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| The Taste & Scent of the Center of our Galaxy; RASPBERRIES AND RUM! | |
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| Devy The Mutt | Jan 11 2013, 06:21 PM Post #1 |
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There's also another interesting article on the discovery of about 400 planets I believe through a large telescope. Some of them, could possibly hold life. Anyway, to get onto this topic, I'm not saying that it is exactly true, but you need to think, there are thousands of different types of elements in the universe. The Periodic Table is about 1 out of probably over a billion different elements this universe contains. Don't underestimate scientists or astronomers because what we know that they can do to discover new things is only a portion of what they do. Really, they find these amazing discoveries, mainly on accident because they are searching for the building blocks of life. What makes life? How did we get here? Is there any other life besides us? Now, if you're religious, I respect that. It's like what my school teacher said to several religious kids. You don't exactly have to believe it, but you still need to know it. Well, in this case, you don't need to know it, but it's still something interesting to think about. |
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| Lifio | Jan 12 2013, 04:58 AM Post #2 |
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And they call it the Milky Way, It should be called the Raspberry and Rum Swirl now! On a more serious note, this is actually quite interesting. It makes me curious as to what other galaxies would smell/taste like. |
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| *ShiningStar* | Feb 17 2013, 03:17 PM Post #3 |
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I'm a religious person, but I can't deny, even I get curious to see and know what is out there. I always wonder what it would be like if we found advanced life on other planets. |
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Feb 18 2013, 11:43 AM Post #4 |
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A famous Sherlock Holmes quote is this: It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly, one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. Now there is a huge difference between the two and honestly I feel like they're trying to find stuff based on theories rather than actually looking at the data and following up with theories. It seems like scientists now days have theories and try to find facts to support it. When you're looking for something you can always find some sort of way to prove it whether it is the whole picture, true, or not... |
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| Wallace | Feb 18 2013, 02:50 PM Post #5 |
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Break out the L-word. The other L-word.
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Not to sound like an ass in correcting you, buuuuuuuuuuut... There's probably not all that many more elements than the ones we've already discovered. Perhaps a few more, but they're EXTREMELY unlikely to be found naturally in the universe. Once the atoms start to get so big, they become extremely unstable and quick to decay and fall apart. A fair lot of the atoms on our Periodic Table, the heaviest ones, are synthetic: not found naturally anywhere, but interesting to create in a lab for the purpose of examining certain atomic principles. Most of the universe is made up of the lighter elements, like hydrogen, helium, oxygen, and carbon. Which, interestingly, are the building blocks of life as we know it (except for helium). It would seem that it's not statistically unlikely that life similar to Earth's exists somewhere out in the cosmos, when its constituent elements and molecules are actually startling common. But enough of me rambling about that. I think this is vaguely interesting, if only for poetic purposes. Scientifically, I can't think of any importance to pin on the center of the Milky Way tasting like raspberries and smelling like rum. I'm more interested in how important those molecules are to the formation of life. And even still, it seems unlikely that life would come about in such an odd environment (a cloud of dust in space!), mainly due to reasons of a lack of sufficient heat and pressure, which may or may not be conducive to the formation of organic molecules, I'm not sure. Don't take my word. Regardless of my inability to properly articulate a reason, I think it's doubtful we'd find life there. @Neo: I'm really not sure what that's got to do with the topic at hand, since you didn't specify exactly what that wonderful quote has to do with it. But I'll bite. I agree, but I don't think much of modern science is quite so bad as that. We're moving away from, and to a large extent, already have, the assumption of theories before the support of facts is found, in favor of the formation of theories that adhere to the facts. We're constantly receiving new data to rock our old assumptions to their foundation and throw them out. It's the scientific method, after all. Feel free to give specific examples if you think I'm overestimating the integrity of the contemporary scientific community. I mean, not to sound rude or insinuating or anything, but I think it's ironic that you would propose the theory that modern science has degraded to theory without supporting facts, and then fail to support that theory with facts. |P Edited by Wallace, Feb 18 2013, 02:50 PM.
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| Devy The Mutt | Feb 19 2013, 02:50 AM Post #6 |
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I can agree to that, but it really just comes down to one thing. We all don't know. We would just have to wait for people to find out. And yes, this discovery of the raspberry-tasting and rum-smelling center of the galaxy was just an accident because they were still searching for the origin of life. And also, if I'm not correct, they already found planets that is possible to carry life, but they're extremely far away, too close to the sun for us to handle, too much of a gravitational pull to handle (it's at least 2x bigger than our Earth), and yeah, the big thing is, it's too far away. I don't know, I'd have to look at that and find the link to it. All I know that the name starts out with KOI or whatever. But yeah, you're right, we wouldn't really find that much different elements because really, the elements we find in Earth are pretty much from all around the universe. And back to the life thing, I believe there's life out there. But like you said, I doubt it that we would FIND life out there. Well, I agree, but I don't think they theorized it. If they were able to identify a chemical in the center of our galaxy, then they must have used something or saw something that could prove that it was that chemical. Edited by Devy The Mutt, Feb 19 2013, 02:52 AM.
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| Wallace | Feb 19 2013, 07:27 PM Post #7 |
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Break out the L-word. The other L-word.
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It's surprisingly easy to find a planet that could support life -- if you don't assume anything about life that isn't chemically necessary. Take Saturn's moon, Titan, for instance. It's a world with a rather dense atmosphere, almost like Venus, and is one of the larger moons in our Solar System. In it, all the necessary elements needed to support life are found, even liquid oceans and a "water cycle" of methane -- but it lacks heat sufficient for the complex organic chemistry to develop into living molecules. And then you've got Neptune's moon, Triton. It's a great big world of nitrogen and water ice. There's a certain pull-and-tug from the planet it orbits that causes the planet to stretch and compress slightly. The surface stays frozen, but it's believed that there is a liquid water ocean beneath the thick icy crust. If all the components are found that we've found on Titan, it's entirely possible that Triton may have a vast underwater world of sea creatures. We've not been lucky enough to find a world with life, much less one with an extensive, far-reaching fossil record, so our knowledge of the process of evolution is unfortunately bound to life as we know it on Earth. This makes guessing what to expect difficult. Are certain elements and molecules more likely to generate certain types of organisms? Would evolution act solely at random and take the progress in wildly different directions, or are there specific shapes and characteristics that are naturally more apt to be beneficial to any organism? Of course, we can try to imagine what we'll find by looking at the specific environment, but it's not easy. Take Jupiter for instance. We don't really have any reason to suspect life is there, but never the less, what kind of life could live there has been hypothesized. Since the pressure and temperature too far beneath the surface is too great, and the atmosphere too turbulent, some planetary biologists expect flying creatures resembling living balloons that would fly in Jupiter's powerful drafts and winds, having special appendages and organs specified for the purpose of maintaining a specific altitude, so as not to go where the atmosphere is too thin or thick, or the pressure too great or small. Many different species of these sky-organisms have been invented, but we will most likely not find any life on Jupiter, and if we did, there is no way to safely bet it will be anything like that. I know the planet you're talking about. I can't recall the name, either, but I recall some specifics about it: It's about half as far from its sun as Mercury is from ours, and about three to five times the size and mass of Earth. Due to its close proximity to its star, it's obviously not an ideal environment for life to arise. Of course, we may never know. Perhaps there is a kind of life we have not yet considered that may thrive in such a hot place. Science is mostly about not knowing, and admitting that you don't know, but still seeking the truth regardless of your ignorance. The Cosmos holds many secrets from us, kept under lock-and-key; inquisitive minds, ready to peer into the deepest mysteries and interrogate this stubborn universe, are the keys to open the doors to discovery and innovation. |
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| Devy The Mutt | Feb 20 2013, 03:10 AM Post #8 |
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Yeah, maybe if we ever are even able to actually travel that far, we could find out. I don't see that happening during our lifetimes. |
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