How to include Knuckles in future storylines.

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How to include Knuckles in future storylines.
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HollyYoshi	Nov 1 2012, 04:45 AM Post #1
I object to your claims Posts: 15,025 Group: =SB= Queens Member #9,640 Joined: January 9, 2009 Gender: Female Country: United States of America 3DS Friend Code: 1891-1489-0768 Nintendo ID: Agent_Blaire Game Currently Playing: Yoshi's Island	So, I know a lot of you having been pining for the main games to have playable characters who are not just Sonic, or transformations of Sonic, or Sonic with power-ups, or even another version of Sonic. No, you guys want to play as the other characters from the franchise. Including Knuckles. Now, I don't blame anyone for wanting Knuckles back as playable. He's a good character and all that. But, I don't know if anyone has factored a certain element of the character. Well, I have, and I'm curious as to how to....get around it, shall we say? And this element I'm talking about? The Master Emerald. Surely you all know how he's supposed to guard that big hunk of shiny rock. But, if he was to be a playable character again, that would mean leaving the shrine. The question I ask is, what would make him leave the shrine. Breaking the emerald into pieces has been done twice already, and besides the treasure hunting stages kind of sucked in the Adventures and I'd rather not go through those damn things again in future games. Then we have games like Heroes where you have no idea why he's away from the shrine in the first place. That always bothered me since, well, I'm left wondering how it's being kept safe and all that. So, if Knuckles was to be a playable character again, how do you think they should get around the whole Master Emerald issue?



MysticShaid	Nov 1 2012, 05:49 AM Post #2
My! That's a pretty snazzy performance there! Posts: 451 Group: C Rank Knight Member #12,740 Joined: January 29, 2012 Xbox Live Gamertag: MysticShaid Wii Friend Code: I forgot...	Yea, I feels like that is really the only real material Knuckles can work other than being Sonic's wingman. The only thing I could think about is if it played out like this: "The Master Emerald has been destroyed and while Knuckles searches for answers, he learns about his ancestors and the importants of the power or Chaos and the Master Emerald." That's all that I got lol
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~~AmpleCitrus~~	Nov 1 2012, 07:20 AM Post #3
Character Select Posts: 7 Group: Game Over :( Member #13,305 Joined: October 30, 2012	In Sonic Adventure Chaos was sealed inside the emerald, and at the end of the final story this picture shows up: Then remember when Tikal's tribe tried to steal the Chaos Emeralds and Chaos defended them? So maybe Knuckles can leave it to Chaos when he's needed someplace else, yeah?



YamiShadow	Nov 1 2012, 08:28 AM Post #4
Flying Battery Act 1 Posts: 918 Group: C Rank Hero Member #12,994 Joined: May 25, 2012 Gender: Male Country: Canada Game Currently Playing: Final Fantasy X HD	In possibly the simplest terms possible, the Master Emerald most definitely needs to be a part of the plot if Knuckles is part of it. There are, in fact, two ways this could be worked out. First, is the obvious way: Fall back into the SA/SA2 pattern, and have the Master Emerald shattered again. This is a bit redundant, but it works. It's a passable story arc, especially considering the fact that Knuckles pretty much shouldn't be doing anything but protecting or seeking the Master Emerald, by nature of the fact that that's his duty. I enjoyed the puzzle gameplay anyways, so I can't say I'd have any complaints in terms of gameplay either. The other option is to have someone simply steal it, and actually get away. This way, the Master Emerald isn't shattered, and some gameplay options for Knuckles are opened up. In theory, you could make his gameplay very action/fighting based, if this is something you favour. His gliding and wall scaling abilities should probably remain a gameplay element (In the stead of, say, the stretchy arms of Sonic the Werehog). Also, on the topic of Chaos in related to Master Emerald lore, at the end of Sonic Adventure he and Tikal were re-sealed in the Master Emerald. Tikal absolutely had to return to the Master Emerald, because due to some circumstances she'd either ended up having her soul intrinsically tied to it, or had become a deity of sorts with connections to the Master Emerald. She took Chaos with her, I'm pretty sure as a precautionary measure to avoid having something like this happening again. Slightly unnecessary in truth, considering that Sonic had just purified him. Regardless, this sort of removes the possibility of him guarding the Master Emerald in Knuckles' place. SA2 has proven that just shattering it isn't enough to release him.
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HollyYoshi	Nov 1 2012, 09:22 AM Post #5
I object to your claims Posts: 15,025 Group: =SB= Queens Member #9,640 Joined: January 9, 2009 Gender: Female Country: United States of America 3DS Friend Code: 1891-1489-0768 Nintendo ID: Agent_Blaire Game Currently Playing: Yoshi's Island	Quote: The Master Emerald has been destroyed and while Knuckles searches for answers, he learns about his ancestors and the importants of the power or Chaos and the Master Emerald The thing is, however, we kind of already got a bit of that in SA1. Not to say I wouldn't mind it fleshed out a little though. In fact, I've been wondering; how is Knuckles the only echidna left? I mean, Chaos' attack on Pacadamic's tribe happened two-thousand years ago. Sure, it would have wiped out the majority of the population, but not everyone. Knuckles had to come from somewhere, right? Quote: The other option is to have someone simply steal it, and actually get away. This way, the Master Emerald isn't shattered, and some gameplay options for Knuckles are opened up. In theory, you could make his gameplay very action/fighting based, if this is something you favour. His gliding and wall scaling abilities should probably remain a gameplay element (In the stead of, say, the stretchy arms of Sonic the Werehog). Yeah, I do think something similar in gameplay style as the Werehog would suit the character quite nicely.



SuperShadowgal	Nov 4 2012, 02:25 AM Post #6
The Female Ultimate Life Form! Posts: 3,112 Group: E Rank Legend Member #59 Joined: April 29, 2006	Really I think the main pull Knuckles would have for leaving is something Echidna history related. I'm talking like what we saw with Battle and Chronicles to an extent (that was more kidnapping). In Battle, Knuckles was out and about due to the fact Chaos awoke in response to Emerl's activation. So, if perhaps we had a storyline with a dangerous Echidna artifact... I think some of the only other options are steal/break the M.E., kidnap Knuckles, or Eggman fools Knuckles and we all know they've been done. Perhaps another idea, although I think it's more like what we've already seen, is that something happens to the Chaos Energy and thus we see a weakening in the M.E. and the Emeralds.
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HollyYoshi	Nov 4 2012, 09:11 AM Post #7
I object to your claims Posts: 15,025 Group: =SB= Queens Member #9,640 Joined: January 9, 2009 Gender: Female Country: United States of America 3DS Friend Code: 1891-1489-0768 Nintendo ID: Agent_Blaire Game Currently Playing: Yoshi's Island	Quote: Perhaps another idea, although I think it's more like what we've already seen, is that something happens to the Chaos Energy and thus we see a weakening in the M.E. and the Emeralds. You mean like Eggman trying to siphon the energy out of the emeralds for a reason? And the Master Emerald weakens as well because they are connected? That might work.



SuperShadowgal	Nov 4 2012, 05:53 PM Post #8
The Female Ultimate Life Form! Posts: 3,112 Group: E Rank Legend Member #59 Joined: April 29, 2006	Special Operative Blaire Nov 4 2012, 09:11 AM Quote: Perhaps another idea, although I think it's more like what we've already seen, is that something happens to the Chaos Energy and thus we see a weakening in the M.E. and the Emeralds. You mean like Eggman trying to siphon the energy out of the emeralds for a reason? And the Master Emerald weakens as well because they are connected? That might work. Precisely. Whether it be Eggman tampering with the emeralds, or perhaps an unforseen consequence of a new scheme he whipped up.
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Cal	Nov 5 2012, 09:28 AM Post #9
Hydrocity Act 2 Posts: 108 Group: B Rank Adventurer Member #13,260 Joined: September 20, 2012 Playstation Network ID: PhenFant	Well, for one I say there should also include more of a return to knuckles being Sonic's more clear rival, yes I know in recent games he'll still say a nod or two that he doesn't like Sonic that much but seriously, I like the idea of being Knuckles to punch Sonic, it sounds like a fun perspective. As for a good story good factor.. OK let's say we mix it up abit, Sonic, not a clone, not metal sonic, but SONIC the hedgehog.. Actually steals the master emerald? But for actual good reasons, like Knuckles being too stubborn to give it up for Sonic so he can use it against Eggmans plans, so Sonic just takes it? I remember reading that Sonic doesn't mind being considered evil as long as he knows he's doing the right thing, it would be the perfect example.



MysticShaid	Nov 6 2012, 07:09 AM Post #10
My! That's a pretty snazzy performance there! Posts: 451 Group: C Rank Knight Member #12,740 Joined: January 29, 2012 Xbox Live Gamertag: MysticShaid Wii Friend Code: I forgot...	Special Operative Blaire Nov 1 2012, 09:22 AM Quote: The Master Emerald has been destroyed and while Knuckles searches for answers, he learns about his ancestors and the importants of the power or Chaos and the Master Emerald The thing is, however, we kind of already got a bit of that in SA1. Not to say I wouldn't mind it fleshed out a little though. In fact, I've been wondering; how is Knuckles the only echidna left? I mean, Chaos' attack on Pacadamic's tribe happened two-thousand years ago. Sure, it would have wiped out the majority of the population, but not everyone. Knuckles had to come from somewhere, right? Yea, I was thinking of a more in depth look and similar to an origins backstory. Pretty muc like that though
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FiniteZero	Nov 6 2012, 09:21 AM Post #11
Good vibes. Posts: 7,965 Group: A Rank Legend Member #11,988 Joined: April 10, 2011 Gender: Male Country: United States of America	Here's my idea. Make a sort of sequel to Sonic CD, with the same basic idea: going into the past to turn a Bad Future into a Good Future, this time in 3D. Not only could we include Knuckles if we have this take place on Angel Island, but because of the future component, we could include Silver as well!



HollyYoshi	Nov 7 2012, 05:41 PM Post #12
I object to your claims Posts: 15,025 Group: =SB= Queens Member #9,640 Joined: January 9, 2009 Gender: Female Country: United States of America 3DS Friend Code: 1891-1489-0768 Nintendo ID: Agent_Blaire Game Currently Playing: Yoshi's Island	Cal Nov 5 2012, 09:28 AM Well, for one I say there should also include more of a return to knuckles being Sonic's more clear rival, yes I know in recent games he'll still say a nod or two that he doesn't like Sonic that much but seriously, I like the idea of being Knuckles to punch Sonic, it sounds like a fun perspective. As for a good story good factor.. OK let's say we mix it up abit, Sonic, not a clone, not metal sonic, but SONIC the hedgehog.. Actually steals the master emerald? But for actual good reasons, like Knuckles being too stubborn to give it up for Sonic so he can use it against Eggmans plans, so Sonic just takes it? I remember reading that Sonic doesn't mind being considered evil as long as he knows he's doing the right thing, it would be the perfect example. Hmm, if done well, that might be very interesting to see.



Phoenix-Saturn	Nov 8 2012, 08:01 AM Post #13
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	Or maybe Sonic needs assistance and Knuckles takes the ME with him? SA2 showed that Knuckles could reduce the emerald to being Chaos Emerald size. Of course, Angel Island would crash into the ocean, but as long as it's not crashing on a city...
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YamiShadow	Nov 8 2012, 08:59 AM Post #14
Flying Battery Act 1 Posts: 918 Group: C Rank Hero Member #12,994 Joined: May 25, 2012 Gender: Male Country: Canada Game Currently Playing: Final Fantasy X HD	I just recalled something, related to the ending of SA2, which makes most of (Although far from all of) we've said so far a moot point. Knuckles left the Master Emerald on the ARK, I'm almost certain. I mean, there was the equivalent of a Master Emerald shrine on the ARK, so it kind of makes sense in a way. (Which, amusingly enough, foreshadows Gerald's research of Chaos and the Knuckles tribe and Nocturnus, which led him to discovering Emerl.) So, Angel Island is in the ocean all ready, and the Master Emerald is technically safe. Eggman might be able to get his hands on it still though, so I suppose my suggestion of someone simply stealing the Master Emerald is kind of possible. I guess this explains why Knuckles has basically no purpose in the plot after SA2, though?
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HollyYoshi	Nov 8 2012, 10:06 AM Post #15
I object to your claims Posts: 15,025 Group: =SB= Queens Member #9,640 Joined: January 9, 2009 Gender: Female Country: United States of America 3DS Friend Code: 1891-1489-0768 Nintendo ID: Agent_Blaire Game Currently Playing: Yoshi's Island	.... Well, that would explain why we haven't even seen the Master Emerald in a main Sonic game since SA2. (Was it in Chronicles? I can't remember.)



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