Metal Sonic or Sonic: which one is stronger?

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Metal Sonic or Sonic: which one is stronger?
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Fwiss	Oct 26 2011, 05:55 PM Post #1
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,567 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,080 Joined: June 18, 2008 Gender: Male Steam ID: fwiss1174	My friend and I were just talking about this. Which one would be stronger(Metal Sonic referring of course to Sonic CD or Sonic OVA's Metal Sonic)? The question would be stated better as: Who should be stronger? I believe that the OVA stated Metal Sonic was stronger, but I feel like if you were to write the series, who SHOULD be stronger in a. A real environment. or b. A simple, audience-based Sonic audience. These 2 scenarios seem to have different answers for me. In scenario A, the ideological arguments ("New and Improved" on the side of Metal Sonic and "Original is Better" on the side of Sonic) would not apply, nor would the reality of the canon. In this scenario, the question should be: 1:Which has more potential? and 2:Which is more adaptable (at a quicker pace)? Naturally, we would put Sonic's intelligence on the level of human, not hedgehog. But that raises questions when a robotic comparison is factored in. Human observation is more intuitive and each component is individually quicker than a computer or robot could ever hope to reach, yet it has gigantic flaws in practical applications that is outside this scope. The build of Metal Sonic has so many variables that I almost don't know where to start. First off, how far should computer intelligence go? We know it's not as malleable as human observation, it may have its advantages in one aspect: Sonic was not designed for fighting, but Metal Sonic was. First improvement Metal Sonic has over his organic Jack-of-All-Trades counterpart is he doesn't need a complicated digestive or immune system. It's obvious he is given his food (Rocket Fuel, electricity) in advance to his battles with Sonic. Fuel storage may take up more space than human storage does while the complicated mechanics of it will probably take up less. So I suppose we could call the digestive system more or less a point with no net gain on either side. Assuming that waste disposal is much easier for robots than organic creatures, he may also effectively eliminate a waste disposal system for a large part. Adding in the lack of reproductive system and lack of even the slightest need for immune system, Metal Sonic frees up a lot of his weight for any useful features he may need to fight Sonic. Even if computer observation is flawed (in analyzing fighting styles for example) Robotnik may have programmed useful information into Metal Sonic prior to any battles, and Metal Sonic lacks any distractions like the Sonic does, so his observation may be on par with Sonic's. Next to mention that Metal Sonic may have expansion slots (for things like extra arms, arm guns, rockets for a speed boost) which could help him adapt to his environment better than Sonic could (at least physically. Sonic may have the mental advantage and cunning to use his environment, but in real robots environment usage is one of the first and most important things programmed, effectively making the two on par). I can't think of any physical adaptability that Sonic has, though. Onto scenario B! While the ideological points might matter a bit more here, I still would rather not go into them. Let's just assume they cancel each other out (Metal Sonic's black shield is kind of ambiguous, so I'd love to learn a little more about that). I suppose in the fictional Sonic universe, in terms of intelligence, Metal Sonic would have more orthodox battle-based knowledge (along with great knowledge of physics), and Sonic would have his spunky usage of the terrain to help him out (It would be helpful to assume that the 2-dimensional levels are more like a view of what Sonic than the actual look itself, E.g some random objects in his path he doesn't see because it's too easy to get around them, or the terrain is bumpier in say GHZ, but looks like a straight path to him because it's not bumpy enough to be shown. Since Sonic can simplify things {as most humans can}, he has the advantage of using his terrain in new and innovative ways). I guess in terms of speed, the canon would matter. That's a bit difficult. In SA2, he was a slight bit faster than sonic and could jump higher (leading to irritating glitches), and in Sonic R he was faster too, but Sonic Rivals gave me doubts. Canonically, Metal Sonic did not have expansion slots, yet in Knuckles' Chaotix, he obviously had some kind of transformation ability. Weird. What do you guys think for either scenario? I probably left a bit of stuff out, and I don't know about Metal Sonic's speed in Rivals. Edited by Fwiss, Oct 27 2011, 03:09 AM.
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Neo Metallix	Nov 4 2011, 01:25 PM Post #2
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Eren Jaeger	Nov 4 2011, 01:35 PM Post #3
"I will kill ALL of the Titans!" Posts: 2,305 Group: S Rank Hero Member #12,433 Joined: October 2, 2011 Gender: Male	It would make sense to say that Metal Sonic is stronger, faster, and smarter than Sonic in every possible way, but for Sonic to always beat him, it just doesn't seem possible. However, in the movie, it required Tails assistance to actually deal some damage, but Metal died on his own accord. So this is a more debatable topic than I figured.
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Gunbuster	Nov 4 2011, 01:58 PM Post #4
HARD WORK AND GUTS. Posts: 258 Group: B Rank Guardian Member #12,498 Joined: November 4, 2011	Metal Sonic is, in statistical aspects, far stronger than Sonic. But her suffers from that low traction on the ground and also a seemingly limited power supply (as far as plot is concerned, anyway... he could land up running out of batteries one minute but have a Chaos Emerald powering him, the next.) Also, as a robot, Metal Sonic typically follows logic a lot more than instinct. Which Sonic has usually been able to take advantage of. Metal Sonic attacks full force, Sonic figures out how to avoid his attack and beat him.
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Sonic 2	Nov 4 2011, 04:02 PM Post #5
=SB= Sonic Logic Theorist. Posts: 647 Group: S Rank Knight Member #10,296 Joined: August 29, 2009	Something hit me about this: in Sonic CD, Sonic can run at full speed into a wall and be just fine. Metal Sonic on the other hand runs into one and breaks into pieces. Now for seriously, I think at this point they are somewhat equal except in one quality mentioned. Sonic has more cunning then Metal. I am actually curious as how M&S: London 2012 is going to solve this, sense Metal Sonic might need to be tuned for balance. But if Generations is something to go by. Metal Sonic can tire out or at the very least over heat from over exertion of machine parts. So that is something.



Gunbuster	Nov 4 2011, 04:10 PM Post #6
HARD WORK AND GUTS. Posts: 258 Group: B Rank Guardian Member #12,498 Joined: November 4, 2011	Metal Sonic has never really had ALL of his advantage on Sonic on him in one game. He's either only got higher acceleration, higher top speed, more strength or something like that, but we haven't really seem him with all these abilities, barring cutscenes or plot devices.
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