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| Plothole Discussion; Discuss holes you've noticed in Sonic games and possibly shed some light upon them. | |
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| Tammy | Jul 22 2011, 02:05 PM Post #1 |
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This might or might not have been done already, but hey. We all know by now that Sonic games aren't exactly known for their amazing plotlines. Multiple holes and contradictions have been made over the course of the games. Let's talk about a few, and see what everyone has to say. One I learned about recently while I was having a chat with Fastest Thing Alive: In Sonic Adventure, Knuckles follows Eggman into the Station Square Hotel dining room to fight Chaos 2. FTA said that it just randomly came to him one day-- Why the hell was Eggman there in the first place? If Knuckles hadn't shown up, then Eggman would have just led Chaos into the room, transformed him, and left. It seems kinda pointless considering that he could have just warped himself to the Egg Carrier and transformed him there. Or he could've just done it as soon as he acquired the Emerald. Other famous plotholes, problems, and just plain WTF moments include Eggman's moon-kaboom in SA2 and how it pretty much just screwed physics over big-time, Babylon's Discuss. |
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| Breezy | Jul 22 2011, 03:32 PM Post #2 |
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Oh that blowin' up the moon bit. Why Eggman? Why? Honestly though, wouldn't blowing up the moon cause the tides to just go insane and possibly cause a flood of some sort? And of course in the games following the moon is just fine. There are many other plotholes that I questioned but none of them come to mind right nao. Guess Ill come back and post em when they pop back up in this vacant head of mine. |
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| Tammy | Jul 22 2011, 03:37 PM Post #3 |
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Fair enough. And yeah, even half the moon blowing up would cause quite a chunk of the earth's population to die from flooding. |
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| ShenziSixaxis | Jul 22 2011, 09:28 PM Post #4 |
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Someone on the Sega Boards hypothesized that, because zones regenerate from damage, that the moon is a zone, explaining why it's okay. /random info |
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| ChAoSBounD | Jul 25 2011, 09:11 AM Post #5 |
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What about Sonic 2006? There were alot of plotholes in that disaster game, knowing one of the biggest is Silver giving the Blue Chaos Emerald to young Elise in the past. |
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| Tammy | Jul 29 2011, 07:56 PM Post #6 |
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I already mentioned the Blue Emerald loop. And honestly, if we were to list all the plot holes and overall problems with '06's story, we'd be at it for quite a few pages. |
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| Theodore | Jul 29 2011, 09:59 PM Post #7 |
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And this is reason 1 why time travel in Sonic '06 makes no sense. Also the entire "blowing out the flame" thing. If they went back in time to change the past, then a future version of them would have had to come back in time to blow it out when she was a kid then, and the entire series of events that had them go back in time wouldn't have transpired, but they did. Thus, the flame was blown out and wasn't blown out at the same time. Schrödinger's cat anyone? |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jul 31 2011, 06:03 PM Post #8 |
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The Rogues' ancestral background isn't a plothole but something fascinating I find criminally underrated: The ancestral Rogues were indeed aliens who merely crash-landed on Earth, but their technological prowess impressed primitive civilizations who, in their ignorance, couldn't come up with proper understanding of the aliens other than to call them and their practices magical; e.g. they were dubbed "genies" by the locals, and since wish-givers apparently come from space, wishing on shooting stars became a product of genie legend as well. That's fairly unique. Also, I don't know why the Blue Emerald is such a dilemma anymore when Shadow essentially exemplifies the same thing by going back to Aquatic Base even though his past self still would've been cryogenically frozen at the same time. If we assume time is perfectly linear, then the Blue Emerald Elise had is merely a copy running concurrent with the original's travel through time until the game's end where it disappears. If that sounds complicated, just look at this. Not only is the Flames of Disaster candle susceptible to the above point as well, but if I recall correctly, Elise and Sonic extinguished the flame outside of time. They weren't in any sort of discernible era, but a point of singularity that had been caused by Iblis and Mephiles fusing in the first place, so at that point there really wasn't a separate timeline for Schrodinger's Cat to even come into play. And finally, Eggman being at the hotel is just a big coincidence, not a plothole. The only inarguable plothole that has been mentioned in this topic is the moon bit. |
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| Pedruben | Jul 31 2011, 07:57 PM Post #9 |
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Maybe he was hungry. Or in a hurry to see the effect of the second emerald and choose a empty place to summon Chaos. It sounds less like a plot hole and more like a out of/in character moment question. For the moon plothole there also the big chunk of rock that would fall into the Earth and kill city easily and if chaos theory say anything is that the mon it self could had fall into the planet. Maybe that's where the planets on Knuckles and Rouge moon levels come from. The moon explosian seems more like an excuse to show the cannon working, witch in itself it was a MacGuffin. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jul 31 2011, 08:13 PM Post #10 |
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Blowing up the moon wouldn't fully necessitate the Earth getting hit by something big enough to cause severe damage. Also, I'm fairly sure the ARK's mini-planets, in their specific shapes and environments and connections, aren't random chunks of the moon. |
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| wowzaa1 | Jul 31 2011, 08:18 PM Post #11 |
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I think blowing up the moon would cause a lot of damage, I mean it's already close its not some asteroid it might not burn up in the atmosphere. Though maybe I did not calculate or anything
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| D-Metal X | Jul 31 2011, 08:26 PM Post #12 |
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While it's not known exactly for certain, as the moon has never been blown up, some scientists have hypothesized severe damage if it does happen. If it was blown up by the Eclipse Cannon, those moon chunks would reach Earth and fill the atmosphere, possibly blotting out the sun and causing severe climate change. The Earth would spin faster, as the moon's gravity drags it down slightly, and the axis of the Earth's tilt would change, causing seasonal changes as well as changes in temperature all around the world. That could possibly affect ecosystems by making the temperatures too hot or cold for many lifeforms to withstand and they would die off and the food chain would get quite ****ed up. This is in addition to the tidal effects, which would certainly be disastrous at least for marine ecosystems. Of course, it's all theory and there are many different kinds, but a whole moon destruction would cause SOME damage. |
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| Radar | Aug 1 2011, 02:15 AM Post #13 |
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Here's an interesting question that went over in my mind for a while... In Sonic Adventure 2, news reaches Eggman that Tails has been awarded a Chaos Emerald for saving Station Square, which is generally to be assumed for Tails' actions in the final boss of his story in SA1. Immediately after Tails' + Sonic's stories at least, comes into play Perfect Chaos, who needs to be taken down by Super Sonic. I'm not entirely sure what happens to the emeralds afterwards, but if they get shot across the planet (which always SEEMS to happen): 1. How the hell would Station Square have the chance to give Tails the emerald, even if it did just randomly appear in Station Square? 2. If Super Sonic saved the entire city from a flood, and Tails saved ONE part of the city from Eggman's machine, why the hell was the emerald given to Tails in the first place? |
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| Pedruben | Aug 1 2011, 05:05 AM Post #14 |
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Maybe Sonic didn't receive a prize because he didn't what it. In the end of SA1 instead of watching has the remaining people thank him he just run of to another adventure. Maybe they wanted to give him something and he just didn't accept it. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Aug 1 2011, 08:57 AM Post #15 |
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You're asking how Station Square would've had the chance to give Tails an Emerald even if they had an Emerald to give??? Also, Super Sonic didn't actually save Station Square from the flood. Regardless, neither of these are plotholes either. =( |
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