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| The Whole Trayvon Martin Saga; Your opinion of what is going on | |
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| Lord Bowie | Apr 2 2012, 01:21 PM Post #1 |
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It has been hard to watch any news station without the media frenzy surrounding the death of Trayvon Martin, it's seemingly everywhere at this point in time. Today on facebook someone linked me to this article from Yahoo about how the media was playing up the case and "skewing the facts" and the like... I don't see how the facts have been too skewed, from the little I've seen and heard, I have heard Zimmerman on the phone with police dispatch talking about following Trayvon, and seen videos of a bald Zimmerman not looking battered or bloodied at all shortly after the incident as he was brought into police custody. While I agree that maybe the media has dwelled on this event too much, there are a lot of surrounding circumstances on the local level that were pretty shaky about Zimmerman's self defense from the start. First of all I like all of these articles trying to turn the issue to Trayvon and to the media for uncovering police corruption.. the initial statement was altered by the police (who originally wrote up Trayvon as a "John Doe" while also being quoted as saying "we knew who he was from the beginning" basically, and there is clear video showing that Zimmerman wasn't bleeding or anything and that he wasn't muddied or anything at all, the fact that the police would bring him straight to the precinct supporting that conclusion many have come to from that exposed video. Trayvon was also proven to be on the phone with a friend via phone records just before and as he was attacked, while Zimmerman was also proven to be on a phone with police dispatch, talking about basically stalking this kid prior to the incident. In the end Zimmerman ended up shooting Martin and should be prosecuted, and that's all there is to it no matter what the perception of the media is and no matter what people want to say about Trayvon, the fact of the matter is that against the whims of the police, Zimmerman continued to follow and eventually ended up fatally shooting Trayvon, the facts all support this, and in my opinion, the media did a good job exposing the police corruption trying to protect Mr. Zimmerman, the real criminal in this instance, because while I doubt Trayvon was an angel like some portray him.. he didn't seem to do anything to warrant getting stalked and shot. IMHO you can't claim any form of self defense when YOU are the aggressor, no matter what the surrounding circumstances are, and considering the fact that he was basically stalking this kid from the beginning, I see him as the aggressor, and very clearly so. -- There has been a lot of backlash and fighting and protesting, even bounties put on Zimmerman's head, which I don't advocate but people will likely turn vigilante if they think the local government isn't giving them a fair shake. This whole situation HAS gotten volatile and dangerous, but I'm not sure you can fault the media for that.. because sometimes the truth is something that will make people angry. Or in the case of what seems like everyone on Yahoo, the truth isn't the truth if you don't agree with it. Seriously those are people who probably don't think the Holocaust happened, judging by their comments. :/ |
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| Wallace | Apr 2 2012, 01:35 PM Post #2 |
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Speaking of bounties on Zimmerman's head, I remember hearing about this one guy on the internet who released Zimmerman's address, but it turned out he got it wrong, and I think the family who actually lived at the address he gave sued him for it. The whole thing truly is a sordid mess, but despite the fact that the media might be hovering on this case for longer than necessary, it's nice to see that actual truthful and informing news-telling still exists, when most important stories are usually thrown to the side in favor of gossip regarding celebrities. |
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| RabidChoco | Apr 4 2012, 04:44 AM Post #3 |
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Considering how long this drama has gone on, this is gonna be a screw-up to the scale of the Anthony case, or else we should just lump it in with the celeb gossip. One month out and I'm already sick of this. |
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| Wallace | Apr 4 2012, 02:53 PM Post #4 |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/apr/2/nbc-news-starts-probe-edited-zimmerman-911-call/ Apparently, NBC skewed the 911 call when they aired it to make Zimmerman seem racist. Doesn't at all justify the murder, but at least it puts at rest the main thing this was controversial for. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Apr 4 2012, 05:05 PM Post #5 |
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^ NBC's mistake does not eliminate the possibility of racial profiling on Zimmerman's part. The high number of calls he made to 911 about "suspicious blacks" in his own neighborhood over the course of a few years as well as the "fudging coons" comment means this facet of the case is still open. Furthermore, the police force's utter incompetence in handling the case- especially apparent in the fact that they drug-tested Trayvon and not the idiot who killed him- as well as certain online outlets' attempts to discredit Trayvon's reputation ("He looked like a thug", "He was suspended for weed consumption", "He shouldn't have been there in the first place", etc.) to basically justify's his life being taken do speak of a racial sentiment surrounding the broader scope of this case. This should not be ignored. It and anyone who's been speaking as such needs to be outed and shamed. I tell you, I've been pissed about how this case has been handled by the Sanford police, how Zimmerman has been allowed to walk away a free man, how racist sentiments have been being leveled at blacks from online outlets as if we're being "uppity" for no reason, the fact that Zimmerman- despite all of the easily-discredited lies coming from his defense attorney- even has any damn defenders, and overall the fact that it's been nearly a month since Trayvon's death and justice has not been served in the least. This is bullshit of the highest order. |
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| Lord Talancir D'Landior | Apr 4 2012, 05:52 PM Post #6 |
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And to think that this all started because of police and media mishandling. my stance on the matter is that people seem to forget that the court of public opinion (this includes you, MISTER PRESIDENT!) is irrelevant to the judicial court system. Innocent until proven guilty is supposed to be the maxim, but everyone -- everyone has jumped on each point on this case, be it fictional or non-fictional, and used it as fodder for their own platforms. This does no respect to either Martin or Zimmerman. What about the poor school kid who was burned by gasoline in Kansas City because it was "what he deserved?" What about the British tourists killed in florida because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time? How about the Marine Vet who was killed when police responded to his medical emergency? Let us not forget that there are numerous other crimes throughout the US that has occurred while this media circus has dominated the airwaves. Are the lives effected by said crimes any less important or devastating than the one in Florida? Do the lives of these people, and many others assaulted, raped, or murdered since Trayvon Martin's death, matter any less than him? Edited by Talancir D'Landior, Apr 4 2012, 05:53 PM.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Apr 4 2012, 06:26 PM Post #7 |
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Most people don't believe that their public opinion has any legal bearing on the judicial system; they understand this facet of our government, especially since they actually do want this to be tried by a proper court of law hence the overwhelming demand for Zimmerman's arrest and for the police to be held accountable for their mistakes. But I don't understand why this fact is relevant to people also having the right to speculate and hold an opinion on the events and the parties involved. You're perfectly right, "innocent until proven guilty" is a maxim of the court, but the public isn't the court. I'm perfectly free to say that Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter and thus should face the consequences regardless of what a court may say about him if he's ever tried. Also, I don't think it's ever fair to criticize people who get invested in high-profile cases as believing that the crimes that happen before, in the interim, or after do not matter, especially since it almost always unveils a hypocrisy on part of the accuser: I'm suspicious that you yourself are not actively following the three cases you've outlined above (much less the countless other crimes that happen daily), ironically cases I've also heard about and formed my opinions on. Also, high-profile cases concerning racial injustice, kidnappings, murders, and other violent crimes have been helpful in enacting legislation that has improved our lives over the course of time. |
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| Lord Talancir D'Landior | Apr 4 2012, 07:07 PM Post #8 |
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If you want to be technical, I've been intermittently watching two of three (the tourists and the school kid) for a while now. The third article I'd actually read this morning, and thought I'd post it among the examples so I wouldn't have to address accusations of partiality. Or so I hope. There is a distinction between opinion and judgement, which I think people will inevitably cross as emotions run high. It does no good to the shaping of opinions if facts are twisted to suit theories (or agendas). Was it right for Spike Lee to voice his opinion by tweeting Zimmerman's supposed address? Is it right for a bounty to be placed on a man who has not fled the country (Guilty until proven innocent, am I right?), and who has not yet been given enough suspicion to warrant an arrest? If Zimmerman is suspected as guilty, supported by evidence or possible motive, then I agree that he should be arrested. The demand for his arrest, however, has been made well before recent media 'revelations' that could have contributed to the creation of more informed opinions. There is no denying that opinions have been formed without knowing all facts in a case. If anything, I think there should have been a louder demand for restraint by everyone until all facts are presented and verified for their authenticity. |
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| Lord Bowie | Apr 4 2012, 10:35 PM Post #9 |
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This is where the wheels sort of fall off. How would know any facts in any level of this case without the media to relay them to the public as an information proxy of sorts. And "who has not been given enough suspicion to warrant an arrest" I don't know what you've seen but going by the police dispatch, phone records e.t.c. there is more than enough there to build a case that he pursued Trayvon... people have been arrested on far less before and if the incompetent police never take him into custody, if he is NEVER HELD ON TRIAL, he can NEVER BE FOUND GUILTY.. because of corruption in the law surrounding this case.. Never being tried and found guilty does not = justice and it certainly doesn't mean Zimmerman is innocent. People will take the law into their own hands when the government isn't doing its due diligence, and it has not. I agree that the Spike Lee tweet was asinine, but I like that there are people out there putting pressure on Mr. Zimmerman and the police and courts to get justice done.. If Zimmerman has nothing to hide he should agree to just go to trial and get those death threats out of the back of his head, if he truly believes he is innocent and if he is confident that the facts support that, he shouldn't have an issue in making that trade.. The problem being that he isn't confident in that, not only because of public opinion, but because his case is shaky at best, most likely because he did do wrong and he knows it. My favorite "testimonial" was the one of his father on FOX laying out everything that happened and how it obviously happened in detail including quotes and the like.. because you know.. he was obviously there and knows everything... /sarcasm Cases like these are always crap and they've all been handled poorly by their respective local governments, the level of media attention they get has no effect on that. I was really saddened by the Marine story when I heard about it for the first time though, that was the epitome of irrational and I hate it when cops power goes to their heads and they do what they do just to do it, like they're above the law. I heard one of my neighbors from a block away get blown away by a bunch of rookie cops at their front door.. sounded like a string of firecrackers going off, so at the time I didn't think much until police investigators showed up at my doorstep. Those police were put on leave but were never charged despite evidence that the police shot him in his back yard once, and then met a panicked, shot man, at his front door, ready to defend himself from unknown assailants, who were police, that ended up blowing him away in a flurry of bullets. When cops do something bad, like in the death of John Williams.. a wood carver in Seattle who was shot dead in cold blood on police dashcams by an officer in uniform.. it doesn't matter what evidence is there, if a cop is the focal point of a bad thing, they will pretty much always get off... and if the cops don't want something to happen, chances are it wont. :/ |
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| Lord Talancir D'Landior | Apr 5 2012, 05:12 AM Post #10 |
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short post because getting ready for class, but I don't see how "the wheels are falling off" if I think there should have been a demand for restraint. Perhaps if I said "in lieu of hasty judgements" it would have made more sense.
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| RabidChoco | Apr 5 2012, 05:49 AM Post #11 |
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My big issue with much of the coverage of the case is that said coverage is being presented in a manner that's almost deliberately inciting much of the outrage we keep hearing about, and focusing too much on frivolous details and tangential points. Yes, I agree that Zimmerman ought to be arrested. But Reverend Sharpton, Jackson... shut the hell up already. |
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| RabidChoco | Apr 11 2012, 03:04 PM Post #12 |
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Well, at THIS writing, Zimmerman has been arrested and formally charged. Just putting this out there. I still think this is gonna turn out like the Anthony case... |
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| Lord Talancir D'Landior | Apr 11 2012, 09:59 PM Post #13 |
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the conflicting reports that I've been reading is that he either was arrested (proactive law enforcement), or he turned himself in voluntarily. Edited by Talancir D'Landior, Apr 11 2012, 09:59 PM.
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