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| Anonymous Hacks FBI/DoJ; Federal Websites Hit with DoS attack | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 20 2012, 09:45 AM (966 Views) | |
| Lord Bowie | Jan 20 2012, 09:45 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/01/20/anonymous-hacked-justice-dept-fbi-s-sites.html
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/20/business/megaupload-shutdown/?hpt=ju_c2
Well.. this is both hilarious and dangerous on the part of the hacker group.. just because they remain faceless doesn't mean they can't be found out. But I like that they sent a message that there is something out there that can sort of keep them in check.. like a warning shot. The FBI and DoJ need to know that they can be made as vulnerable as everyone else so as not to abuse their standing.. I mean seriously, that event was a huge overreach by our justice system. |
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| RektangleSquared | Jan 20 2012, 10:07 AM Post #2 |
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Anonymous is an incredibly huge group. They range from hackers to supporters to activists to protesters, so on so forth. It's literally impossible to take them all down. Trying to take down each and every Super Hacker in the group is like finding Osama over and over again. It's ridiculously hard with all the tricks up their sleeves and intelligence levels. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 10:11 AM Post #3 |
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As far as I know, the people who did this aren't really real "hackers," more like "script kiddies". It doesn't take much to DDoS a site, much less track down who does one. The real hardcore hackers- like the people behind the PSN debacle- are pretty rare. But in light of SOPA and all the bullshit it's brought, as well as the fact that Anon have targeted SOPA supporters as well... I'm okay with this right now. |
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Jan 20 2012, 10:24 AM Post #4 |
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Yeah that's what they want you to think but this is the real world not some game like they think it is. I hate SOPA as much as anyone else but I hate these guys more and I really hope the Government puts a butt ton of these ass holes in jail. They aren't helping anyone out, they ruin things for people and try to mask it by saying, "Oh we're doing it for the people". Yeah effing right, they're only in it for themselves. Edited by Neo Metallix, Jan 20 2012, 10:27 AM.
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| Lord Bowie | Jan 20 2012, 10:43 AM Post #5 |
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Like I said, their actions ARE dangerous, especially for themselves, but what they did do in making a statement (which was mostly harmless in execution) is what all activists strive to do, and it's what can be left in the history books. Anon has had its good and bad times but I am in complete support of what they did in protest to the actions of a justice system that is overstepping its bounds. You can't be afraid or unwilling to send a powerful message if you stand to be affected by something, and we can't let this precedent that the US can just step into any foreignly hosted site or any site on a neutrality based internet and take it down because they don't like it just "be because it is." It is dangerous of our government to do these things, and even if they had good intentions in doing what they did, they have severely undermined the internet and arguably some international law in the way this was handled. |
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Neo Metallix |
Jan 20 2012, 01:48 PM Post #6 |
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I'm not in support of it. I'd rather they burn for all of the crap they've put consumers through. They are over stepping THEIR bounds just as much as the Government did and they really aren't any different than the Government. Two wrongs don't make a right. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 01:53 PM Post #7 |
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I still can't use this.
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You can't take the moral high ground like this whilst saying you'd rather Anon members burn. |
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Neo Metallix |
Jan 20 2012, 01:58 PM Post #8 |
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Pointing out the truth is not taking a moral high ground, especially when I just said I'd rather see them burn. Anonymous is just a shit organization that bullies around whomever they want if they see it fit. Internet bullies are all they are, cowards at best. That is all, no point in detailing how they have ruined things for people in the past for their own pleasure. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 02:03 PM Post #9 |
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You didn't point out a truth; you falsely equated some DDoS attacks on websites to the government infringing on your rights and circumventing net neutrality laws in order to invoke the "two wrongs don't make a right" routine. True, both acts are illegal, but beyond that are about as comparable as a cat scratch to a tiger mauling. But none of this is relevant to my stance that you saying you'd rather these people burn than sic some bots on websites is also morally reprehensible. |
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| Spartan 418 - Vaivata Kekacauan | Jan 20 2012, 04:20 PM Post #10 |
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Honestly, for me, this is the first I've heard of these 'Anonymous' people, but from what I just read, it seems like they're either skilled hackers, Smart techy people, or both. Though, in my opinion, I Support Anon in their actions, Like BlizShadow said about their protests, compared to The Gov taking down MegaUpload, is just a kittens scratching, compared to a tigers mauling. Also, In regards to this bill thats supposedly going to stop any and all possible copyright infringement; I CANNOT WAIT till the gov gets a slap to the face from it's people. Can anyone say 'Verbal B*tch Slap'? The most that bill may do, at best, is provide jobs for people to scour the ENTIRE Internet for things that can be seen as copyrighted. And even then, probly only long enough to find all the major problems. So, SOPA can kiss the U.S.'s @$$ for all I care, I support these Anon guys, and hope they continue to verbally slap the gov over the internet. |
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| Brick Mage | Jan 20 2012, 05:28 PM Post #11 |
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Can someone clarify to me whether or not the popularized "Anonymous" hackers are related more than just superficially to 4Chan? Anyway, yeah, this is just... Ugh. I feel like there was a time where the entertainment market and illegal downloaders could co-exist peacefully... For the most part. Obviously, this all roots back to SOPA/PIPA. But frankly, Anonymous or not, I don't feel the internet is something the government can just black-out. The U.S., among other countries, is filled with internet loyalists, and something that popular, people-run, and worldwide is very difficult to undermine. I'm not really worried for now. This sort of change is hard to initiate, it seems. Of course, I could be wrong... I just wish I knew more. |
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| Ark Rotarl | Jan 20 2012, 05:45 PM Post #12 |
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The reason Anonymous is known for as you would put it "internet bullying" is because any shithook with an IP address can jump online, make up some twist of an alias, and claim they are Anonymous without any true evidence that they are apart of the internet power that is. That's the way Anonymous works. There's no registration forms, no secret meetings with brief cases and planned discussions, it's just whoever wants to claim they are Anonymous automatically and indisputably becomes affiliated with such a group. Pinning Anonymous with every caveat, con, and bully as its escutcheon is hardly a fair way to look at such a group. There are plenty who do better to represent the name and handle Anonymous who represent the freedom fighting side of the people. Now, while I don't advocate the idea of bullying or trolling someone on the internet as an ideal pass-time, it's not what Anonymous is founded on or ideally represents. Every organization has its own foot-scum once it becomes big enough, and since there's no such thing as regulation to become apart of this organization (if we can call it that since it hardly ever is organized), anybody with a mean streak and a desire to make someone writhe in their office chair can join. No one's spoken to about joining, it's just a raw decision. The leeches, criminals, and morons spouting nonsensical complaints of society who joined the protests at the occupy movements give them a bad image in a VERY similar way. (Using this as an example of course.) Of course, anyone with a brain knows not to discredit any affiliate for the few who wash the good name in filth. But let's face it, humans are imperiled at their sick, obsessive draw to negativity and disaster. We see a problem of such a minor scale and it outweighs the good because it's what we don't want that stands out more than what we do want. |
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| Lady theori | Jan 20 2012, 06:18 PM Post #13 |
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Holy crap, I was wondering why Imgur was posting epic images of Anonymous working with 9gag or whoever. This is incredible. Props to them. I think it's wonderful how SOPA is bringing the entire internet together (except a few tards on Twitter who still think SOPA is soap spelled incorrectly). Metallix - And by doing it for themselves, they're also doing it for the rest of the internet who also hates SOPA. They are the lesser evil in this case and I stand behind them 100%. |
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Neo Metallix |
Jan 20 2012, 06:30 PM Post #14 |
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Don't fool yourself, they never were out to fight for freedom or help anyone. That's just a facade they put up to cover their true intentions. They are motivated by hate and there are a lot of bad things going on in the world but they choose only to fight what inconveniences them. It's a B.S. organization and if they really wanted to fight for us they'd be in Washington or somewhere else organizing a protest, talking to representatives, etc. Overloading a few servers isn't going to show the FBI ANYTHING! Yeah, they really showed them all right! That's really going to stop SOPA from passing. Essentially they've done absolutely nothing. What you say is true, however. Anyone can claim to be them and members of their organization(if you can call it that) can do whatever they want, it's uncontrolled. This was just a DDoS attack, nothing fancy, but they do have members that are very skilled as well. Edited by Neo Metallix, Jan 20 2012, 06:37 PM.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jan 20 2012, 06:40 PM Post #15 |
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The thing is, Anonymous is in a position more unique than any other group you can compare them to, (Occupy and their "99%" angle probably being the closest but it's not honestly a perfect parallel): they thrive on a model of extreme inclusion. Literally anyone can become Anonymous, which means they ultimately stand for very little. Even with a few platforms under their helm they lack a definitive mantra other than "We do whatever we feel is right at the moment," meaning the negative consequences of a member or splinter group's actions are just as valid to the group's identity as any of the positive ones, (and certainly with hindsight, one could argue that they've done just as much if not more harm than good in the fight against, well, The Man, I guess). But to rectify this and clean up the ranks is to go against the very core of Anonymous. It's a real catch-22, but one they and their supporters should have the balls to welcome regardless. Personally, Anonymous don't bother me much, with the exception of that whole misguided effort to "expose security leaks" by bringing down innumerable gaming websites that most people on their side use, because the underexposed fact of that debacle is that the public is still morally obligated to do the right thing. Even though I have a personal responsibility to lock my door, leaving it unlocked doesn't give thieves carte blanche. But I digress, they don't affect me often so I tend to look at them on a case-by-case basis. Them going after SOPA/PIPA people? Sure, what not?! F*** SOPA/PIPA. |
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