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| Please HELP Stop Animal Testing!; Sign this petition, WE ARE SO CLOSE TO STOPPING IT FOR GOOD! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 11 2012, 04:23 AM (1,069 Views) | |
| SonicSynthesis | Jun 11 2012, 04:23 AM Post #1 |
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PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION! http://www.fightinganimaltesting.com/thank-you/?src=man People we are so so so so SO close!! let's make animal testing/animal tested products history by 2013. If we don't then cruelty like THIS will continue! http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Philosophy/Animal%20Testing/catsforcefedProctor-Gamble.jpg That photo is from a P&G testing facility! Those "proud sponsors of mums" can fudge right off! The cosmetics directive legislation was passed in Europe in 1993 to stop the manufacture and sale of animal tested products, these new cruelty free regulations were written into existing cosmetics safety legislations. But since then, unnoticed by many, the full implementation of this legislation has suffered delay after delay for 2 main reasons: 1) big companies (namely -cough-proctorandgamble-cough-) lobbying for a delay in the implementation 2)the slowness of the development of animal free 'alternative' tests. To cut a long story short, they're talking of further delaying it for another -TEN YEARS-. # |
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| Fwiss | Jun 12 2012, 04:16 AM Post #2 |
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Hmm, I really don't care about animal testing very much, but here's what I'm wondering. How can a cosmetics company test the safety of cosmetics without testing it on some organic lifeform similar to humans. Truthfully, the only alternatives I see are to use knowledge of chemistry, ie an entirely hypothetical test, or to grow tissue samples from animals and humans and test the cosmetics on those samples. The problem with this method is that we'd be unsure how the tested product would affect entire organs, systems, and organisms. It seems to me like consumer safety would be threatened by this new legislation. Of course, keep in mind that I know absolutely nothing about cosmetic testing and that I'm really just typing what comes into my head, so I'm not really arguing so much as I am typing my thoughts out. Of course, companies tend to be lazy and slow to change, and since (I believe) there are many cosmetic companies that don't test on animals, logic would tell me alternative tests exist with results comparable to animal testing. |
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| Wallace | Jun 12 2012, 04:27 AM Post #3 |
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Yeah, I'd think customer safety would come before the safety of a few animals. What, aren't the animals they use mostly little critters like guinea pigs and whatnot? See, if some of them died testing some new cosmetic product or medicine, I could totally live with that knowing that those scientists learned not to give that stuff to humans. That's kind of the point of animal testing, to scientifically test, in the simplest and most obvious way, how certain products affect humans by using creatures of similar anatomy to humans to check and see if there's any harmful side-effects. See, what protests like this tell me is that people are putting the life of some little critters who don't have nearly our mental capacity or value of life over the life of humans. Look, you got a problem with the treatment of animals who are used for animal testing? Press for laws that regulate how companies should keep, feed, and care for those animals, not for laws criminalizing animal testing altogether. It's just way too valuable to humankind, and really, if you think about it, not all that harmful to animals or even species as a whole. |
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| KogaHarine | Jun 12 2012, 09:19 AM Post #4 |
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Pretty much what Kale said. Yeah it sucks that animals get treated like this but honestly animals die all over the world just from being eaten or attacked or left for dead, etc. The needs of the few rarely exceeds the needs of the many and to be honest I'd much rather see less human death than animal death. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 12 2012, 10:43 AM Post #5 |
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Jesus Christ. Animal testing is a broad term that doesn't only apply to the cosmetics industry. It means using an animal for any kind of experiment. As a result, the species used for testing include but are certainly not limited to: flies and worms, rabbits, mice, rats and other rodents, fish, frogs, lizards, domestic dogs and cats, marmosets, macaques, chimpanzees, and other monkeys and great apes. It's not just rodents, not that being a rodent means it's okay to go through undue suffering. Also, there are already laws and acts on the books, as well as actual committees to oversee the soundness and ethics of various testing facilities. However, while citing for laws to be written is noble, it does not mean the act that has been deemed illegal has somehow dispersed and people don't do it anymore. Not every facility follows the laws, and it's these facilities that people who are against vivisection and testing usually target. I'm reminded of sheltered internet patrons I've argued with lately who think the Civil Rights Act of 1964 means racism is magically gone forever. Also, it is very possible to care about multiple issues. Calling people who care about the dark side of animal testing as having skewed priorities is retarded, especially under the ignorant implication that only guinea pigs are tested on, and because guinea pigs are not as mentally advanced as humans (newsflash: no animal is. Guess it's okay to microwave my dog then if I say I'm testing to see how long it takes for dog meat to cook), their potential suffering doesn't matter. I have opinions on both animal and human welfare and have done a few admittedly small things to act for both; this does not make me ignorant. Also, the circle of life is completely irrelevant to what is done when humans interfere in the life of animals in a laboratory. xP Overall though, while animal testing is a necessary evil for the safety of humanity, this doesn't mean that we should turn a blind eye towards unnecessary suffering and abuse done to animals in the name of it. Animal testing is ideally supposed to be done under conditions that minimize suffering, and the experiment's intent must be proven to be scientifically sound first. When the tests become unsound, or even when you start skinning animals alive or beating them for no reason, which happens fairly often in undisclosed testing facilities, it then becomes an ethical issue concerning animal welfare. So while I don't think we can or even should end animal testing altogether, turning a blind eye to it all because "hey, animals suffer all the time; who gives a shit?" is just as misguided a notion, and I'd argue more immoral. tl;dr: Watch the first part of The Plague Dogs under the knowledge that the author directly took the experiments and conditions you see in the beginning from a real laboratory that was shut down in part due to his novel. Report back on your opinion on undue animal suffering under the guise of science. x3 |
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| SonicSynthesis | Jun 14 2012, 03:25 AM Post #6 |
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Thanks BlizShadow, i'm glad someone is on my side. And to the others, there are plenty of non animal tested products out there that work, so human safety isn't an issue. Unless something is tested on a human subject, there can be know guarantee it is safe for humans, thus making the whole animal testing process completely pointless. All that death for nothing! I've been using them for months now and it hasn't affected my lifestyle. Yes i've had to give up some things that i like but at least i feel good about doing it. Main things i've boycotted are any P&G, Unilever or Nestle products. There are a few other smaller companies as well. And my god, whoever said it's part of the circle of life, you really are a moron. There is a very simple solution to the testing problem, and that is to use criminals on death row. They're dead anyway. Edited by SonicSynthesis, Jun 14 2012, 03:26 AM.
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| KogaHarine | Jun 14 2012, 06:43 AM Post #7 |
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I really need to not post when I'm tired... -_-; I guess I just spouted whatever came to mind first. My apologies. |
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| Breakfast Princess | Jun 14 2012, 08:26 AM Post #8 |
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Yeah, I'm pretty disgusted by what most of the above posts said, besides the first post and Blizshadow's. It just shows a narrow-mindedness as well as some sort of obscure quality most modern people posses that may or may not have a name (if it does, i don't know what it is), but i'm just gonna call it "Turning a Blind Eye to Something That Does Not Affect Me Because I Just Don't Care". Honestly, this just gets on my nerves. There are other ways to test products if not on animals. Animal testing is wrong, bottom-line, no ifs ands or buts about it. I actually read a joke the other day that was pretty funny. No, i'm not saying take it seriously. Anyways it was something like: "I don't know why innocent animals get tested on when there are prisons full of pedophiles and rapists." Haha, it's kinda funny. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 14 2012, 08:33 AM Post #9 |
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Yeahno, a criminal on death row is still a human being that possesses most of the rights still inherent to being human. Testing unknown chemicals on them would qualify as torture, and beyond being illegal it would be immoral as hell. I mean, why in the world do you think we mostly use lethal injection and not stupid shit like the electric chair anymore? Anyway, you're also wrong that we do not need animal testing. Animal testing is not only for cosmetics, but in things like genetics studies, biomedical research, toxicology. Hell, without animal testing, we would not be as advanced scientifically as we are today. You undoubtedly owe thanks to the animal kingdom for a vaccination or a medicine you've taken; animal testing is part of the very fabric of biology. Also, there are very few chemical products- animal tested or not- that are 100% without fail- guaranteed not to cause any side effects in all humans, whether minor or major. Everyone cannot take and use and be exposed to everything regardless of how safe a product's been deemed to be. These three inaccuracies right here makes it all the more ironic that you called someone a moron. BTW, don't call others a moron. =| |
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| SonicSynthesis | Jun 14 2012, 12:10 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah because what the convicts did isn't immoral... 90% of cosmetic testing these days is completely pointless. Things are continuously being tested on animals that have already been proven to be ok for humans. P&G still feed animals Duracell battery acid to see what will happen, rub bleach in kittens eyes etc. These animals don't have a voice and can't defend themselves, but you'd rather it happened to them instead of a serial killer, rapist, paedophile who has already been given the death sentence. If neither of those are an option then the people who are testing these products should be testing on themselves! EDIT: And out of curiosity, has anybody bothered to take 30seconds of their life to sign the petition? Or are you all too busy trying to tell me that murder is fine as long as humans aren't hurt? Edited by SonicSynthesis, Jun 14 2012, 12:16 PM.
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| Nico Yazawa | Jun 14 2012, 12:54 PM Post #11 |
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I will sign the petition. |
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| SonicSynthesis | Jun 14 2012, 01:09 PM Post #12 |
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Thankyou  Every signature counts
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 14 2012, 03:05 PM Post #13 |
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@ SonicSynthesis: Yes, I value human welfare over animal welfare (I admit, I will happily eat a McDonald's burger knowing full well that the cow that made it didn't get to my local restaurant in a humane way) and do not believe in the unjust torture of people regardless of their crimes; I'm sure you do too because I don't think you're sociopathic or bloodthirsty enough to toss chemicals on human beings yourself even if you knew they'd been convicted of a crime. I also don't believe killing an animal is murder; not only is that word legally unsound in this situation (murder is the lawfully unjust killing of a human being with intent to kill- has nothing to do with animals), but it is way too emotionally loaded to be needlessly thrown around. Let's be mature about this and not turn this into a circus. Also, I'm curious about your statistics. 90% of all animal testing is pointless? I don't believe you. Considering the breadth of fields that rely on animal testing of any kind and the potentially underreported nature of illegal activities concerning animal testing in some laboratories, I doubt such a figure is even possible much less able to be calculated accurately. All in all, you've gotten way too emotional about this and are now making implications and statements that are either untrue, unsupported, or very loaded. I signed the petition btw, but this doesn't excuse you from criticism. |
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| SuperShadowgal | Jun 14 2012, 05:09 PM Post #14 |
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I've been watching the thread closely. I was going to sign, but it won't let me, I keep getting an error saying I should check over my information again. EDIT: Actually never mind, I managed to get it to go through at last. |
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| KogaHarine | Jun 14 2012, 05:21 PM Post #15 |
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BTW I did sign the petition. Also I don't like much being called a "moron." (didn't notice this until earlier. Twas uncalled for and unwarranted as well as extremely offensive). Nor do I care for being called narrow-minded, etc. Personally I know that there's nothing much I can really do save for sign petitions and what-not so I really don't care either way about the issue. If it doesn't impact me I don't think about it much. Why? Because I have way more to think about than the cruelty being done to animals. Does this make me a bad person? No. I have a life just like everyone else (as well as the stress and worries that come with life) so to think about such things does not really cross my mind. If I was a more proactive member of my community then yes I would do more to help this. But fact of the matter is, I'm not. I already have enough on my plate to deal with and adding more just seems ridiculous to me. So I'm sorry if I seem to come of as being ignorant of the situation. Now do I agree with animal testing? No not in the slightest. But it's already been happening for years and what can a lowly nerd who works all the time do? Not much in my area as far as I'm aware. The most I can do is sign a petition and leave it at that. I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just clearing some things up. Now I'm not gonna look at this topic again just cause I can almost guarantee I will be getting some angry responses. Good day to you all.~ |
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