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To join, or not to join; something I have noticed
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L Dragon	Jun 13 2011, 02:43 PM Post #1
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	I've been noticing that people have a habit of saying that they are going to join an rp, not posting a bio at all, and then they never do or they forget about it. I'm making this topic so everyone is aware of what will be happening and to have a little discussion about this. I'm tempted to add a Code Blue effect... What does this mean? Haha! I just made it up, but what it will mean is simply this. Code Blue: RP Knights have the right to delete or edit a person's post that states they are looking to join the rp but have not posted a bio nor did they ask any question pertaining to the rp. In short, I want to stop the 'I might join this rp' nonsense. It doesn't help at all and it only adds clutter to the rp topic or sign up topic. If you are going to join, then post a bio sheet of your character. If you're thinking about join but aren't sure, then don't post at all. If you feel that it is extremely important for the rp creator know you want to join but aren't sure, then pm the person that you might join in later. It is annoying when you get three people saying 'I think I'll join this.' or 'I might join this.' or 'I think/might join this, let me get a character ready for this.' only to have half of those people that actually posted a bio sheet in the topic rping. So please, do not post that you might or are going to join. Either you join the rp, or you don't. Which means, either you have your character's bio ready and post it then and there, or you get your character situated and THEN you post in the topic. Ultimately, just because you posted 'I think I'll join this' doesn't mean you've actually joined the rp at all. It only leaves clutter. Actually posting your character means your joining the rp. Now, for certain rps that require a first come first serve aspect, you would still pm the rp creator saying you might join. Again, that doesn't mean you've joined the rp. Once you post your character into a rp thread, that means that you have joined the rp. So, my only discussion topic as of now would be this, what are your thoughts about this? As well, and most importantly, what are your thoughts about Code Blue? FINAL REMINDER: You do not join a rp by saying 'I might join this' or 'I want to join this.' You join a rp by posting your character into that thread. It is up to you to stick with it or leave.
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Lord Tora Unlimited Crusader	Jun 13 2011, 05:14 PM Post #2
【The Knight of Tigers 】 Posts: 5,462 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,733 Joined: March 17, 2008 Gender: Male Country: Australia 3DS Friend Code: 0404-6433-6113 Steam ID: crusaderandtimothy	Well, it's got good points and bad points. One one hand, 'maybes' give the RP maker a ballpark figure of who's likely to join the RP... But on the other hand, yeah, I'd estimate 50-60% of people who say they 'might' join an RP never end up doing so. Hrmmm... Yeah, the clutter aspect is important too, especially since people always flick back to that part of an RP thread to check character bios for descriptions and stuff. I think it's definitely an idea worth exploring at the very least. If it's implemented, I'll support it. nod nod
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Phoenix-Saturn	Jun 14 2011, 08:40 AM Post #3
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	As someone who does often say "I'm thinking of joining this", I don't particularly recommend this. When I say "Save me a sport" or "I think I might join", usually I will and require time to think about a character to use or create a complex bio if one is needed. I realize this isn't true for everyone, but I more often than not will. I'm thinking that if you say "Might join" three times and don't end up joining, then Code Blue can be implemented. But it shouldn't be banned outright.
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L Dragon	Jun 14 2011, 08:53 AM Post #4
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	Thank you TUC, glad to see some feed back on this. Also, I myself have done this a few times P-S, and I my self have not joined when stating I'd join. But yes, I like this 'three strikes' bit. Kinda like I normally give three verbal warns before issuing an actual warn. NOTE: I pinned this so people could know about this Code Blue order and how it works. Once we tweak it I'll edit my first post and throw in the details we are discussing now. Its important that people see this so they are aware of it.
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Ludichaos	Jun 14 2011, 09:21 AM Post #5
[Outrealm Vagabond] Posts: 4,994 Group: C Rank Legend Member #11,272 Joined: July 25, 2010	Hm... I really don't know about this, L. I know personally I give the 'I might join this RP' line when I'm considering joining something but I'm not entirely sure. Sometimes I want to see whether there's actually going to be enough interest in said RP before I commit myself to it 100%. But usually I am genuinely interested in them when I do that. Generally speaking, my 'I mights' are never 'Save me a spots'. If they filled up all the spots while I was still thinking about it, that's my loss. But making it so you simply can't do this seems a little off to me. The sign-up topics are kinda there for that purpose. If you wanted to make it so it was just a quick reference for bios and whatnot, what I might suggest is removing the 'clutter' after everything has been sorted out in the eyes of the RP creator. Also, posts which say 'I am joining, give me a bit to think of a character' should be allowed as they give other possible players an idea how how many slots are open in an RP. If it's all done via PMs something could get lost in communication and people may think there's more spaces open then there really is. Some people can't just make characters up like that, y'know? In the end I feel this should probably be something that comes down to the RP Creator themselves instead of having the RP Knights step in just because. If they express that they would like posts like that not to be included in their topics, so be it. If they're fine with it, leave it be. One way to get around the clutter issue is for the RP Creator to post a link to each bio or copypasta them into spolier tags in their opening posts, but maybe that's just me. shrug But I guess ultimately I have no say over this. So whatever.
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L Dragon	Jun 14 2011, 09:51 AM Post #6
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	Of course you have a say, tis why we're having a discussion, silly man. Anyways, I understand what you're saying. However, most of the time the rp creator will see 'I might join this' as 'Cool I got one person.' As well, other people will think that this person will join, only to be disappointed when that person doesn't. Then the nagging begins asking said person if they are joining or not, to which they might reply with a no and more disappointment sets in. Now, I know this is just one side of this scenario. However, when you get about three to four people saying 'I might join this' it gets annoying and frustrating. For one, the new members and those that aren't really faithful to said rp, see someone post this and do the same, stating they might join. This leaves the rp creator at a stand still because he/she doesn't know if they are actually joining, or if they aren't joining. Ultimately, you either post that you are joining or you don't post at all. You don't have to post 'I might join this' to see who'd be interested. Just keep your eye on the topic, simple. No need to give said rp creator hope, only to decide against joining. Now, stating that you'll gather a character and will soon post it, that I can see as sound and I might have stretched it on that part. So yes, that seems to work since said person is declaring that their character will be in this. However, would people use that as a 'I might join' phrase inadvertently? Maybe I'm over thinking this, but I'm simply pointing this out because I've seen a lot of this going on and I would like to bring it back to the basics so the speak. You either join said rp, or you don't. Also, another point about 'fixing a character' for said rp. If said person states 'I'm working on a character so give me a few,' and that person was worried about joining that rp from the start, the rp creator now has to wait for said person to fix there character up when they could have started the rp already. As well, stating this becomes pointless if the rp creator gets enough people to start the rp and starts, and two days later the person posts their character and joins the fun. It didn't change the timing of their entry because they stated 'I'm gonna join this give me a few to make character.' And lastly, should they state that, and said rp creator doesn't feel like waiting for that person cause they got enough people, said rper might not want to join now the rp already started and is on its way. I know we have faithful people that when they say they are going to join, they'll join. However, I believe it will be better if we just go back to the basics. You either join the rp or you don't. No waiting around for someone to gather their character, no playing a guessing game between rp creator and rper, no false hope setting in, and everyone will know who is in for sure and who isn't. Edited by L Dragon, Jun 14 2011, 09:55 AM.
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Silv�	Jun 14 2011, 02:19 PM Post #7
Trying to go with a theme this time Posts: 3,032 Group: E Rank Legend Member #11,365 Joined: August 31, 2010	I see your point, but maybe if people followed a certain standard it'd make things less confusing. Like so: If a member has a Bio up waiting for approval, they're willing to join. If a member clearly states, "Save me a spot" They mean that they will have a bio up, but not at the moment. If a member says something like, "I might join", that does NOT mean they WILL join. (This is where Code Blue can be implied) Everything else should be self explanatory. I noted where Code Blue can be applied, but I also have a suggestion. Instead of giving the RP Knights this ability, the topic creators are aswell delete unnecessary posts at their discretion, making the burden on the Knights less.
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L Dragon	Jun 14 2011, 02:28 PM Post #8
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	My whole point is this, what is the point of saying 'save me a spot' when most rps are open to all anyways. Its pointless to ask for a spot saved when anyone can clearly join at any time. Now, for rps that will be private rps and the rp creator will only allow a certain number of people, than yes, a 'save me a spot' is in order. As well, the rp creator now has to wait for said person to get their bio up, which could leave to the rp dieing before it even starts. Also, members can't delete anyone's post, period. The rp knights are rp mods, which allows us to do the deleting, moving, and editing of posts and topics, as well as locking topics. However, we are only moderates of the rp section. This is where Code Blue would come in, because the rp knights already have that ability, follow?
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Wallace	Jun 14 2011, 04:57 PM Post #9
Break out the L-word. The other L-word. Posts: 1,889 Group: S Rank Hero Member #11,873 Joined: February 24, 2011	I'm thinking that whether this Code Blue be used should be up to the creator. Maybe simply saying something like "I would like Code Blue to be enforced" on the opening post or even in the topic description. I can understand why people would want this, but a lot people may not really care for it and would rather take their chances with the people who say "I might". Basically, I think it would be good to implement, but it's enforcement should be up to the individual creator.
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Lady Miracle	Jun 15 2011, 08:50 AM Post #10
[insert something cheerful here] Posts: 8,037 Group: Former Monarchs Member #9,289 Joined: August 20, 2008	I'm gonna go with Chaos-san on this. :/ This is how I see it. I understand the point being made. I understand it can get frustrating or annoying, but I don't think it's something for the Knights to decide. I have posted "I might join this" kind of posts and on most occasions (every one as far as I'm concerned, actually) I HAVE joined in. I don't do it as a "save me a spot" kind of favor (when I want that, I actually SAY "save me a spot"); I just do it to let the RP Creator know that at least one person has an interest in his/her idea. Further to this, while this may not apply to you and a couple other people, some members like hearing this at the very least. I mean, I've thought of making RPs several times, and I know that I'd much rather have a couple of "I might join this" rather than a blank thread, even if the RP never really hits off. At least I knew there was a chance at some time and I can try again later when there is a sign that more people could be interested in it, or when I have modified it. Also, I'm sure that --while probably not often-- it HAS happened before that people post their bio as a sign they're joining and end up disappearing or dropping out early. So it really should be up to the RP Creator to decide whether or not this should be allowed. If it isn't, then maybe they can just notify a Knight with a "Code Blue" PM or something and the clutter could be removed afterwards.
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L Dragon	Jun 15 2011, 09:43 AM Post #11
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	Swat, I'm liking these ideas and I believe this will work. So yes, I agree that the rp creators have a choice to order a Code Blue. Or rather, they pm a rp knight with a Code Blue 'alert' and go from there. While I understand having 'I might join' can seem better than nothing at all, the same goes for the opposite. Also, at least if someone has posted their character and they disappeared, the rp creator doesn't need to wait for said person to post their character or aren't sure if they are joining or not. Anyways, I believe we have this all in order and figured out. So, I will lock and pin this topic and changed the topic title along with my first post to explain how the Code Blue order works, as well as mentioning that it is optional. Thank you everyone for your help. You guys are so helpful, so thank you once again.
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HollyYoshi	Jun 15 2011, 04:30 PM Post #12
I object to your claims Posts: 15,025 Group: =SB= Queens Member #9,640 Joined: January 9, 2009 Gender: Female Country: United States of America 3DS Friend Code: 1891-1489-0768 Nintendo ID: Agent_Blaire Game Currently Playing: Yoshi's Island	I'm with Mira and Chaos on this one. While generally I don't say stuff like that and just post my bio right off the bat when I want to join an RP, I can see how people would be so hesistant to join one that they put in a 'maybe' post, perhaps to let the RP creator know that they have a potential person for thier RP. I know if I got a whole bunch of 'maybes', that would make me feel better than no one showing interest at all, even if my RP never got off the ground.



L Dragon	Jun 15 2011, 09:35 PM Post #13
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	I changed me mind. Instead, I'll lock this topic and simply not make a code blue. Majority rules here it would seem, so it wouldn't make sense make Code Blue since not many agree with it. Thanks for your input everyone, it helped a lot and it is much appreciated.
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