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| The 2012 U.S. Presidential Election | |
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| Wallace | Oct 6 2012, 09:41 AM Post #1 |
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Thought it was a fairly alright topic to offer to you all. So, what do you think of the candidates? Who are you going to vote for, or, if you can't vote, who would you vote for? It'll be nice to see what you all think. ^^ Personally, I think they're both rotten, but I'd rather see Obama get a second term than Romney be elected. The thought of that guy being president scares me, more so than Obama. Which is saying something. |
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| Lord Bowie | Oct 25 2012, 07:55 PM Post #16 |
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My vote's for Obama, but to be honest the real power is in Congress, the President can sort of direct where we're going but the masses of our House and Senate hold the real collective power in our government... I don't think either side should ever have a super majority.. it is unhealthy for politics.. Hopefully we at least break the auto-filibuster threshold. x_x |
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| RabidChoco | Oct 26 2012, 02:56 PM Post #17 |
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Really, not hearing anything new from Obama, and I haven't fully forgiven Romney for beating out Gingrich and Cain in the primaries. But imo, politics has been a mockery since the media started focusing on celebs, if not since the invention of the television. |
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| SXR123 | Oct 27 2012, 06:07 AM Post #18 |
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Does anyone here like ron paul? I'm not one to be too into politics but from what I've seen from him he looked like the best candidate there was. I'm not too clear on all the details but I think ron would've been the best for the US... any opinions? maybe fill me in a little bit on what his policies were and what not? Edited by SXR123, Oct 27 2012, 06:21 AM.
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| Ark Rotarl | Oct 27 2012, 08:37 AM Post #19 |
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I voted Obama since he actually gives a crap about protecting basic civil liberties for folks like myself. The economy's devolving into a black hole no matter who we pick, but at least Obama's made a step out of the abysmal pit we were in while Bush was in power. (Yes, we HAVE come forward out of the state we were in, no one bullshit me on that. Not by a lot, but we're certainly better than we were four years ago.) Even if things are really going downhill for this nation, I'd rather have four more years of respect to the LGBT community as a whole whereas Romney wants to make life all the more unpleasant. Also not happy with the idea that Romney wants to shut down Planned Parenthood -- an organization that's long been assisting not only women with their pregnancies and providing contraceptives to those who cannot afford them, but also provide medical and therapy assistance for trans-gendered persons. All in an effort to save the whitehouse a little more money. That guy wants to treat the country like a corporate business and that all assets can be liquidated to fit HIS idea of a functional budget. I wanna live in a free country, not a closed corporation. |
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| Fenroar | Oct 27 2012, 03:30 PM Post #20 |
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Yeah, I'm with the majority in this topic. I'm voting for Obama. I'm not sure if I'm all in for Obama, but Cy pretty much nailed it for me. I just can't stand Romney's stance on many social issues, and find myself wanting to punch anybody who's voting for him simply because "he's not Obama." Like some people stated, I'm actually scared what Romney would do as president. I'm scared he would try to force his beliefs onto us. :| |
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| RabidChoco | Oct 27 2012, 03:41 PM Post #21 |
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I'm pretty sure, regardless of whomever's President, that they can't effectively do that. In principle, I am against the legislation of any morality. (AKA, the "social issues") My impression: Obama's been trying to do just that. I mean, seriously, the words he uses. You have a problem with Romney potentially putting his beliefs into federal law? Why does nobody have a problem with Obama doing the same thing? |
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| Fenroar | Oct 27 2012, 09:06 PM Post #22 |
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Um.... no. Not what I meant. When I say beliefs, I mean stuff like religion. Not actual... beliefs in everything. I'm scared Romney will let religion affect part of his duties and try to rub it off on the government. For example, no gay marriages. I'm not gay mind you, but I don't get why he's being an ass about it. It doesn't affect him at all. It won't affect me at all. Why is he against it? It's things like this that makes me against Romney. Stance on social issues like this make or break a candidate for me. I disagree with Obama doing the same thing, but I have no interest into getting a political debate to be honest, and I'm kinda tired as I'm typing this. I do have sources though favorited on Twitter somewhere however, which probably have better examples. And there's that 47 percent comment as well, yeah. |
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| Lord Bowie | Oct 28 2012, 01:14 PM Post #23 |
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The big difference is that the typical conservative beliefs people have problems with are the religious ones they try to cram down everyone's throats despite a CLEAR definition of separation of church and state as laid out by our forefathers. President Obama has never tried to force religiously based social legislation down the throat of the American people, he's not like the tea party congressmen who are trying to push our party to Theocracy using Romney as a mild proxy in that way. |
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| [Mika] Gumi | Oct 28 2012, 01:25 PM Post #24 |
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I'd just like to say not every conservative tries to shove religious beliefs down people's throats. And you can't treat one candidate like Heaven's gift and the other like Hellspawn, because they're not. They're ordinary human beings with faults and flaws. That is all. |
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| Eren Jaeger | Oct 28 2012, 02:09 PM Post #25 |
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Well of course Romney's not a hellspawn... .... They didn't wanna pay the taxes for creating him. :I |
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| RabidChoco | Oct 28 2012, 02:16 PM Post #26 |
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Well, I got two responses here. Firstly, your "CLEAR definition," while it exists, is not what you think it is. The First Amendment prohibits, (among all those other things) Congress from making a law concerning "an establishment of religion". What that MEANS is, they can't make it illegal to be Muslim, Jewish, atheist or so on. That's it. Secondly: Romney's still a politician like any other. While he's publicly making a moral stand, I honestly don't think he'll push for any laws to impose his morals on the people. And as a tangent for my tangent: These social issues shouldn't be the concern of the federal government anyway. |
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| Monaco | Oct 28 2012, 03:12 PM Post #27 |
 
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All I can say is, lucky I'm not in America with Obama running things. He promised so much and yet he failed. I care not for politics and doubt I ever shall. I respect peoples opinions on this matter and I accept them. Until Obama allows gay marriage to take place the American dream is over for me. |
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| Lord Bowie | Oct 29 2012, 08:40 AM Post #28 |
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He actually came through on a decent amount of promises despite being stonewalled by congress, so I don't know why people are saying he failed to deliver. I think people forget we were just in a deep economic recession and it takes more than one term for policy to kick in and reverse it completely, it takes time and is gradual when done right, so if you want this economy working right just be patient with it for a little longer... Took 16 years to fully get out of the Great Depression after all.. As for Gay Marriage, that is a state by state issue and more and more are opening to it including my state of Washington, if you want legal authenticated gay marriage you'll probably have to live in a state that isn't actively resisting it. Also Kosugi the whole line is.. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof .... It is a WALL... Separation of Church and state means a separation from the state concerning religious affairs and conversely a separation from religion in the state's affairs.. this was due to the fact that Americans had already fled a Europe that was under heavy religious control, and while they may have wanted to still be religious they didn't want religious doctrine dictating our policy because we are NOT a Theocracy.. it goes both ways when you read it in context... Kind of bugs me when people say it is only meant to keep religion safe when that is only half of it. |
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| Breakfast Princess | Oct 29 2012, 11:59 AM Post #29 |
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I don't follow politics or even concentrate on them that much. As a young American citizen who just turned 18, I realize I probably should've paid more attention to the debates and the commercials and all that. In my defense, I'm not much of a tv watcher... At all. So basically, I tend to look at a few of the facts that interest me or have to do with me. I can tell you a few of the reasons I'm voting for Obama. First of all... I need help with paying for birth control and paying for my education. Right now I get completely free birth control which is great because I can't afford $50 a month or even $12 a month, honestly. I'm saving up to move out, and I'm saving up to buy a car, and every penny counts, trust me. And with my SAT scores, I could have tons of colleges and universities rolling out the red carpet, but without scholarships and government-funded schooling, even with that I would be hard-pressed to go where I want to go. Those are two examples of things Romney is trying to get rid of, that Obama isn't. Thanks, Obama, you da man. Secondly, Obama really does have a hand on foreign policy, something Romney just doesn't seem to have a grasp on. And I think that is a really important issue, especially in the years approaching. Also, Obama did deliver on his promise to bring our troops home, something I personally appreciate. |
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| RabidChoco | Oct 29 2012, 12:48 PM Post #30 |
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I'm not seeing it. Although I'll grant that the converse logically follows as an effect of the former. I can't really fault you when your line of reasoning is eerily similar to mine. But here is what infuriates me about the "church and state" debate: it's that it's oversimplified that "church" = "morality", and is then held to a double standard. Outlawing abortion is a "religious" thing? Then so must be legalizing it. Opposition to gay marriage is unconstitutional according to the First Amendment? Then so must be explicitly supporting it. And so, my conclusion on the matter of church and state is this: as far as primarily moral issues go, the federal government needs to keep them entirely out of federal lawmaking. I'm not gonna argue the birth control/abortion crap, but seriously, KC, on foreign policy? Within the past two months, Al-Qaeda just attacked one of our embassies and killed an ambassador. And he's blamed an anti-Muslim film trailer made in America and put up on YouTube. |
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