of you argue to post more art and projects, the problem is we do. But nobody often comments in them. In my case, I post stories and even attempt to advertise it in order to draw activity via my signature(And ironically, sometimes in the Shack), but only shapeshiftress is kind enough to actually take the time and comment. Only further proves it's just overall lack of interest in the members.

Anyway, suggestion time! I'll gladly make topics adding to the game sections and see if there's anything I can do to spice things up if you guys have any specific plans.
As of late, I've been drawing my attention elsewhere as because of my non Sonic related characters, etc rarely receives much attention unless I poke my friends constantly.
What I'm saying more people probably expects a comment, but aren't doing enough on their own.

Though I believe much of this thread's slowly been sidetracked.
I'm leaving it to the one's in charge to choose whether the shack's meant to stay or not. I'd say get rid of it. Those who won't stay due to this, as Bliz said, aren't here for the forum, but to attend in the Shack, exclusively.
Edited by DragonFlame, Mar 29 2013, 03:32 PM.
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Mar 29 2013, 03:20 PM
That's the hard part Bliz. It's not easy to get people interested in a topic. In fact, it's much easier said than done. If one is lucky, they'll get about a pages worth, but usually it doesn't reach that much. Another issue is that the topics that I usually find interest in are months old. Bumping topics aren't really allowed, so it prevents me in posting in those topics. The recent topics are also pretty interesting, but I've already posted in most of them. Also with topics, how do I make a topic that someone hasn't already mentioned many times before?
I'm not making the argument that getting people interested in discussion is easy. Rather, I'm refuting this weird idea that- because Sega hasn't announced a boxed title- there's absolutely nothing to talk about in regards to Sonic. It's ludicrous; even if we ignore SSMB, which is privy to the same news drought we are but still has a healthy discussion atmosphere regarding Sonic, I've already shot this thread a ton of topic ideas alone that I guarantee you have not been done to such excruciating detail as to be old hat. My art topic ideas alone haven't really been done before.

To make a topic that someone hasn't already mentioned before, just ask a question or make an observation about something that hasn't been discussed before, and discuss it eloquently. Talk about the linearity of Modern Sonic games. Get a debate going about whether Unleashed or Colors is better. Talk about how the Master Emerald is impacting Knuckles' appearances and characterization. And this is just Sonic itself. I'm not touching upon the near-infinite number of ideas and discussion points concerning any number of other topics like entertainment, politics, religion, or culture.

There is never nothing to talk about. Something is always out there; it's just a matter of whether or not you bother saying something about it.
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Mar 29 2013, 03:31 PM
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Mar 29 2013, 03:20 PM
That's the hard part Bliz. It's not easy to get people interested in a topic. In fact, it's much easier said than done. If one is lucky, they'll get about a pages worth, but usually it doesn't reach that much. Another issue is that the topics that I usually find interest in are months old. Bumping topics aren't really allowed, so it prevents me in posting in those topics. The recent topics are also pretty interesting, but I've already posted in most of them. Also with topics, how do I make a topic that someone hasn't already mentioned many times before?
I'm not making the argument that getting people interested in discussion is easy. Rather, I'm refuting this weird idea that- because Sega hasn't announced a boxed title- there's absolutely nothing to talk about in regards to Sonic. It's ludicrous; even if we ignore SSMB, which is privy to the same news drought we are but still has a healthy discussion atmosphere regarding Sonic, I've already shot this thread a ton of topic ideas alone that I guarantee you have not been done to such excruciating detail as to be old hat. My art topic ideas alone haven't really been done before.

To make a topic that someone hasn't already mentioned before, just ask a question or make an observation about something that hasn't been discussed before, and discuss it eloquently. Talk about the linearity of Modern Sonic games. Get a debate going about whether Unleashed or Colors is better. Talk about how the Master Emerald is impacting Knuckles' appearances and characterization. And this is just Sonic itself. I'm not touching upon the near-infinite number of ideas and discussion points concerning any number of other topics like entertainment, politics, religion, or culture.

There is never nothing to talk about. Something is always out there; it's just a matter of whether or not you bother saying something about it.
You make a great number of points and I agree. I'll try to come up with Sonic related topics that people will find interesting enough to discuss. It may be hard at first, but it's worth a shot.
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Mar 29 2013, 03:21 PM
The proof you're asking for Fenroar- and in fact the proof for any idea that the Shack is benign, something I feel is bullshit- is pretty impossible to determine without actually polling a large sample size on whether or not they would bother with the rest of SB if the Shack and Casino were gone. However, I would argue that the amount of posts and activity conjured in the Casino alone compared to every other forum combined- as well as the fact that we actually lost people who admitted to only giving a shit about The Shack and nothing else here- speaks more to the idea that a great deal of people only devoted time to The Shack versus other areas, thus the forum hasn't really been properly used as a forum to its greatest potential. I see very little in the grand scheme of things suggesting The Shack is completely benign in sucking forum activity away from other areas- again, people admitted to this themselves, and then some of them left. How dandy.

(Tangent: There's a stats area in the ACP showing the forum's posting habits; now I'm quite curious just to see how much of the forum is consolidated in the Casino.)

People also agree that it's not the only issue (hence why I'm not sure why The Shack was even brought up again): we've just said that there are inherent problems with the way topics are done which subsequently doesn't draw people into responding. We're also debating how to fix some of those ideas. In light of that particular turn the topic has taken, do you actually have any ideas of your own?

EDIT: Also, it may help to start advertising again, so we can get some fresh blood in here who actually care to discuss and comment on things.
Because like I said, casual discussions and idle chit chat are y'know nowhere near as hard making said art, sprite, et cetera projects. Of course the casino section would draw more activity, because it's meant for fun and games, not work and effort while also dealing with IRL stuff. Also, the Casino Section isn't as active as you think. There's not a whole lot of other active games in there(Games like the Last to Post wins though should be removed, as I noted). I was about to go check the section again, but it seems it was just removed or disappeared from members' sight or whatever.

Also, your claim that the casino beats all the other forums combined doesn't necessarily mean the Shack is actually at fault... like it's more then half of the Casino's posts, but since we both established it's at least not the overall problem, I guess it doesn't matter. But I suggest to not bother bring people who left the forum into this because of said reason. I can counter back and simply say I know several people who left the forum for other reasons. But regarding the people who said they only cared for the Shack and left because it was the only reason they stuck around, well, that's the lack of interest in the forum as whole, not necessarily the Shack's fault. Let's say I don't like the internet that much or I got bored of it, but I still go on to just talk with people. It's kinda the same thing.

In a way, all forums have a Shack. For another forum I go to, it was the Express your Emotions thread. It's nothing more then an idle chit chat thread really, just that we gave it a name.

Also, I hope you're not regarding me as somebody not willing to discuss and comment, because I am. Or at least, I'm trying. I'm doing RPs, my said story(working on a chapter now if that's relevant), and posting in random sections. I'll happily post more threads in sections like the gaming, entertainment, et cetera threads in order to help out and contribute, as well as advertising. I'll be honest though, I don't know much suggestions beyond that.
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Mar 29 2013, 03:45 PM
I've started advertising in places that I normally wouldn't. Just typed in, "forum promotion" and found a plethora of advertising sites.
Speaking of that, there was this site my friend used to talk about a lot. It was where he'd go to promote his forum. If you ask me, it was pretty efficient. I think it is called the same thing (forum promotion that is). It works on a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of system. But don't be put off by that, it can really help increase your memberbase since all the other members there are willing to help, just as much as they would appreciate help.
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@ Fenroar: I don't see what actual art and projects have to do with anything. Those aren't the only things to do on a forum; discussion is the main point of a forum and thus the context I'm arguing under.

Also, my argument is not "The only reason people have left is because of us killing The Shack." My argument is that The Shack has had a hand in drawing interest away from other forums- as we can see in the amount of posts it has accumulated over time (the actual rate of accumulation is irrelevant to the end result and thus my point), to the point that some people only came here because of it and nothing else. If you at least agree with this, then my argument still stands.

And I'm not regarding you as someone not willing to fix the problem; I just find it odd that when people started actually talking about how topics are done in this thread, you came in and started up conversation about The Shack again instead of contributing directly to the the particular point that everyone here actually agrees with you on. =/
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Blargh, I think I just saw a post and overreacted then.

Apologies. I'll admit my mistake. Disregard me...~

Anyway, my ideas for more activity are shot at the moment, but I'll help out, or at least advertise, if anything's needed.
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I'd advertise more but I'm not exactly found anywhere but here. This is one of only to forums I go two and the other one seems to have a real aversion to the blue hedgehog.

As for the "There's always something to discuss" thing, I can't help but think this mostly applies to the Sonic Historians/Philosophers among us. Sonic's world is a fairly simple one so it's not like there's all that much to think about. The deepest I've thought about it is where exactly Generations slots in for Classic Sonic (which I believe I discussed back when the game came out).

Not everyone thinks that deeply about the world Sonic inhabits. Some of us just like playing the games and going fast. And that's all we'll ever need.

By the sounds of things SSMB has more of these deep thinkers than we do, and that's good for them. But we're not SSMB. We can only work with what we've got, and it's not like we'll get any of them over here since they're comfortable with their current forum of choice. -shrug-
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Mar 29 2013, 04:22 PM
Not everyone thinks that deeply about the world Sonic inhabits. Some of us just like playing the games and going fast. And that's all we'll ever need.
While that may be so, there are still those (such as myself) that do like to get into big discussions regarding the series. I can write a several paragraph-long insight just on how good Sonic's characterization was in Black Knight, for instance. ;P (I think I actually did that now that I think about it)
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I don't think you have to read too much into Sonic's actual canon to talk about the art, or wonder if Knuckles is a bad character or not, or heck, even wonder if the gameplay can be better or use an idea from x franchise. We're not making a university level dissertation to actually bother discussing these things. :/
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Mar 29 2013, 04:32 PM
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Not everyone thinks that deeply about the world Sonic inhabits. Some of us just like playing the games and going fast. And that's all we'll ever need.
While that may be so, there are still those (such as myself) that do like to get into big discussions regarding the series. I can write a several paragraph-long insight just on how good Sonic's characterization was in Black Knight, for instance. ;P (I think I actually did that now that I think about it)
You did. You've also done at least three monologues on Sonic's characterization in Sonic Unleased which have actually raised my opinion of the game vastly. xD;

But yeah, I enjoy discussing plot and lore myself. Sonic's lore is a bit of a mess in some respects, but this actually adds to the discussion possibilities. Trying to work out how the chronology works can be very interesting, especially when considering the fact that Sonic Battle is considered canon to the main plot, and the whole plethora of difficulties that come with accurately finding a place for it in the timeline.
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Mar 29 2013, 04:35 PM
I don't think you have to read too much into Sonic's actual canon to talk about the art, or wonder if Knuckles is a bad character or not, or heck, even wonder if the gameplay can be better or use an idea from x franchise. We're not making a university level dissertation to actually bother discussing these things. :/
That too. The franchise is not as simple as people make it out to be.
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Mar 29 2013, 04:37 PM
You did. You've also done at least three monologues on Sonic's characterization in Sonic Unleased which have actually raised my opinion of the game vastly. xD;
What can I say? I love pretty much everything about that game, not just how Sonic is characterized. ;)

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