Batman: ARKHAM CITY: Why Joker's not dead

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Batman: ARKHAM CITY: Why Joker's not dead; Spoilers.
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BLOPS2	Nov 10 2012, 05:41 PM Post #1
Walkers, Walkers everywhere Posts: 258 Group: B Rank Guardian Member #13,213 Joined: August 21, 2012 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Xbox Live Gamertag: RedCommander98 Steam ID: Kotor9803 Game Currently Playing: Blockland	In this thread, I compilate all the evidence I found as to why the Joker is NOT dead, contrary to popular belief. 1. Right before Batman is knocked unconcioius, Clayface is knocked into the lazorus pit, and if the logic of anyone else falling into it can be applied to him, that would mean Batman didn't finish him off, and if he did he was brought back to life. But I digress, he drinks some of the cure, and it's in his right hand. He gets knocked out, he wakes up, and it's in his other hand. Coincidence? I think not. 2. Remember that one conversation between Joker and Harley at the steel mill? Well, I don't think it was Joker. "Oh, Mr. J, it's a miracle! You look perfect! Oh wait, it's not you, is it?" "Be quiet Harley!" 3. When you first encounter the Joker and detective mode reads his status as 'Deceased', a healthy Joker pops out proclaiming, "Surprise! You feel for the old fake Joker gag, Batman!" This list is far from complete, and will be updated as people inform me of their findings and such.
	Gonna dropkick it.


Cal	Nov 12 2012, 12:02 PM Post #2
Hydrocity Act 2 Posts: 108 Group: B Rank Adventurer Member #13,260 Joined: September 20, 2012 Playstation Network ID: PhenFant	1. That's a good point, well known across the net, but it's still debated whether that was just a mistake or not.. Personally I think it could mean something, but I'm not so sure.. 2. That doesn't answer anything about whether he's dead or not, it just hints you the plot of the game.. 3. It is generally accepted that the sick Joker that read as deceased was infact Joker and the perfectly healthy one was Clayface.. How'd he fool the detective mode? Probably because Detective mode scans for heart beats and the Joker found a way to halt his heart.. In the end comics that take place after Arkham City they cremate the body. So hm..



Josh the hedgehog	Nov 12 2012, 12:10 PM Post #3
Those who do good, do... Posts: 2,450 Group: S Rank Hero Member #12,907 Joined: April 24, 2012 Playstation Network ID: joshyboist Xbox Live Gamertag: starlighter XX	well I'm not sure about if the Joker truly died, but I know that the guy with the sword (forgot his name and it's WAY to complicated to say) never dies, seriously, remember the scene where he gets impaled on the stone pillar? well head back to where he was, and you'll see his body vanished and what's left is his sword...which could mean he never dies...
	Betrayal is a dangerous thing... "In my world...It's kill or be killed..." -Josh "Better run, coward..."-Sinistar


Deleted User	Nov 12 2012, 12:10 PM Post #4
Deleted User	Personally I dont need evidence. Batman and Joker are like a weirder Holmes and Moriarty- They're fated to play this game of cat and mouse together forever with neither side ever truly or permanently winning. Plus come on this is the DC universe. Everybody knows permadeath is a myth with DC. xD
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Cee Jay Haych	Nov 12 2012, 12:42 PM Post #5
"I didn't use the whole thing ...." Posts: 3,252 Group: =SB= Kings Member #9,868 Joined: March 28, 2009	Well, If Joker is still alive then it makes the whole Harley's Revenge DLC kinda pointless.



Deleted User	Nov 12 2012, 12:51 PM Post #6
Deleted User	Forever Eevee Nov 12 2012, 12:42 PM Well, If Joker is still alive then it makes the whole Harley's Revenge DLC kinda pointless. Not TOTALLY pointless After all it DID make the developers even more money xD
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RabidChoco	Nov 12 2012, 04:40 PM Post #7
Sandopolis Act 2 Posts: 2,402 Group: S Rank Hero Member #6,608 Joined: March 11, 2008 Gender: Male Country: Belgium 3DS Friend Code: 1521-5016-9168 Steam ID: RabidChoco Game Currently Playing: Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth	Arkham games: alternate continuity, therefore anything goes. If they want to permakill Joker for the sake of the Arkham games, they can damn well do it.
	Indeed, there is nothing more repulsive than these monsters that defy nature and are known by the name of witcher, as they are the offspring of foul sorcery and witchcraft. They are unscrupulous scoundrels without conscience and virtue, veritable creatures from hell capable only of taking lives. They have no place amongst decent and honest folk.


Cal	Nov 12 2012, 05:13 PM Post #8
Hydrocity Act 2 Posts: 108 Group: B Rank Adventurer Member #13,260 Joined: September 20, 2012 Playstation Network ID: PhenFant	Thanks Lemeza, felt like nobody was understanding how this worked for a second.. Yeah, Ra's Al Ghul you mean Josh. He's still alive. The Joker is "Likely" dead, go read "Endgame" comic and you'll see what I mean. However, it's still very possible they'll come up with something crazy for him to be alive and everybody needs to stop whining about it "Making the Arkham City ending unepic" If he comes back through a cool scheme it'll still be awesome.



RabidChoco	Nov 13 2012, 07:37 AM Post #9
Sandopolis Act 2 Posts: 2,402 Group: S Rank Hero Member #6,608 Joined: March 11, 2008 Gender: Male Country: Belgium 3DS Friend Code: 1521-5016-9168 Steam ID: RabidChoco Game Currently Playing: Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth	Personally, I think the Joker still being alive/resurrecting would be what cheapens Arkham City's ending.
	Indeed, there is nothing more repulsive than these monsters that defy nature and are known by the name of witcher, as they are the offspring of foul sorcery and witchcraft. They are unscrupulous scoundrels without conscience and virtue, veritable creatures from hell capable only of taking lives. They have no place amongst decent and honest folk.


Cal	Nov 13 2012, 11:31 AM Post #10
Hydrocity Act 2 Posts: 108 Group: B Rank Adventurer Member #13,260 Joined: September 20, 2012 Playstation Network ID: PhenFant	It really depends on how it's done, if it's done in a VERY expected way, yeah it'll cheapen. If it's done in this way that nobody ever thought of and is completely possible and credible to be planned out.. That'll be one of the most genius things in gaming plots ever. Right next to how the hell Sucker Punch will bring back Cole from the dead.



Josh the hedgehog	Nov 13 2012, 11:35 AM Post #11
Those who do good, do... Posts: 2,450 Group: S Rank Hero Member #12,907 Joined: April 24, 2012 Playstation Network ID: joshyboist Xbox Live Gamertag: starlighter XX	Cal Nov 13 2012, 11:31 AM Right next to how the hell Sucker Punch will bring back Cole from the dead or Rocket from the dead, Cole's coming back in Playstation all-stars!
	Betrayal is a dangerous thing... "In my world...It's kill or be killed..." -Josh "Better run, coward..."-Sinistar


L Dragon	Nov 13 2012, 12:05 PM Post #12
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	Moving off the topic of Joker being dead or not, but am I the only one who thought that revealing the 'true' master mind behind the Doctor's plan was a bit... Lame? I mean, I don't know. I thought it would be more epic than 'Oh hey Batman, you climbed all the way up here, now let me tell you who really is behind all this... I'll give ya a hint, you had a thing going on with his daughter pervy face' xD Yeah, I'm stretching it a bit, but it seemed like revealing Ras wasn't that big of a deal. Or maybe I was just completely blown away when the whole Clayface came into play, and THAT revealing factor was more shocking and epic than revealing Ras... I don't know, could just be me... About the Joker. Meeeeh, if he is dead, he is dead. If not, then its whatever. However, if they plan on making another game, they'd want to introduce different villains as the main lead. The fact that Bane really didn't have a bigger part in this game kinda let me down a bit. But, it is what it is. All I'm saying is, they better have Robin as a playable character in the free roam aspect of the game should they make another... Supposedly there was talk about them making a DLC that would allow you to play as Robin, kinda like how they let you play as Catwomen and you go through her mini story line.shrugs Haven't been keeping up to date with the DLCs ever since I let my neighbor borrow the game. ^-^;
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RabidChoco	Nov 13 2012, 02:36 PM Post #13
Sandopolis Act 2 Posts: 2,402 Group: S Rank Hero Member #6,608 Joined: March 11, 2008 Gender: Male Country: Belgium 3DS Friend Code: 1521-5016-9168 Steam ID: RabidChoco Game Currently Playing: Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth	I'll admit, I don't know much about the whole continuity, but from what we got in-game of Ra's philosophy and what Strange did with Protocol 10, made it in retrospect a fairly coherent logical chain.
	Indeed, there is nothing more repulsive than these monsters that defy nature and are known by the name of witcher, as they are the offspring of foul sorcery and witchcraft. They are unscrupulous scoundrels without conscience and virtue, veritable creatures from hell capable only of taking lives. They have no place amongst decent and honest folk.


Cal	Nov 13 2012, 07:39 PM Post #14
Hydrocity Act 2 Posts: 108 Group: B Rank Adventurer Member #13,260 Joined: September 20, 2012 Playstation Network ID: PhenFant	Swolverine Nov 13 2012, 12:05 PM Moving off the topic of Joker being dead or not, but am I the only one who thought that revealing the 'true' master mind behind the Doctor's plan was a bit... Lame? I mean, I don't know. I thought it would be more epic than 'Oh hey Batman, you climbed all the way up here, now let me tell you who really is behind all this... I'll give ya a hint, you had a thing going on with his daughter pervy face' xD Yeah, I'm stretching it a bit, but it seemed like revealing Ras wasn't that big of a deal. Or maybe I was just completely blown away when the whole Clayface came into play, and THAT revealing factor was more shocking and epic than revealing Ras... I don't know, could just be me... About the Joker. Meeeeh, if he is dead, he is dead. If not, then its whatever. However, if they plan on making another game, they'd want to introduce different villains as the main lead. The fact that Bane really didn't have a bigger part in this game kinda let me down a bit. But, it is what it is. All I'm saying is, they better have Robin as a playable character in the free roam aspect of the game should they make another... Supposedly there was talk about them making a DLC that would allow you to play as Robin, kinda like how they let you play as Catwomen and you go through her mini story line.shrugs Haven't been keeping up to date with the DLCs ever since I let my neighbor borrow the game. ^-^; Eh, I wouldn't say it was lame, it made sense and was easy to live with, I admit it wasn't a huge deal though. The Clayface part was cool, except the bossfight which was really easy, seriously, that was the best they could do? Though really it was a cool reveal, but I forgot when exactly I saw it coming.. I swear I did saw it coming.. Eh, maybe I didn't, It was probably during Batmans flashback thing that I instantly knew "Clayface, yep." It was cooler then the Ra's thing though. Whether he's dead or not, They should have his presence there, as in everyone still mentions him, I mean you don't make a game after the Joker dies and not even mention "Man.. I'm gonna miss that clown.. Oh well, Time to have some Bat soup!" They definitely need some new main villain leads, even if in the end it turns out Joker comes back and takes control of the scheme or something. I'm mainly looking foward to Scarecrow, Hush, Calendar man? Azrael. Whether Robin's a playable character in the free roam or not I don't care, I still want him playable though. They made the Harley Quinn's Revenge DLC and that had Robin be playable.. It wasn't much of anything for adding to the plot though, like really, it doesn't teach much new, besides some very vague hints like Gordon mentioning some new problem.



MysticShaid	Nov 15 2012, 08:06 AM Post #15
My! That's a pretty snazzy performance there! Posts: 451 Group: C Rank Knight Member #12,740 Joined: January 29, 2012 Xbox Live Gamertag: MysticShaid Wii Friend Code: I forgot...	It would not surprise me if the Joker returns or not. I actually feel bad for old Mark Hammel; I don't know if it is true but it says that they kept pestering him to play the Joker. But anyways, I do not know how they can make another Arkham game, since they introduced many villains and killed some of them off. However there are more villains and heck, I am down with another Batman game
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