Is the President of the US viewed incorrectly

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Is the President of the US viewed incorrectly
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Fwiss	Jun 1 2011, 03:50 AM Post #1
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,567 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,080 Joined: June 18, 2008 Gender: Male Steam ID: fwiss1174	In less than a full year, campaigning will begin. For most people, this means voting for our president, a four-year ritual meant to decide what party controls the nation for the next four years. But should it really be that important? I believe the President is viewed completely wrong by the public and by mass communication media. The president is the head of the executive branch. Our constitution clearly states this. His duties should be to focus completely on affairs in the executive branch, i.e law enforcement, national defense, and domestic affairs. However, most people view him as the man to make their personal agenda on controversial topics a reality. For example, separation of Church and State is not related to executive powers in many ways. Enforcing this may be, but it is ultimately up to the two houses, the Waffle House and the International House of Pancakes, and the Nacho Supreme Court to decide. But if he was only meant to carry out executive duties and not political ones, why was he given power over Congress? Here's where the constitution stays silent. Based on previous information, though, we can only assume that he is allowed to veto laws so that he can stop laws that interfere with his executive duties and allow laws to pass so that he can fulfill his duties. We need to stop thinking of the President as the most powerful force in the country in furthering a political agenda and see him as the constitutional founders intended. If you wish to further your political agenda, be a responsible citizen and simply do a little more work. Research your state's Congressional candidates.
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Phoenix-Saturn	Jun 1 2011, 07:26 AM Post #2
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	In Canada, we don't vote for our Prime Minister. We vote for a representative, and the leader of the party, provided he/she is voted into a riding, becomes Prime Minister. Your system is different. Quote: Article II of the U.S. Constitution vests the executive power of the United States in the president and charges him with the execution of federal law, alongside the responsibility of appointing federal executive, diplomatic, regulatory, and judicial officers, and concluding treaties with foreign powers, with the advice and consent of the Senate. The president is further empowered to grant federal pardons and reprieves, and to convene and adjourn either or both houses of Congress under extraordinary circumstances.[3] Since the founding of the United States, the power of the president and the federal government have grown substantially[4] and each modern president, despite possessing no formal legislative powers beyond signing or vetoing congressionally passed bills, is largely responsible for dictating the legislative agenda of his party and the foreign and domestic policy of the United States.[5] The president is frequently described as the most powerful person in the world.[6][7][8][9][10][11] So essentially, your President controls his party, which in turn allows him to directly influence whatever laws are being brought up. So yeah, he has power, even though it's not exactly formal.
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Zak	Jun 1 2011, 10:48 AM Post #3
For The Circle Posts: 4,002 Group: D Rank Legend Member #9,748 Joined: February 10, 2009 3DS Friend Code: 1118-0225-4062 Steam ID: zakth686	Aha, that was clever my friend. He may not hold all of the power, but the president does hold a heck of a lot of it. It's still necessary to pay a whole lot of attention to who we pick to lead, he controls one third of the government basically by him self give-or-take a bit. You're right in that we shouldn't attribute all our issues and hopes for government completion to his authority, but we still need to focus on him a lot, and the public is doing that.
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Silv�	Jun 1 2011, 11:00 AM Post #4
Trying to go with a theme this time Posts: 3,032 Group: E Rank Legend Member #11,365 Joined: August 31, 2010	I think the system does its best to support the idea that every seat in every branch of the government is equal in importance, but I think it's the trend that the president's party is elected into a majority of seats after he's chosen for office that it seems he's the head honcho.
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Fwiss	Jun 1 2011, 04:40 PM Post #5
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,567 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,080 Joined: June 18, 2008 Gender: Male Steam ID: fwiss1174	But the thing is, you just saw a summarization of his powers in the second post. I'm not trying to say he has little or no power. On the contrary, I'm saying he is using his power incorrectly. In other words, most American people view him as a U.S version of Prime Ministers, but the truth is that that's not his purpose. He's seen as the head honcho, but he shouldn't be. He's an executive; his job is to execute laws, but he vetoes laws he doesn't agree with, but he should only veto laws that get in the way of executing laws that have been passed. In other words, the only reason he's given lawmaking power at all is to prevent laws that are impossible for him to execute.
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Phoenix-Saturn	Jun 1 2011, 08:11 PM Post #6
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	Yeah, well, he does what he does. Also, the Prime Minister here doesn't veto laws; he helps create the first drafts of laws with his Cabinet.
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Lord Bowie	Jun 1 2011, 10:32 PM Post #7
What is the difference between a duck? Posts: 4,799 Group: Former Monarchs Member #7,312 Joined: April 10, 2008 Playstation Network ID: Allbowdown Xbox Live Gamertag: allbowdown	The Presidential role has expanded in a sense yes.. but the President isn't the most powerful force in government, All of the true power of the nation lies in Congress.. The President can PROPOSE legislation (not enact it) and can veto laws that conflict with the party stance or w/e.. The president's power is checked by Congress.. who may try to impeach him, and by voters who will side against him if they dislike what he is doing. Our system is all like one big game of rock paper scissors.. Executive beats Judicial, Judicial beats Legislative, Legislative beats Executive.. they all have constitutional abilities that allow them to tap one another. A president essentially can not preform beyond the spectrum of the abilities constitutionally given to him.. he or she can do whatever they want with their power, BUT everything they do is subject to being blocked by voters or the court just as the president has no legislative power (like the VP). All a president can do is influence things.. and the president should be allowed to influence because a leader that can't influence is a leader that cannot lead.
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Katsuko	Jun 2 2011, 01:55 PM Post #8
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	Because the president is the leader of the country as both the chief diplomat of the government and the head of the entire federal bureaucracy, the president has significant symbolic power regardless of the formal powers delegated by the Constitution. Even if he chose to keep his trap shut about policies, that in and of itself would be a statement on his part about the direction of his administration. The delegated powers in the Constitution only dictate the way government structure itself operates, not the political or personal power politicians can use to influence popular opinion through "the bully pulpit." To put it another way, a climatologist's job description may be to study the weather, but that doesn't mean it's inappropriate for people to expect him to give an opinion on global warming policy. Quote: But if he was only meant to carry out executive duties and not political ones, Also, the president does exercise significant policy-making power through his informal influence in congress, formal legislative vetoes, bureaucratic/judicial appointments, and (Constitutional or not) executive orders. To pretend that these have no applications to the implementation of law is silly. Quote: Based on previous information, though, we can only assume that he is allowed to veto laws so that he can stop laws that interfere with his executive duties and allow laws to pass so that he can fulfill his duties. My impression was that the veto power was installed to prevent legislative abuse in a Montesquieu-style of checks and balances. From whence comes this limitation of the veto? Edited by Katsuko, Jun 2 2011, 02:15 PM.
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Phoenix-Saturn	Jun 3 2011, 11:48 AM Post #9
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	My impression was that he vetoes whatever the hell he wants.
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Lord Bowie	Jun 3 2011, 04:53 PM Post #10
What is the difference between a duck? Posts: 4,799 Group: Former Monarchs Member #7,312 Joined: April 10, 2008 Playstation Network ID: Allbowdown Xbox Live Gamertag: allbowdown	All a veto does is send legislation back down to Congress where they make revisions proposed by the president and then vote it back up through both houses again.. but if a movement is really popular with the public and it gets vetoed, that would be like a death sentence for the pres... he's not overpowered.
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