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Science = Revitalized economy; Here's one example of how
Topic Started: Sep 17 2012, 08:12 AM (257 Views)
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In the 1950s, President Dwight D. Eisenhower commissioned the Interstate Highway System after considering the designs of the German Autobahn post-World War II while acting as Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe. These highways are the same that we drive on today and in some instance it can be told from looking at them that they are extremely durable and are a great way to get from one point to another.

They're also always needing constant maintenance and hard resources such as asphalt. Other than that, the current Interstate system does what it's meant to do, get people from Point A to Point B across the U.S.

But what if it could do more?

Such as providing a way to shift to dependency on solar energy for power generation?

Such as providing a way to make our roadways safer, smarter and frankly awesome looking?

But most importantly of all, what if it could propel a drive to put the unemployed to work?



Think about it, heat radiation from the Sun makes asphalt hot as all Hell. If you implement this solar road technology and replace all asphalt with it, that heat radiation is no longer wasted when absorbed. Over that mileage, that is a lot of energy being pushed by daytime exposure. And at night? Simple as shifting to the stored solar energy held in batteries or special centers for the night-time period. You also have to consider though that parts of the system will shift to solar generation earlier than the others. Sun rises in the east, sets in the west. Depending on how much radiation comes through in early morning, we may still be able to power a significant amount of the grid until the rest of the country boots up.

And as the video demonstrates, there are some really radical uses for the new system. The signs used in construction zones have LEDs and are solar powered. Put LEDs in the panels and you don't need to paint roads anymore. You just have someone program that stretch and have them line up the dots to create the guide-lines that are needed. Need to expand from a two lane to a four way? Fine, you'll of course need to lay the panel down, but again, when it's ready to come online, it just needs to be reprogrammed. You could theoretically have the program done already during the time it takes to lay the panel.

Which brings me to the next point. Jobs. Engineers are needed to design the components. Technicians are needed to fabricate them. Construction workers are needed to remove the existing asphalt, prepare the infrastructure and then install the panels. Then you have people on hand for maintenance and expansion. At the federal level, this could be a powerhouse as it is, controlled by the Department of Transportation. Then if the states and the municipalities get into it, then that means the same structure comes into play with the states' Department of Transportation equivalents and the county/civil engineers. That's going to be a lot of jobs available and there are definitely people out there to fill that demand.

The only thing that really shoots this in the foot is of course it puts a dent in our way of looking at conventional energy systems. This could pretty much cut out oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear power. Depending on how things are set up, the power being generated could technically be considered a government-provided utility, much like water. Either conventional power companies shift to adapt to the new mode, they serve as a backup role or they go down into obscurity. That means jobs lost potentially, I understand. But at the same time, conventional energy is killing this planet, and as Enron, among other controversies have proved, there's waste, corruption and unethical lobbies.

Either way, this is a big thing that we're looking at here. This transcends politics, religion and all of that baggage. This is our energy and jobs solution being served on a plate to us. Question is, are we just going to skitter it across the plate until it crumbles and falls off? Or are we going to gnaw on it with gusto and call it our new favorite food?
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eco-friendly (both enviroment and energy-wise), provides jobs, I think my mind's been blown...

also I bet in the future they're going to develop roads that float in the air without any supports BUT something to power something that allows it to float, y'know like magnetism...
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The most surprising thing here is that the bloody glass can support full cars. That alone blows my mind.

I think that its a neat concept. And a very good idea. Sure it won't happen over night and it might take a few years to even start happening.

But really what better place to put solar panels that when there's already something else. In this case asphalt.
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But what do you do if the batteries or the energy stored is not sufficient enough? Remember, not everywhere is always sunny.

I am completely and utterly for the idea of renewable energies, as our reliance on fossil fuels has caused more trouble than its worth. But the shift has to be actively made and its only so so. Its going to take a lot more interest and backing to get this stuff off the ground. Its going to take that, or the inevitable collapse that will come from fossil fuels being depleted.

As you mention, this kind of renewable energy would basically kill major energy companies that refuse to adapt, hence why many find it more easier to enforce and keep use using current energy sources.

It will undoubtedly change a lot, but I don't know if one could say it would revitalize the economy. Its noticed that often the most economically beneficial way to make money is to take the non-eco friendly route. You must also remember that the jobs required to do the solar panels are not the same amount as it takes for other, more wasteful energy companies, thus it would lead to more jobs being lost than really saved. Its something I think is often failed to be noticed in science is the realization that the more we try to make things faster, more efficient, or try to make a major change, is that we fail to realize how much we also end up losing or adding to problems that didn't exist before.

For example, you have five workers doing one job, but then you get a machine that does the job of those five workers. They have to get a new job, which makes sense, but when other people and such are using and adding more and more machines that lessens the amount of workers needed, and the population continues to rise, at one point there will eventually be jobless without many choices to get a job. Perhaps those people can be trained to handle, fix, or be engineers for those machines, but there is only so much needed.

Personally, Science solves as many problems as it helps create.

...Sorry. I tend to think of these things. I am for renewable energies, its just that I don't think a "revitalized" economy is really what you should aim for. I personally would of add "ascends religion, politics, and capitalism" since money be damned in my opinion.
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Sep 18 2012, 02:23 AM
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I'm not sure that I can agree with you. Of course, I'm considering the average american worker (or any worker for that matter, I'm sure unemployment is an issue in more than one country), and the factor that you were talking about before has to be considered, but are we losing that many jobs?

Let's say that there's an asphalt road being built on one side, and the eco-friendly road on the other. The asphalt road requires a far less complicated system to build, and it only needs a few components to build it (tar, gravel, etc.) The glass road, however might be a little more complicated. It's going to have solar panels, signal lights, and what looks like a little bit of programming to keep it operational.

Also, nobody is keeping those adamant electric companies from switching to a more reliable source of income. In fact, somebody might get the idea to own a few of these new roads to harvest and sell the electricity at a much lower price.

And another thing, has anyone considered the maintenance occupations this could open up? Sure, that would probably close the market on some jobs in the original road department, but not everywhere. There are such places where nobody wants this much progress. (I heard of a place where lawnmowers and leaf blowers are banned.)
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There's more to the economy than "jobs." At some point the income paid to workers has to come from somewhere, and if it's going to represent a growth in real standards of living, it has to represent the addition of new, real value.

Which these roads would probably add. Or they might not, depending on how expensive their creation and maintenance would be, and how efficient they would really be in terms of energy production and environmental impact.

Really, there's no way to know from arm-chair guess-work. There will be variables, a lot of variables, big and hugely important variables, we just don't consider.
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Sep 21 2012, 10:43 PM
There's more to the economy than "jobs." At some point the income paid to workers has to come from somewhere, and if it's going to represent a growth in real standards of living, it has to represent the addition of new, real value.

Which these roads would probably add. Or they might not, depending on how expensive their creation and maintenance would be, and how efficient they would really be in terms of energy production and environmental impact.

Really, there's no way to know from arm-chair guess-work. There will be variables, a lot of variables, big and hugely important variables, we just don't consider.
I noticed something else with yours: how are they going to do that on freeways or bridges?
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@VladDrakken(DAK):
The truth is when we create new technologies that lead to job loss, humanity is bettered for it. When we switched from performing musicians to recordings, what did the musicians say? Job losses. When we created the printing press, did that increase jobs immediately? No, they made everything easy, but look where we are now.
Do not forget, when we planted non-genetically-modified crops the yield was lowered. But, that lowered crop yield was consistent over the years. It was sustainable and in the next few years created more crops than if they kept using GMOs.
Now to address all the concerns about energy production:
Assuming his claim that 3x the U.S power demand is produced by these panel-roads, and also assuming he didn't factor in night and cloudy weather, we can half that for night, and half it again for harsh weather conditions, and we get .75% of our demand produced. But those are extremely liberal estimates as solar panels are likely to become more efficient and energy is produced even at night and in cloudy weather, albeit in lower amounts. In other words, even with liberal estimates, it is still a fairly viable alternative energy source, although we may still require extra energy. Such such small amounts of energy could easily be filled by wind and geothermal power, though.
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