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| RektangleSquared | Jan 20 2012, 02:33 PM Post #1 |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 02:39 PM Post #2 |
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I can think of far worse days in American history than the enactment of a defense law with some admittedly shitty provisions in them. You know, 9/11 and all that. Edit: Wait, this guy is a NWO proponent?..... Edited by BlizShadow, Jan 20 2012, 02:42 PM.
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| RektangleSquared | Jan 20 2012, 02:46 PM Post #3 |
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It gives the president the right to kill anyone he wants. Far as I know, Papa Ph3nom wants nothing to do with the New World Order. Edited by RektangleSquared, Jan 20 2012, 02:48 PM.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 02:49 PM Post #4 |
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I know what the bill says. However, I also know that Presidents have had this so-called right for awhile now with other laws and provisions that haven't had as much limelight in the past. And yet I still disagree that the signing of this is inherently sadder than 3000+ people getting blown the hell up. I'm also wary of a guy who is into the whole NWO thing... and a Paul supporter. |
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| RektangleSquared | Jan 20 2012, 02:55 PM Post #5 |
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A Paul supporter is someone with brains. Better than Gingrich, Romney, and O'bummer for sure. I don't care about people having to leave a few babies at special homes, and being of the bisexual preference myself, I'm fine without all-marriage-rights. Partnerships are easier than marriages and less expensive. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 03:52 PM Post #6 |
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Most if not all politicians working today are just varying degrees of terrible regardless of the way they lean in terms of party. I admit, Paul has a few social ideas I agree with (someone please end the drug war), but his economics confound me- hard money and "free market" ideas mainly- and I'm not willing to endure the latter just to let people smoke grass, although frankly I think bureaucracy would get in his way and stop the bigger inanities anyway. Still, I'm not taking a chance on any of the GOP nominees. They're all shit, entertaining debates notwithstanding. Also, civil partnerships don't afford you the same financial and social privileges officially married couples can afford because there's no federal recognition. So if you get a partnership in the few Northeast states that recognize your partnership, that's great! Just don't live anywhere else. This is why LGBT people have been fighting for federal recognition of their marriages; I myself- a straight person- find the whole set-up immoral. And really, if there's anything the US should know by now, it's that "separate but equal" is a sham. |
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| RektangleSquared | Jan 20 2012, 06:44 PM Post #7 |
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Are you saying the system of which LGBT has to live under is immoral? I understand somewhat. I don't want to speak farther on that as I'm unsure which you're saying is immoral. But yes, Paul seems to know what he's doing in most cases. But I agree with what you're saying about him. I'm just saying it's him or the destruction of our country/beginning of dictatorships/more wars we don't need to be in. Almost every other ruling hates us because we're one large military base, and quite frankly, a bunch of assholes who can't keep our noses out of unrelated affairs. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 06:53 PM Post #8 |
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The current system of marriage recognition we have is immoral. Everyone should be free to marry whomever they want either through religious or governmental institutions, and subsequently everyone should be afforded the same marriage rights throughout the county; equality and all that. Obama did something good in this regard by at least getting rid of DADT. S'far more than the current crop of GOPers would ever do as well as Paul since he feels this is a states' rights issue which is generally the problem we have now. Anyway, Paul doesn't know what he's doing. Like I said, good on a few social stances, particularly shit everywhere else; not an appealing third option at all. Also, we're not on the verge of a dictatorship, and if anything our international image has improved from the shift of Bush to Obama. |
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| Brick Mage | Jan 20 2012, 07:12 PM Post #9 |
I'll be there every step of the way...
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Bliz, I'd like to hear your economic opinions. For many reasons, but mainly because I know very little about economics. If you wanna bother explaining, that is. And yeah, NDAA is horrible and stupid. I think this guy in the video's exaggerating, but, ya know. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 07:34 PM Post #10 |
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I'm actually not too well-versed in economics, at least enough to have paragraphs upon paragraphs of explanation. I've heard of and discussed some of these concepts on a basic level and have simply found them not my cup of tea; I'm pretty sure Lord Shen could give better explanation to these concepts if not outright destroy my stances in the process. Anyway, to me, "free market"/laissez-faire/trickle-down policies seem to reduce bureaucracy with the trade-off that corporations aren't overseen by the government, all under the premise that their lack of inhibition to invest in the economy will somehow pour all this wealth back onto middle-class and poor people. Well, American corps are currently enjoying some of the lowest tax rates and freedoms we've ever had, but the middle class's wealth is not improving and hasn't been for quite some time. There's an immoral amount of wealth disparity between the classes because the richest aren't giving back to the degree proponents say they should be under these circumstances. They're putting that money away and saving it, and then have the audacity to outsource jobs in the process. I mean hell, I don't consider myself callous, but I've driven by many a poor person without a moment's notice, even though economically there's a shorter gap between me and a poor person than there is between me and a top earner. So why would in the world would I inherently trust some fat cat with billions to give a shit about me or any of the other millions of poor and middle-class people? I don't, so to me, these policies only seem to rig the game in favor of people who already have an excess amount of money. As for hard-backed money, I'm even less knowledgeable about that, but it seems the problem is that it would make a currency static. Instead of a bill's worth being based on how much is being printed, it would instead be based on something tangible and with a set worth, like gold. That certainly gets rid of inflation and deflation problems caused by the Fed's printing, but what happens when another tsunami occurs or we get into another war or a drought happens? You can't adjust well for random variables in the economy like that because there's only so much gold in the world; it's not unlimited. I'm all for fiscal responsibility and everything, but having hard-backed money seems like as much recipe for disaster as anything the Fed can do. |
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| Lord Bowie | Jan 20 2012, 09:52 PM Post #11 |
What is the difference between a duck?
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Ron Paul has a draconian pre-FDR pro-Pullman view of the world and our nation where there is no regulation and we can be sold tainted medicine, bad food, and can be owned by the companies we work for. He has some philosophically good ideas but most of his ideas take America back into the past instead of pushing us forward. Pure Capitalism is horrible for people just like Communism in how it was enacted in that everyone is worked hard and the non-regulation of purecap essentially puts people in their graves faster.. Pullman was just a commune with a different name afterall. Besides, nothing in Paul's outrageous ideaology can be enacted.. the president is not a dictator, it's not what they say that goes.. they have to deal with congress.. just like Obama.. And I don't think it's fair to say that someone is so different (and by different in this case I mean super-ultra conservative) that they are not part of the government.. Dr. Paul has been in the government for FOREVER, it is truly his prime occupation since his days as a medic in wartime. He is just another politician, only his views would be the most extreme we've had since the likes of Woodrow Wilson or Hoover. I wish people would learn from history, deregulation doesn't protect from depression and recession, it only helps to create market chaos that sends nations into it. Over regulation isn't good either as moderation is needed but I would sooner have Obama than anyone in this republitarian circus. To say the Paul supporters are "the ones with brains" makes you sound just as foolish, stupid, and closed minded as those you claim who are against Dr. Paul.. And I don't mean to be mean, but I don't take half-assed political talk lightly. I like his hard money proposals, I like his vocal stance against SOPA and PIPA, And while there is still a little more good in there I respectfully disagree with pretty much everything else. ... That being said I'm not a NDAA supporter, and I don't like it.. but I know that I personally don't have a thing to worry about as I'm no engaged in activity deemed suspicious in regards to terrorism. P.S. The president isn't granted the power just to kill citizens, they're granted the power to ARREST people and hold a trial, as outlined in the constitution. Seriously, the public option =/= death panels just like the NDAA =/= President instantly killing people. |
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Jan 20 2012, 11:06 PM Post #12 |
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The only thing I like about Paul is his stance on hard backed money. Don't have much else to say about him since I don't know all of his political stance but that is one I agree with. And Bliz, we've had hard backed money before and I believe the British pound is backed by something too, they seem to be doing fine. |
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| Brick Mage | Jan 20 2012, 11:20 PM Post #13 |
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See, this claim is among the claims that make economics so difficult for me; the next gal will tell me that they're actually taxing them too much. I don't deal well with blatant contradictions, and that seems to be prevalent in anything political. Not to say you're wrong, because I doubt you'd lie and I especially wouldn't know anyway, but rather to say simply that I see contradictions like this in almost every political discussion. But, regardless of actual statistics, I see the point made. As well as Bowie's. Interesting stuff, and as far as I can tell, I agree. But I guess experience and education will have to craft my own personal opinions... Bleh! Thanks for bothering to post all that, by the way, haha. Edited by Brick Mage, Jan 20 2012, 11:25 PM.
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| Lord Bowie | Jan 21 2012, 12:27 AM Post #14 |
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 Share of national income taken by top tranches of earners  Relative increases in net household incomes of Americans from 1979 to 2005 Judging by those graphs alone.. is it fair that the average joe and below gives up nearly a fifth of their income to taxes compared to the tenth or lower than the rich and super rich are getting. Anyone who thinks the corporate tax needs to be lowered isn't seeing the facts. Why don't we start by getting rid of stupid loopholes.. A tax break just for owning a corporate jet??? really? These graphs alone prove two things.. ONE - The rich are more well off than they have ever been. TWO - Capitalism is obviously still working just fine despite our "socialist" president and his "socialist" "capitalism killing" policies. In fact, it's working BETTER than in recent memory. |
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| RektangleSquared | Jan 21 2012, 04:14 AM Post #15 |
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I'd like to start to start this post off by saying I apologize for using such a barbaric propaganda tool as "people who ____ are the ones with brains". That us highly untrue. Second, I really should have put a question mark in the topic title. Third, Jesus! You know a lot, sirs. I admire thou who doeth the research. Contributing to the topic: Yes, he was exaggerating. But it's still truth. :/ |
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