The original Call of Dutys are the best.

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The original Call of Dutys are the best.
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HyperShadow55	Mar 10 2011, 12:57 PM Post #1
Hydrocity Act 1 Posts: 99 Group: C Rank Adventurer Member #5,296 Joined: January 22, 2008	WARNING. Contains Rant. I am probably one of the few gamers you will see who were a fan of the franchise before it became "popular." Let me tell you this, ever since Modern Warfare came out people have praised the Call of Duty series. So I tried it out for myself. When I popped it in for the first time. I was disappointed. Not because it was modern, because it strayed away from the honor sense behind being a soldier on the front lines. For example; Call of Duty 2 (And Big Red One for the consoles, excluding the 360 version.): I started playing Call of Duty back on the computer when the first Call of Duty came out. It pissed me off now that Infinity Ward turned its back on the WWII themed games. That's what they started with, the original fans of the series would agree with me. This is the game that pretty much made me hate the franchise now; That was the last straw, now Call of Duty is about action, non stop action and movie like climaxes. The originals weren't about that. They were about the valor, sacrifices, and honor that the Allied soldiers put into winning World War II. Until Infinity Ward returns Call of Duty back to what is was, I will never play a Call of Duty game again. On a side note, I did enjoy how Treyarch made World At War. I was pleased with it. Edited by HyperShadow55, Mar 10 2011, 01:08 PM.



Crooked Axle	Mar 10 2011, 01:14 PM Post #2
I seem to be all out of fucks Posts: 1,180 Group: A Rank Hero Member #11,124 Joined: June 9, 2010 Gender: Undisclosed Game Currently Playing: Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn	I doubt you're the only one who thinks like that. However, I find myself disagreeing with you completely. I've played every CoD game and I have to say, every game up to CoD4 made significant improvements on the previous games in the series. CoD4 was so highly praised because of these improvements. There were loads of improvements to the multiplayer, which is the main reason the CoD franchise is so popular today. People were getting bored of WW2 shooters. It had already been done to death, so Infinity Ward took a risk and it paid off. I noticed that you mentioned that you like World at War. Personally it was my least favorite Call of Duty game. It felt to me like a step backwards. The campaign was nowhere near as exciting and fun as Modern Warfare and the inclusion of tanks in the multiplayer just annoyed me.



HyperShadow55	Mar 10 2011, 01:18 PM Post #3
Hydrocity Act 1 Posts: 99 Group: C Rank Adventurer Member #5,296 Joined: January 22, 2008	Pearl~ Mar 10 2011, 01:14 PM I doubt you're the only one who thinks like that. However, I find myself disagreeing with you completely. I've played every CoD game and I have to say, every game up to CoD4 made significant improvements on the previous games in the series. CoD4 was so highly praised because of these improvements. There were loads of improvements to the multiplayer, which is the main reason the CoD franchise is so popular today. People were getting bored of WW2 shooters. It had already been done to death, so Infinity Ward took a risk and it paid off. I noticed that you mentioned that you like World at War. Personally it was my least favorite Call of Duty game. It felt to me like a step backwards. The campaign was nowhere near as exciting and fun as Modern Warfare and the inclusion of tanks in the multiplayer just annoyed me. WWII was what made Call of Duty, Call of Duty. Where's the sense of companionship between the squad-mates like we saw in the previous game. The thing I hated the most about MW2 was the story. It lacked depth. I noticed all the characters. No one cried or showed really any emotion when one of their fellow squad-mates were shot. Example was Ghost, no one gave a damn when he died. They just moved on. There was no emotion in it. Just mindless kill, kill, kill.



Lord Bowie	Mar 10 2011, 02:46 PM Post #4
What is the difference between a duck? Posts: 4,799 Group: Former Monarchs Member #7,312 Joined: April 10, 2008 Playstation Network ID: Allbowdown Xbox Live Gamertag: allbowdown	World War 2 shooters are so crappy, there were far too many of them between Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, and all the others, they all relived the same events over and over and over and over, the weapons were the same time in and time out.. and CoD has always had a crappy formula for its campaigns so honestly there's no significant difference between the two "eras" of the game. However I still find Modern Warfare and Black Ops to be overrated, they are above average polished shooters but I never found them to be all that special, Black Ops even less so because it's just Modern Warfare 2 with a new still crappy campaign and essentially the exact same multiplayer down to the very last bit of data. Nuketown is a fun map but a lot of the rest of the selections are mediocre for the most part. Even still, as underwhelming as the modern series may be, I would play them over the WW2 outcasts any day.. you play one WW2 or WW1 game and you've basically played them all, and what you're forgetting is that there is always a sort of sense of honor for going into war against anyone for any reason if you are protecting your countries interest, war is war, no matter what scale it's fought in.
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Lord Talancir D'Landior	Mar 10 2011, 03:44 PM Post #5
~ RP Knight ~ Posts: 2,394 Group: Former Monarchs Member #2,592 Joined: September 26, 2007 Gender: Male Game Currently Playing: All the games. All of it.	Speaking as a former soldier, I'd like to add my input. I realize the nature and intent of the original games. Hell, we were expected to be conversant with the combat lineage of the units we served in. Shall I tell you of the continuing glory of the 506th 'Currahees' Air Assault Regiment from WW2 through Operation: Iraqi Freedom year 3? How about the exploits of Attack Company (Mechanized Infantry), 1st Combined Arms Batallion, 68th Armor Regiment? Before we got traded to 1/68, we were in 1/8th Infantry Regiment, a unit with a lineage stretching back o the Civil War, when it fought for the Confederates; even further back, to the French and Indian War, when the unit fired its guns for King and Country? But, I digress. I completely understand how one would want to continually assault their minds with the glories of the past, but The Past Is Past. It was about time that the games focused more on living history, than the 'much ado' laurels of a passing generation. Its one that I lament, don't get me wrong. Major Winters is dead. But the unit he commanded still etches its name into history. Its only fair that the newer heroes get their time in the spotlight.the past is fading, and the future is now. We deserve as much a mention as our storied and much overdone lineages, and it could be said that your desire to see the past replayed, in lieu of the more modern games, is a slight and an insult. War absolutely sucks, and its a far different army now than when it was more than 60 years ago. Where's your bleeding heart for us? Edited by Talancir D'Landior, Mar 10 2011, 03:52 PM.
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HyperShadow55	Mar 10 2011, 04:02 PM Post #6
Hydrocity Act 1 Posts: 99 Group: C Rank Adventurer Member #5,296 Joined: January 22, 2008	As you are a veteran of the US military, I offer my deepest thanks for defending our country and your sacrifices you made. I do respect all soldiers who served. I just hate those who despise what the soldiers all together. They didn't anything to deserve those comments remarked by the protesters.



Lady BlizShadow	Mar 10 2011, 04:06 PM Post #7
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	The advancement of time in the newer installments is not necessarily mutually exclusive with either good characterization or a slower pace. Putting the MW characters on Normandy's beaches is not going to suddenly make everything all better. At the same time, there is no reason the overall narrative of the MW installments could not express the same themes as the originals. War is war regardless of if it's happening today or it happened 66 years beforehand, and there's camaraderie to be seen in all of it. Though Talancir does have a point-- It's very common to see the glories of WWII played up while the many wars afterwards and the soldiers who participated in them get the shaft. I'm not even a vet myself nor do I plan on becoming one, but for Pete's sake, even I'm tired of hearing about it. If nothing else, I would much rather see Six Days in Fallujah get resurrected than see the MW line get canned on the implication that only WWII soldiers can be honorable. Edited by BlizShadow, Mar 10 2011, 04:12 PM.
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Lord Talancir D'Landior	Mar 10 2011, 04:08 PM Post #8
~ RP Knight ~ Posts: 2,394 Group: Former Monarchs Member #2,592 Joined: September 26, 2007 Gender: Male Game Currently Playing: All the games. All of it.	Yes yes, but you didn't really answer my queries.
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Neo Metallix	Mar 10 2011, 05:02 PM Post #9
~Doomsday Overlord~ Posts: 15,568 Group: =SB= Emperor Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2006 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: Doc_Of_D Game Currently Playing: Tales of Xillia	BlizShadow Mar 10 2011, 04:06 PM The advancement of time in the newer installments is not necessarily mutually exclusive with either good characterization or a slower pace. Putting the MW characters on Normandy's beaches is not going to suddenly make everything all better. At the same time, there is no reason the overall narrative of the MW installments could not express the same themes as the originals. War is war regardless of if it's happening today or it happened 66 years beforehand, and there's camaraderie to be seen in all of it. Though Talancir does have a point-- It's very common to see the glories of WWII played up while the many wars afterwards and the soldiers who participated in them get the shaft. I'm not even a vet myself nor do I plan on becoming one, but for Pete's sake, even I'm tired of hearing about it. If nothing else, I would much rather see Six Days in Fallujah get resurrected than see the MW line get canned on the implication that only WWII soldiers can be honorable. WW2 shooters got stale last gen, but pretty much Modern shooters are the new WW2 shooters and they are getting stale as well. I don't think he's saying that Modern Warfare is bad simply because it's not WW2, he's also saying it's bad because it's shallow and poorly made. I have a feeling that "Future Warfare" will become the new standard replacing modern with the likes of Ghost Recon coming out with a future themed game.
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Lady BlizShadow	Mar 10 2011, 06:40 PM Post #10
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	Poorly made? No. The actual developmental work on MW sans the story is well above par. Whether or not it's setup will be enjoyable for you is another story. Regardless, the OP was complaining specifically about the narrative and characterization and directly equating that to the WWII setting. Read his first two posts; It's blatantly obvious the point he's trying to get across, and like I said, it's not a particularly good one. Replacing the setting and time period would be as much a game changer as changing Sonic's eye color and leg length.
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Fwiss	Mar 10 2011, 07:27 PM Post #11
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,567 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,080 Joined: June 18, 2008 Gender: Male Steam ID: fwiss1174	While I hate World at War and love Black Ops, I think it's good that Treyarch is catering to two different parts of the fanbase. Not like I play campaign mode anyway. It is a game after, all, nothing wrong with skipping out on the games you don't like. I play CoD casually. I do agree the whole craze itself annoys me, not the games.
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Nail Strafer	Mar 12 2011, 09:04 AM Post #12
Flying Battery Act 2 Posts: 1,218 Group: A Rank Hero Member #8,106 Joined: May 5, 2008	Quote: Black Ops even less so because it's just Modern Warfare 2 with a new still crappy campaign and essentially the exact same multiplayer down to the very last bit of data. Nuketown is a fun map but a lot of the rest of the selections are mediocre for the most part. If you look past the surface similarities, you'll find that MW2's and Black Ops' multiplayers have a lot of differences between them. In particular, Treyarch did a lot of great work towards making the gameplay fairer and balanced. Kills from killstreaks no longer add to higher killstreaks, launchers and claymores can only be replenished by dying, the sniper rifles can't be reliably used for quickscoping any more, there are very few spots in the maps where you can reliably camp for longer than a minute or so (excluding hardcore mode), the stopping power perk is gone, and there's a perk dedicated to reducing explosive damage (since explosions are very common in CoD). All of these tie back to balance issues with MW2, and I'm very happy Treyarch paid close attention to what the community wanted fixed after that game. They aren't big changes, but the core CoD gameplay was fine as is. Making little tweaks like this is all that's really needed if you ask me. If they gave more counters to the Ghost perk and nerfed the AK74 and the Famas, then pretty much every major balance issue will have been addressed. As for the core campaign mode and the story, I honestly wouldn't mind if they just stopped including one and focused entirely on developing multiplayer. Black Ops' campaign I played through once out of curiosity, then never touched it again after that.



King of Kings	Mar 13 2011, 08:24 AM Post #13
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,548 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,500 Joined: June 26, 2007	In my opinion, Call of Duty 4 was the pinnacle of the series. The previous Cod games were great, but the WW2 formula was running stale, so they took a huge gamble. While the story wasn't the greatest of the series, I think the gameplay really brought it to a new level. Particularly the multiplayer.



Lord Talancir D'Landior	Mar 17 2011, 03:02 PM Post #14
~ RP Knight ~ Posts: 2,394 Group: Former Monarchs Member #2,592 Joined: September 26, 2007 Gender: Male Game Currently Playing: All the games. All of it.	Yes well, seeing as the OP has not bothered to defend his position, and only offered me a token, knee-jerk thank you for 'bravely serving in his place' instead of answering my question, I deem that the rant has no thorough grounding. Thank you for your time. Edited by Talancir D'Landior, Mar 17 2011, 03:06 PM.
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