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Continuity/Why Shadow is a Hedgehog
Topic Started: Apr 11 2012, 05:08 PM (330 Views)
Brick Mage
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Well, this has probably been posted before... At some point. But, I just heard from a friend what seems to be the answers, so I thought I'd share in case anyone didn't pick up on this.
I'll try not to include any spoilers.
So...
Please excuse anything that might be technically be a spoiler.

Notice that in Sonic Adventure 2 that Gerald's design of the inner core of the ARK is heavily influenced by ancient echidna architecture, meaning that he visited Angel Island at some point.
The mural in the background of the Sonic and Knuckles' fight at Hidden Palace in S3&K depicts a heroic hedgehog defeating a monster that had stolen the Master Emerald.
Do the math.
The prototype of the ultimate life was designed simply the way that Professor Gerald could cram his technology into;
Whereas Shadow was designed with the prophecy's hero in mind... Considering it was obvious that the being depicted would hold great power.
Interestingly, though, the monster that held the emerald resembles Eggman and Gerald, so maybe Gerald mistook the picture for a monster powering the hedgehog up with the use of the mysterious emerald... Which is why the ARK and the Eclipse Cannon runs off of the Chaos Emeralds and Shadow can use Chaos Control.
Also, Shadow's spikes = Super Sonic's spikes explained.
And think of everything else; certain dialogue holds more weight under these conditions.

I don't know if this is common knowledge, but anyway, let's discuss novelty points of continuity such as this.
Edited by Brick Mage, Apr 13 2012, 02:59 PM.
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To be honest;


I have Sonic Adventure t 2, and I've never once thought the ARK had been influenced by ancient echidna architecture. Nevertheless, this is an interesting theory
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Special Operative Blaire
Apr 12 2012, 04:36 AM
To be honest;


I have Sonic Adventure t 2, and I've never once thought the ARK had been influenced by ancient echidna architecture. Nevertheless, this is an interesting theory
Oh my, I worded that badly. I was referring to the inner core... You know, the part with the snake tunnels and the shrine.
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This makes sense actually, as seen with Emerl (The Gizoid) and the Artificial Chaos, it would seem pretty likely that Gerald spent time researching the old echidna civilizations for some time, finding out what they did and why. So him finding a mural dedicated to a hedgehog as well as a prophecy involving it and taking that as inspiration would be pretty plausible to me.
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Pretty much official, if I recall correctly. Since Shadow's design is basically the same as Super Sonic's was, but black and red, this seems very likely. However I wouldn't call it common knowledge, more like a "when you see it" moment. Good find, though! :)
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Apr 12 2012, 06:11 PM
Special Operative Blaire
Apr 12 2012, 04:36 AM
To be honest;


I have Sonic Adventure t 2, and I've never once thought the ARK had been influenced by ancient echidna architecture. Nevertheless, this is an interesting theory
Oh my, I worded that badly. I was referring to the inner core... You know, the part with the snake tunnels and the shrine.
*thinks about the area where the Biolizard is fought in the game*


Ahhhh, now I see what you mean. xD
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Yeah, this would make sense. Although I do have one a question: why did not Gerald pose the ultimate lifeform through an ekidna? I still do not understand how a hedgehog was brought into this. It is probably in front of my face, so someboyd please remind me for it.
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My guess is that he saw the mural at you see at the end of Lost World, the one that apparently prophetically shows Super Sonic fighting Perfect Chaos and went from there. Though an echidna would be interesting to see...


My question right now is; Where in the hell did he get the idea for the Biolizard? I mean, you got this...lizard thing and I don't understand where the idea came from. It's just...I dunno.
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Apr 13 2012, 05:55 PM
My question right now is; Where in the hell did he get the idea for the Biolizard? I mean, you got this...lizard thing and I don't understand where the idea came from. It's just...I dunno.
Perhaps what happenned is that Gerald came up with the Biolizard on his own as a first attempt, before he found and researched Angel Island. After he did so, however, he scrapped the idea of a gigantic reptile and began basing his prototypes on what he saw in the murals, eventually resulting in Shadow.
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Gerald didn't use an echidna because there were only a few left, probably hanging around unfound on Angel Island.

But this raises the question: How did he get to explore around Angel Island so easily that he found Hidden Palace of all places? The few echidnas that would've been around at the time surely would've been setting traps to prevent potential pilferers of the Master Emerald, a few of which not even Sonic could escape from as would be seen roughly 50 years later. Indeed, how did they not run into anybody, but hey- they just happened to discover one of the most secret places on all of Angel Island?

And why would Gerald be inspired by something that he- as a scientific mind- would be more likely to conclude is silly Echidna legend than something of actual substance he could replicate, especially considering as far as we know, that's the only mural to have it and Super Sonic is never mentioned extensively if at all in his Battle journals or something? He talked more about of the Gizoid race than Super Sonic, because they were something he could do with; the Gizoids- and Chaos (whilst also in echidna legend, left actual damage behind that could be documented and is basically a Chao anyway; Super Sonic wasn't born when the mural was created)- were a more logical starting point for artificial life.

As far as I'm concerned, it's more likely that he found Shadow scrounging off the street or something and took him in, and that Shadow's upright spines are merely the result of Black Doom blood; some of the creatures in ShtH, like the Black Oaks, have similar looking spines or horns coming from their bodies.

But this also raises two other questions: Gerald took a real-world salamander for Biolizard because salamanders can regenerate limbs, which makes them a decent start for an experiment concerning immortality. Shadow, on the other hand, is a sapient hedgehog, and as far as we know, there are no real-life hedgehogs running around that he could beef up to the point that they would resemble Sonic and co.. So 1) Why would Gerald even start with a salamander if he was reportedly inspired by a golden hedgehog first after his travels to Angel Island? And 2) Where the hell did he get Shadow from? Was the dude sold as a baby for money or something?
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Apr 17 2012, 08:41 AM
Let me first say that, wow, this made me actually think about the whole matter, pretty impressive.



Gerald didn't use an echidna because there were only a few left, probably hanging around unfound on Angel Island.

I won't argue with that, the population would be too small, and even taking one would chop the populace too much... but then that leaves the matter below...

But this raises the question: How did he get to explore around Angel Island so easily that he found Hidden Palace of all places? The few echidnas that would've been around at the time surely would've been setting traps to prevent potential pilferers of the Master Emerald, a few of which not even Sonic could escape from as would be seen roughly 50 years later. Indeed, how did they not run into anybody, but hey- they just happened to discover one of the most secret places on all of Angel Island?

I know I am grasping at straws here, but didn't the Hidden palace background have a gaping hole? I know this sounds ridiculous too, but maybe G.U.N. helped Gerald in this regard, I don't remember if that is the case; but considering the technology Gerald and the other scientists had on the Ark, it would seem plausible for them to have some sort of equipment to track the geographical data of the island, and therefore the large expanse underground that is the Hidden Palace.

Of course, Just grasping straws here.


And why would Gerald be inspired by something that he- as a scientific mind- would be more likely to conclude is silly Echidna legend than something of actual substance he could replicate, especially considering as far as we know, that's the only mural to have it and Super Sonic is never mentioned extensively if at all in his Battle journals or something? He talked more about of the Gizoid race than Super Sonic, because they were something he could do with; the Gizoids- and Chaos (whilst also in echidna legend, left actual damage behind that could be documented and is basically a Chao anyway; Super Sonic wasn't born when the mural was created)- were a more logical starting point for artificial life.



As far as I'm concerned, it's more likely that he found Shadow scrounging off the street or something and took him in, and that Shadow's upright spines are merely the result of Black Doom blood; some of the creatures in ShtH, like the Black Oaks, have similar looking spines or horns coming from their bodies.

I think I get what you are saying, in case I don't get what you are saying, feel free to correct me; But I am sure Shadow wasn't found on the streets, but was made on the Ark by Gerald, the reason Shadow bears resemblance to the Black Arms can be found in Shadow (the game), where a cutscene reveals that Gerald struck a deal with Black Doom for a blood sample, on the condition that after the 50 years (which is the amount of time for the comet to return to earth), They would use Shadow to take over Earth. Why Sonic Battle never explained that part (with SS) is beyond me, then again, Super Sonic didn't even get a part in the game, the journal does mention how Gerald was looking at murals though.

Along with that, maybe he felt the whole thing with making his experiment into a hedgehog might work if it was in order to fulfill the prophecy.

Once again, just grasping at straws here.


But this also raises two other questions: Gerald took a real-world salamander for Biolizard because salamanders can regenerate limbs, which makes them a decent start for an experiment concerning immortality. Shadow, on the other hand, is a sapient hedgehog, and as far as we know, there are no real-life hedgehogs running around that he could beef up to the point that they would resemble Sonic and co.. So 1) Why would Gerald even start with a salamander if he was reportedly inspired by a golden hedgehog first after his travels to Angel Island? And 2) Where the hell did he get Shadow from? Was the dude sold as a baby for money or something?

Now you got me stumped here.
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It makes me sad that Shadow the Hedgehog's storyline was so.......ugh. I really wish that they would put some more information and time into the game, but that is another story. *coughShadow2cough*

Again, it is just a game series so I will not look too much into it.
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man i never knew this much about shadow i look at him in a different way now
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