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| Katt Williams vs. Quentin Tarantino? | |
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| snow toilet | Jan 7 2013, 04:02 PM Post #1 |
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Apparently, a washed up, crackhead of a comedian has threatened Quentin Tarantino for his over-use of the dreaded "N" word. Let me first start by saying that Katt Williams isn't very funny. He is honestly a joke who doesn't know fine art. Now, I'm not racist but in this day and age the word ******* has lost a lot of touch as far as its harm. Today it's just a word but some people still need to grow up. Many black artists have defended this mans use with the word. Second of all, when you're trying to defend your race from being dangerously stereotyped think of what you're referencing. It's a film about a free'd slave set in the 1800's. Of course you're going to have to expect the word to be used more than a dozen times. Finally, he's not the first to complain. There was Denzel Washington, who did compliment on how much a great filmmaker Tarantino is and then there was Spike Lee. Not to mention, Quentin Tarantino isn't the first screen writer to use the word in his characters dialog. It's all here. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/06/katt-williams-threatens-to-punch-quentin-tarantino_n_2420465.html?ir=Black+Voices Discuss? |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 7 2013, 07:02 PM Post #2 |
I still can't use this.
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The n-word hasn't really lost all that much of its luster. While a form of it has been turned into a generic moniker between blacks, this doesn't mean every non-black person can start saying it willy-nilly without serious consideration of the context under which it's being said, because America continues to have a negative history in regards to its treatment the black community of which that word is a significant part of. Trust and believe that it is still a word that needs to be treated with extreme caution if you are not black or are not significantly involved with the black community. Regardless, you're going to have a hard time getting on a filmmakers' case because he decided to set a film in the pre-Civil War era where the word was tossed around all willy-nilly. Getting on him for mere use of the word is stupid as hell. But then again, people on both sides are stupid as hell when it comes to subjects like this. Hard right conservatives are once again embarrassing the country with their reactions. |
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| Breakfast Princess | Jan 7 2013, 07:28 PM Post #3 |
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1) Katt Williams is hilarious. He accomplishes entertaining his target audience, sorry if that's not you. But yeah, that makes a good comedian. He's super famous, and his shows sell out. How is he not funny? And of course he doesn't know "fine art". He's a comedian for goodness sake! What should any comedian know about fine art? If they do, more power to em, but it's most definitely not a requirement for being in stand-up. 2) Lemme just say that the "N" word with the -er ending, given to blacks by whites a long time ago, and the word "nigg-ah" are two COMPLETELY different words. Different spelling, different denotation, different meaning, different usage. You never hear the -er pronunciation being used as a greeting or what have you between black people (and their friends that may be white, Mexican, or any other race really). Anyone who uses -er is guilty of saying a bad, offensive word, plain and simple. 3) As for the word being used "too much" in this movie... I mean, it's true, this movie is set back in the time where this word was heard a lot and acceptable.. So really, if you completely removed this word, what would the movie seem like? What could they replace the "N" word with so people wouldn't get upset, but also the tone and setting of the movie wouldn't be compromised? I mean, I had to read Adventures of Huckleberry Finn as required reading last year, and that book was chock-full of the "N" word, with the -er ending. And Jim's characterization, well, don't even get me started. But honestly, the book had to be written that way (we discussed this before reading it in class) because that's what it was like back then. And I didn't get upset because it's not like the word was aimed at ME, or used in a particularly offensive, humorous, or demeaning way, right? |
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| Lord Bowie | Jan 7 2013, 09:16 PM Post #4 |
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The issue I have with this is that the N-er term while bad, was normal in the setting of the film... People need to understand that there is a reason why we go back to this terminology.. "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" It's like schools that are banning literature that have that term in it even though they were written within that time period.. when you water everything down and narrow it all out future generations will eventually forget or forget to respect the history and progress that has been made, sometimes it forces us to fall back into the same mistakes we made before.. Humanity's willingness to just attempt to completely erase important segments of history is one reason why there is a lack of progress or a fall back even in this generation... The previously mentioned Huckeberry Fin is being either removed from schools or being "modernized" for modern times.. tainting the literature and removing its historical significance all together.. someday the struggle over slavery, equal rights, and women's rights will be reduced to nothing more than a history book's footnote in future generations as people with good intentions but bad results attempt to sugarcoat history to make it look prettier. Secondly, Tarantino is a shock director.. he does crazy things in his movies a lot of which break taboo.. but he is no racist, the people on both sides who are getting way too oversensitive on this issue are just making asses out of themselves.. in the end we have a movie set in the proper time period, with a black man as one of it's main heroes, surrounded by a bunch of people (the world at the time) who don't like him or his race.. that is just a fact, that is the setting, that's what is appropriate for the time the piece is set in. Also, where's all the hate directed towards other period pieces, most notably Lincoln which uses the same term more than once.. it is an Oscar nominated film about the president that fought to end slavery in the US.. making this the first time in a long time, if not ever, that two movies about slavery have been in theaters at the same time in a long time.. If people are going to get angry at Tarantino and his movie, where is the hate towards Lincoln??? I thought both were awesome movies, and the use of the term added a power and relevance to each flick.. I sense a double standard. LASTLY.. Two prominent faces in the black community, Jaime Foxx and Samuel L. Jackson, signed onto this film. They both knew the script and the context and decided that it was fine, and I doubt they have a personal negativity towards Tarantino or this movie or else they wouldn't have been apart of it. They probably find it silly.. and nothing would make my day more than Samuel going out and punching Katt Williams in the face for his comments. People are just getting too damned worked up over something that really is irrelevant within its context, but it makes for good popcorn media. |
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| Katsuko | Jan 14 2013, 02:09 PM Post #5 |
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What a self-righteous cunt.
And this proves... that if you go to the comment section of a sub-par political-firebrand e-journal, you'll be able to find fringe gutter-snipes. As a "hard right conservative," I don't enjoy being lumped in with commentariat trolls. Edited by Katsuko, Jan 14 2013, 02:40 PM.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 14 2013, 03:03 PM Post #6 |
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I still can't use this.
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Despite Drudge Report's lack of quality, it's nonetheless one of the most popular sources of conservative news in both the country and the world (with a surprising four star rating), and that's out of 30 million sites tracked. And those are indeed the reactions of hard right conservatives. This fact doesn't mean I'm personally lumping you in with them. |
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| Katsuko | Jan 14 2013, 03:13 PM Post #7 |
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Of course it generates massive traffic. It's a firebrand political e-journal, the journalistic equivalent of a successful troll. This doesn't mean that traffic subscribes to its view: after all, it gets about a daily plug from the Huffpost. Further, most of the article's citations aren't even written by the conservative journals' staff. The supposed "embarrassing reaction" comes from the comments section.
Likewise, the abolition of marriage is the goal of hard-line feminists. Of course, by that I mean that the abolition of marriage is the goal of some hard-line feminists, which is perfectly true. Still, even though I'm technically right, that doesn't make that over-inclusive sentence less offensive and incourteous to those who feel passionately about feminism. It's a semantic straw man that uses the radical views of a minority to smear a much larger group. For example:
Now, I'm part of the NRO audience; so are many of my friends and much of my family. Am I really not supposed to read from this that your author thinks I'm a racist bigot? Edited by Katsuko, Jan 14 2013, 03:30 PM.
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