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Who want to see Shack gone?
Hail Shack	6 (46.2%)
Remove Shack	3 (23.1%)
Include serious chat box (Paid version)	2 (15.4%)
If Shack is terminated I'm leaving.	2 (15.4%)
Total Votes: 13

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Lord DragonFlame	Mar 28 2013, 01:55 PM Post #1
Christmas is back again Posts: 17,411 Group: Former Monarchs Member #348 Joined: December 9, 2006 Gender: Male Steam ID: Warzak85DF	I know this won't solve anything, because I wan't to see how fair the Shack do under a Poll. Seriously I know folks who love the Shack and can't stand firm here without it. So naturally I ask, are you here for the shack or the forum? It's a slow consumption that may take potentially a few years to occur, but want a lasting forum to stay in the books of legendary active places, things has to stop. I want to leave because of this entirely and I know a friend of mine at least who values it to be true. Not mentioning any names, as it's not relevant. Note why I mentioned title of topic, is due to that I doubt anything I'm saying will change matters at hand, but I would actually be willing to add a few coins for a real chat box, to this forum alone, because as you've already seen my stupid announcement of returning, I do care for this forum. Because it's been like my secondary home as long I showed up here in 2006. Okay, now you can persuade me all you want why the shack's so much better, but I'm literally fed out with it's existence. Also what did it actually helped by removing video links, Neo? Not much, it's still the most active place on the whole forum. So that enormous post count that each member has cumulative added to this forum, comes through that topic alone. I love this forum, and I will stand firm with my stance on this, so if you ain't looking to hear such, just ban me. Because that's the only way you'd ever get rid of complainers such as me, that things need to be changed. (Please don't do) But yeah, I'm just interested to hear or see what people do think..... Again! We've done this before... But just want it to be changed. Last note, if anyone would come to pass, ignoring what I said, I am willing to splice up a few dollars to get one of those chat boxes were you won't have to constantly reload page.
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Lord Pianta	Mar 28 2013, 02:28 PM Post #2
Il Piantissimo Posts: 3,320 Group: Former Monarchs Member #9,741 Joined: February 7, 2009 Gender: Male Nintendo ID: Piantab	We've had this discussion many times before and it concluded that everyone just wanted the Shack, a place where everyone can have a light hearted discussion without having to make a topic for it - which is understandable. Though it shouldn't have to be a spamfest, and we've reduced that as of now. As much as possible, methinks. General discussion is necessary for a forum to make a community feel closer, if they can just casually speak to each other. A shoutbox didn't work out because it's small and you lose track of the messages easily, plus you couldn't post any videos or images. I doubt it will be any different this time... If we did want to use a chatbox, what difference would it make, anyway? We could just use the Shack, still. Serves the same purpouse and is less cluttered. That being said I don't really use the Shack much anymore, so I don't mind what happens to it. Most of the die hard Shacketeers left already because the last Shack being closed down.
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Deleted User	Mar 28 2013, 02:59 PM Post #3
Deleted User	I only come here for the Shack, this place is dull without it. :V And even THAT is dull nowadays. Without it I'd be outta here faster than you can say 'sanic'.
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Kitm	Mar 28 2013, 03:06 PM Post #4
Lava Reef Act 1 Posts: 2,977 Group: =SB= Governors Member #1,073 Joined: May 18, 2007 Gender: Male Country: Canada Game Currently Playing: Destiny	A lot of the Shack regulars have migrated to Skype for their dosage of general chat, so removing it wouldn't kill the place too much; it's been rather slow of late. But at the same time, it's not detracting activity from the rest of the forum. It wouldn't make much of an impact if it were here or not, but fairly regular traffic might become less regular.



*ShiningStar*	Mar 28 2013, 03:10 PM Post #5
Mushroom Hill Act 2 Posts: 525 Group: B Rank Knight Member #13,301 Joined: October 25, 2012	I agree with your third option Warzak. If Neo decides to get rid of the Shack, there should be something to replace it. It helps to generate a lot of activity. A chat box would be quite nice, but I remember there being a topic that said that there would never be a chat box because the Shack already fills that role. But if you ask me, it's not doing a pretty good job at that. A chat box with an automatic refresh, would be quicker and much more convenient. Although many people argue against it, it would be a great idea to at least give a trial implementation of. Just to see how it works and how it will affect the forum as a whole. The Shack is fine for me, but a chat box will give even more people a reason to stay, and a reason to come back. Also, it should be a 'one-or-the other' type of thing. Implementing both will only cause disorganization, and choosing to get rid of the Shack and not implement a chat box replacement, will cause activity to plummet. And let's be honest here, we could use the extra boost of activity.
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Wallace	Mar 28 2013, 03:14 PM Post #6
Break out the L-word. The other L-word. Posts: 1,889 Group: S Rank Hero Member #11,873 Joined: February 24, 2011	Pianta Mar 28 2013, 02:28 PM That being said I don't really use the Shack much anymore, so I don't mind what happens to it. Most of the die hard Shacketeers left already because the last Shack being closed down. This quote pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter. The way I see it is that people who saw the Shack as detrimental to board activity in the first place were the ones who led to its current state of lameness. All the talk of demolishing that fine establishment (back when it was great, not now in its disrepair) angered quite a few of its regulars, who were in general a bunch of veterans who were very prominent characters here. Some left; some threatened to; others fought tooth and claw for it to remain. I was one of these. I ultimately left due to a variety of reasons, and upon my return, the Shack -- as we knew and loved it -- was no more. It's been very well proven that the board loves the Shack, aside from those who would prefer to sacrifice quality to quantity. Those would ask me, "But isn't the never-ending one-line drivel of that place the very definition of throwing Quality on Quantity's altar?" While this may seem the case on the surface, it really is not so. The quality of any board, in my opinion, is not determined by individual posts, but by the overall quality of its community. The Shack brought the members together in a very easy way. There were its regulars who haunted their favourite corners of the Shack, who then made it seem inviting to the newbies, who were soon and kindly integrated into the community. The Shack, though its opposers loathe the fact, was the heart of the board's activity and population from which every vein, artery and capillary spread out. If you stop the heart, things will change. The spark of life in each cell will die, and they will slink away to rot. The flow of blood will stop. This, to my mind, is what has happened and continues to happen to this forum. It's a process I feel invested in, however, so here I am, watching as if an intrigued observer of the death throes of some new, unfamiliar disease -- though its cause and source I have almost entirely identified. I cannot vote in this poll, because my opinion is not represented by any of the options. I'm here to watch the flame finish flickering away. Put the poor thing out of its misery with a bucket of water, if you'd like; or let it burn to ashes until no heat is left but Siberian snow. Either way, the way I see it, this forum as it once was is done for. Too many active members only enjoyed being here because of the Shack, and now that it might as well already be gone, my prognosis is not hopeful.
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Fenroar	Mar 28 2013, 03:14 PM Post #7
Perfectionist Posts: 3,036 Group: E Rank Legend Member #9,478 Joined: November 2, 2008 Gender: Male 3DS Friend Code: 1504-6189-5960	^Pretty much what Ktim said. That said, I'm saddened that it's your reason for leaving, Warzak. Would a chat box really fix all your worries though? I'm confused. Both still serve the same purpose, with the chat box being a more limited version. I have grown too busy as of lately to use the Shack, but I do like it. Nothing I have against it. Warzak So that enormous post count that each member has cumulative added to this forum, comes through that topic alone. Wait, what do you mean by this? The party section doesn't increase a person's post count. I still think you're overexaggerating here. Ever since the reboot, the topic hasn't been that active as you're claiming it to be. The reboot did its purpose well. Also, the forum is still decently active. Kinda hard to update other sections when there has been no news of a Sonic game in a while. Removing the Shack I don't believe is 'the heart' of the forum and will lead it to its death.



[Mika] Gumi	Mar 28 2013, 03:44 PM Post #8
Sandopolis Act 2 Posts: 2,338 Group: S Rank Hero Member #13,165 Joined: July 28, 2012 Gender: Female Game Currently Playing: Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag	Huh. See, I lack the Shack because it's different from other forums that do have shout boxes. If I'm gone for a golf trip, I can come back and amuse myself by reading what happened while I was gone. It's hard to do that with a shout box. Still, I don't think it's the heart of the forum. Maybe we need to spice things up, such as with more people commenting on other people's stories (they deserve it, guys!) and doing fun, interactive things as a community. It saddens me that the Shack is your reason for wanting to leave, Warzak. = ( Could you possibly PM me and tell me why?
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Lord DragonFlame	Mar 28 2013, 04:02 PM Post #9
Christmas is back again Posts: 17,411 Group: Former Monarchs Member #348 Joined: December 9, 2006 Gender: Male Steam ID: Warzak85DF	Fenroar Wait, what do you mean by this? The party section doesn't increase a person's post count. I meant through the statistics, but I could be wrong, never checked whether it affects or not. But as far I can tell, it's no use. I'm respecting everyone's opinion, so I aren't exactly looking to argue in any regards, seen as it's probably true. If shack is removed. The forum can ultimately just close down, because even what frail activity it may offer, or Neo's spontaneously effort in proving nether one of us wrong, I can only say. Bravo Ktim, it's bout the same feeling I have. Though what effort we've spent on chat box's before has always been the free serviced ones. It's the exact same like the shack. So no wonder why it's been chosen above. I mean, were more leaning toward were an professional chat, were everything would stream naturally without having to reload page constantly. Again, just a poor effort, because everyone who sticks to the shack the majority of time when visiting will of course hail the shack, those who aren't, are just waiting for when this community comes to a close. Quote: That said, I'm saddened that it's your reason for leaving, Warzak. Would a chat box really fix all your worries though? I'm confused. Both still serve the same purpose, with the chat box being a more limited version. More or less I was bored ~~shitless~~ of the forum, not out of the concern whether anything happens in the shack or not. There ain't nothing here that would keep any new member. Of course there are expectations, but yeah getting my point. And I doubt there's anything more to be said. If there are, well speak your mind, else just close it.
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Fenroar	Mar 28 2013, 04:16 PM Post #10
Perfectionist Posts: 3,036 Group: E Rank Legend Member #9,478 Joined: November 2, 2008 Gender: Male 3DS Friend Code: 1504-6189-5960	Well, not sure what else to say. Not trying to pick an argument either. Don't think the removal would lead to the forum's death. I will say this though; if some are willing to get a paid version of the chat box then by all means, I'm open to trying it(I never actually tried whatever chat box we had btw). I really don't think removing the Shack will lead to the forum's death. They are other party topics more active actually. Overall, I think the message was made clear with the reboot, assuming staff monitors it as always. But we could try to be like other normal forums and use a chatbox, remove the Shack from our memories. It just won't make a difference.



[Mika] Gumi	Mar 28 2013, 04:17 PM Post #11
Sandopolis Act 2 Posts: 2,338 Group: S Rank Hero Member #13,165 Joined: July 28, 2012 Gender: Female Game Currently Playing: Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag	Maybe we could close and lock the Shack as an experiment. It doesn't need to be deleted from our memories. It hold memories and quirky day-to-day occurrences of past members. = /
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*ShiningStar*	Mar 28 2013, 04:27 PM Post #12
Mushroom Hill Act 2 Posts: 525 Group: B Rank Knight Member #13,301 Joined: October 25, 2012	Shapeshiftress Mar 28 2013, 04:17 PM Maybe we could close and lock the Shack as an experiment. It doesn't need to be deleted from our memories. It hold memories and quirky day-to-day occurrences of past members. = / *We could try that, but I don't think we'd see much of a change. Like others have said, the Shack isn't as active as it used to be. More people tend to post in the RP section of the forum.*
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YamiShadow	Mar 28 2013, 05:07 PM Post #13
Flying Battery Act 1 Posts: 918 Group: C Rank Hero Member #12,994 Joined: May 25, 2012 Gender: Male Country: Canada Game Currently Playing: Final Fantasy X HD	I will try to be brief with my view on the situation. What this boils down to is two things, to my eyes. First, we need the Shack, because random chatter really does tie the community together a bit better. If all we were to discuss on here were Sonic, at this moment we'd be pretty close to a dead forum, simply because we're in a total lack of news regarding future installments to the series. That we have a place for random chatter means we can remain a community and make friends even when the central thing that has brought us here is in a state of neglect. Second, a chatbox, while it would serve the same purpose as the Shack, would ultimately be the worse option of the two. One reason for this is, as Elly has pointed out, it's much easier to catch up on things with a thread than with a chatbox. Another reason would be that a forum post has more options available for it than a chatbox message, which means that videos and images may be directly included. But perhaps the most important thing that the Shack has over a chatbox, in my opinion, is that it's much easier to keep a thread under control than it is to keep a chatbox under control. I have heard it said that chatboxes are a haven for drama, and I do believe this to be the case. With a thread, it's much easier to catch drama early on and keep people civil. A chatbox would literally cause more harm than help for the forum. The Shack honestly offers all of the benefits that a chatbox might, while at the same time minimizing on the possible hindrances that a chatbox would also present. Edited by YamiShadow, Mar 28 2013, 05:16 PM.
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Lord Talancir D'Landior	Mar 28 2013, 06:27 PM Post #14
~ RP Knight ~ Posts: 2,394 Group: Former Monarchs Member #2,592 Joined: September 26, 2007 Gender: Male Game Currently Playing: All the games. All of it.	Wallace Mar 28 2013, 03:14 PM Spoiler: click to toggle Pianta Mar 28 2013, 02:28 PM That being said I don't really use the Shack much anymore, so I don't mind what happens to it. Most of the die hard Shacketeers left already because the last Shack being closed down. This quote pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter. The way I see it is that people who saw the Shack as detrimental to board activity in the first place were the ones who led to its current state of lameness. All the talk of demolishing that fine establishment (back when it was great, not now in its disrepair) angered quite a few of its regulars, who were in general a bunch of veterans who were very prominent characters here. Some left; some threatened to; others fought tooth and claw for it to remain. I was one of these. I ultimately left due to a variety of reasons, and upon my return, the Shack -- as we knew and loved it -- was no more. It's been very well proven that the board loves the Shack, aside from those who would prefer to sacrifice quality to quantity. Those would ask me, "But isn't the never-ending one-line drivel of that place the very definition of throwing Quality on Quantity's altar?" While this may seem the case on the surface, it really is not so. The quality of any board, in my opinion, is not determined by individual posts, but by the overall quality of its community. The Shack brought the members together in a very easy way. There were its regulars who haunted their favourite corners of the Shack, who then made it seem inviting to the newbies, who were soon and kindly integrated into the community. The Shack, though its opposers loathe the fact, was the heart of the board's activity and population from which every vein, artery and capillary spread out. If you stop the heart, things will change. The spark of life in each cell will die, and they will slink away to rot. The flow of blood will stop. This, to my mind, is what has happened and continues to happen to this forum. It's a process I feel invested in, however, so here I am, watching as if an intrigued observer of the death throes of some new, unfamiliar disease -- though its cause and source I have almost entirely identified. I cannot vote in this poll, because my opinion is not represented by any of the options. I'm here to watch the flame finish flickering away. Put the poor thing out of its misery with a bucket of water, if you'd like; or let it burn to ashes until no heat is left but Siberian snow. Either way, the way I see it, this forum as it once was is done for. Too many active members only enjoyed being here because of the Shack, and now that it might as well already be gone, my prognosis is not hopeful. Oh please, cut the melodrama. I get it, you were sad when the Shack got restrictive, but you can't expect me to take your opinion seriously with your sopping wet anecdotes. Besides, you yourself is of the opinion that The Shack is the only thing holding the forum together. You cannot assume that everyone sees it the same way. There should be more in a community than a single thing tying everything together. if you seriously think that The Shack is the lynchpin holding everything together, then my opinion is that you seriously undervalue the community as a whole. A community held together by only one thing will fail. Regardless, I do think that the community needs something for the inane chatter, etc, which obviously does not and cannot condone individual threads of their own, due to their nature and/or content. If the Shack in its current form is that one thing that solves this issue, then so be it. If there is any other option that would be better than the Shack, it should be decided upon as a community. Until a better option presents itself, I'm voting in favor of keeping the Shack. Edited by Talancir D'Landior, Mar 28 2013, 06:29 PM.
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Neo Metallix	Mar 28 2013, 06:32 PM Post #15
~Doomsday Overlord~ Posts: 15,568 Group: =SB= Emperor Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2006 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: Doc_Of_D Game Currently Playing: Tales of Xillia	Warzak Mar 28 2013, 01:55 PM I know this won't solve anything, because I wan't to see how fair the Shack do under a Poll. Seriously I know folks who love the Shack and can't stand firm here without it. So naturally I ask, are you here for the shack or the forum? It's a slow consumption that may take potentially a few years to occur, but want a lasting forum to stay in the books of legendary active places, things has to stop. I want to leave because of this entirely and I know a friend of mine at least who values it to be true. Not mentioning any names, as it's not relevant. Note why I mentioned title of topic, is due to that I doubt anything I'm saying will change matters at hand, but I would actually be willing to add a few coins for a real chat box, to this forum alone, because as you've already seen my stupid announcement of returning, I do care for this forum. Because it's been like my secondary home as long I showed up here in 2006. Okay, now you can persuade me all you want why the shack's so much better, but I'm literally fed out with it's existence. Also what did it actually helped by removing video links, Neo? Not much, it's still the most active place on the whole forum. So that enormous post count that each member has cumulative added to this forum, comes through that topic alone. I love this forum, and I will stand firm with my stance on this, so if you ain't looking to hear such, just ban me. Because that's the only way you'd ever get rid of complainers such as me, that things need to be changed. (Please don't do) But yeah, I'm just interested to hear or see what people do think..... Again! We've done this before... But just want it to be changed. Last note, if anyone would come to pass, ignoring what I said, I am willing to splice up a few dollars to get one of those chat boxes were you won't have to constantly reload page. Don't look at me, I want it gone too. I see it as a waste and a drain on the rest of the forum but posts don't count there, if they did there'd be people with like 30k or 40k posts total. lol
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