Shadow sucks!

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Shadow sucks!; it's true...
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Neo Metal Sonic	Jan 22 2011, 05:39 PM Post #1
Start Menu Posts: 1 Group: E Rank Adventurer Member #11,792 Joined: January 22, 2011	Let's face it - Shadow scks! And I don't mean just the game - his character is pathetic as well. Whether it's in the games or in Sonic X, Shadow is just plain annoying. First off, even from the start his character was usleless. I mean seriously - an evil/dark version of Sonic? Like we don't have Metal Sonic for that. And the guy is not even evil, he is just another emo who has serious emotional problems. Because of what the G.U.N. federation did half a century ago he hates all of humanity, conviniently forgeting that his creator and his friend Maria (his goddmn favorite word) were also "pathetic humans". "I did not come here for you, I came for the emeralds". Charming. And in Sonic X: the only reason he helped the girl Moly was because she reminded him of Maria otherwise we would just see another "hmph pathetic humans". And let's not forget how he showed the kindness of his heart by not letting Chris fall on the floor as if he hadn't just beaten the living h**l out of him. Not only that, one would think that he is suffering from amnesia - I mean seriously! How many times is he going to lose his memory? He lost it in Sonic X, Sonic Heroes, and Shadow the Hedgehog. It's not cool or mysterious, it just shows a lack of originality and recycling the same idea over and over again. He is also quite intelligent - he actualy believes the Eggman cares about him (coz if he did he would have told him everything about his past right from the start instead of using him, DUH). No matter how you put it, Shadow is just a cheap rip-off of Sonic. And I do mean CHEAP - he is a hedgehog (I know, how original, right?) he is not really fast, he needs his glider shoes to get some speed, his rings are the only things keeping him from losing power and he needs to recharge like a dead Siemens battery. Without this tech he would be useless. So do we really need an emo Sonic when the original is clearly superior?



Lady BlizShadow	Jan 22 2011, 06:11 PM Post #2
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	I am not angry nor appalled. Just bored. Really bored. I should really get back to the game design document... and some Small Basic... but I'm tired from that and the rest of the week...and getting into arguments over tired subjects with potential trolls is the only way to spend my time in my current energy state........ I'm gonna stop stream-of-conscious'ing now. Neo Metal Sonic Jan 22 2011, 05:39 PM Let's face it - Shadow scks! And I don't mean just the game - his character is pathetic as well. Whether it's in the games or in Sonic X, Shadow is just plain annoying. First off, even from the start his character was usleless. I mean seriously - an evil/dark version of Sonic? Like we don't have Metal Sonic for that. Because defining characters by broad tropes, ignoring the deeper facets of their characterizations, and subsequently using these generalizations as reason to call them useless-- because hey, we all know every* single character in a franchise must be absolutely unique and/or necessary-- is... a rational thought process? Hey shouldn't you be advocating that Knuckles is useless too? I mean, using your own logic, Metal Sonic came first, but he's nothing but a rival, and Knuckles is nothing but a rival too, so -- Whoosh-- Out goes the echidna! We don't need him! Useless! And the guy is not even evil, he is just another emo who has serious emotional problems. I'm not sure you're using "emo" in the correct context or that you even know it's not 2005 anymore. Yeah-- surprise! The whole "vengeance" arc has been closed and ignored...for nearly six years. Because of what the G.U.N. federation did half a century ago he hates all of humanity, conviniently forgeting that his creator and his friend Maria (his goddmn favorite word) were also "pathetic humans". "I did not come here for you, I came for the emeralds". Charming. And in Sonic X: the only reason he helped the girl Moly was because she reminded him of Maria otherwise we would just see another "hmph pathetic humans". You don't have to literally hate everyone to be a misanthrope! S'kinda like a sliding scale. Like theism and atheism... Maybe that's a bad analogy?* And let's not forget how he showed the kindness of his heart by not letting Chris fall on the floor as if he hadn't just beaten the living hl out of him. While that's highly simplifying and perhaps skewing the issue, Shadow's simply not...a kind character. What, does every character have to be Sunshine Care Bear to be considered good? Not only that, one would think that he is suffering from amnesia - I mean seriously! How many times is he going to lose his memory? He lost it in Sonic X, Sonic Heroes, and Shadow the Hedgehog. It's not cool or mysterious, it just shows a lack of originality and recycling the same idea over and over again. He didn't lose his memory twice in the games, just once. (Big hint: The story arc carried over from game to game. He didn't gain his memory back, then lose it again). Anyhoo, you're right. Recycling ideas is bad. So Knuckles should stop being gullible. And Eggman should stop trying to go for Eggmanland. And Amy should stop trying to get Sonic to reciprocate his feelings. And Sonic should stop going on vacation. Cause recycled ideas? Baaaad. He is also quite intelligent - he actualy believes the Eggman cares about him (coz if he did he would have told him everything about his past right from the start instead of using him, DUH). Wut? No matter how you put it, Shadow is just a cheap rip-off of Sonic. And I do mean CHEAP - he is a hedgehog (I know, how original, right?) Ummm. So's Amy. So, I guess we can call Amy a rip-off and get rid of her too? I have a friend who would be very happy to hear that.** he is not really fast, he needs his glider shoes to get some speed, Um, isn't the notion that he isn't fast a difference from Sonic, meaning your conclusion is... well, horrifically unsupported? But before I get to the next part, another Big Hint! Your conclusion that Shadow needs the gliding action of his air shoes is based on proof you can't come up with because it doesn't exist! his rings are the only things keeping him from losing power and he needs to recharge like a dead Siemens battery. Without this tech he would be useless. So do we really need an emo Sonic when the original is clearly superior? Um, isn't the notion that he has a severe power deficiency a difference from Sonic, meaning your conclusion is... well, horrifically unsupported? Wow, feels like I'm repeating myself here. In short, your entire argument is based on unsupported conclusions, generalizations, grave oversights, simplifications, false statements, and overall a horrible understanding of the character.... nods. Yeah, I'm done here. Edited by BlizShadow, Jan 22 2011, 06:17 PM.
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terminallyCapricious	Jan 22 2011, 07:15 PM Post #3
hOnK HoNk Posts: 252 Group: B Rank Guardian Member #10,819 Joined: March 1, 2010	The taste of idiocy sounds like gray. Shadow is an artificially created life-form who, on suffering severe emotional trauma, went berserk. A fairly bland story featured alot in the late '90s and early '00s, but not a bad start to creating an antihero. 50 years later, Shadow is awakened by some fat ignoramous to help him in his plans. Shadow plays along, interested in doing what Eggman wants as revenge, believing he had promised that. Good stuff, shows a violent nature. However, he soon realizes he'd promised to help humanity so switches sides. Excellent. He's got a misplaced heart. Not new to antiheroes, but it's an inversion. It's rocky, but he's shaping up. And contrary to what you say, he's not powered by the rings, he's weakened by them. Without them, his Chaos Powers are much more powerful. He wears them because without them, he'd overexert himself. On that alone, I am amused by this tomfoolery you posted. Please continue.
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SuperShadowgal	Jan 22 2011, 07:49 PM Post #4
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Havoc The Tenrec	Jan 22 2011, 07:52 PM Post #5
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terminallyCapricious	Jan 22 2011, 08:33 PM Post #6
hOnK HoNk Posts: 252 Group: B Rank Guardian Member #10,819 Joined: March 1, 2010	All I can say is that taking this topic seriously is like taking Borat seriously. It simply increases the funnyness. Although I'll admit to finding Borat a rather obnoxious attempt at bringing high humor to crass audience and thus unfunny. Still, I recognize where one would say it's comedy genius.
	It's eternally tragic that that which is magic be killed at the end of the glorious chase. From young seals to great whales, from waters to wood, they will fall just like leaves in the wind. With perfumes and fur coats and trophies on walls, what a hell of a race to call men. Nihon Itsumademo! honk. HONK. honk. HONK.


Sonic 2	Jan 22 2011, 08:39 PM Post #7
=SB= Sonic Logic Theorist. Posts: 647 Group: S Rank Knight Member #10,296 Joined: August 29, 2009	Time to tear apart this long post. Neo Metal Sonic Let's face it - Shadow scks! And I don't mean just the game - his character is pathetic as well. Whether it's in the games or in Sonic X, Shadow is just plain annoying. First off, even from the start his character was usleless. I mean seriously - an evil/dark version of Sonic? Like we don't have Metal Sonic for that. And the guy is not even evil, he is just another emo who has serious emotional problems. Because of what the G.U.N. federation did half a century ago he hates all of humanity, conviniently forgeting that his creator and his friend Maria (his goddmn favorite word) were also "pathetic humans". "I did not come here for you, I came for the emeralds". Charming. And in Sonic X: the only reason he helped the girl Moly was because she reminded him of Maria otherwise we would just see another "hmph pathetic humans". And let's not forget how he showed the kindness of his heart by not letting Chris fall on the floor as if he hadn't just beaten the living hl out of him. First off, Shadow isn't really all that useless. Metal Sonic, while a robotic evil doppelganger, doesn't really do things on his own whim like Shadow; Metal Sonic only does evil ( kidnapping Amy, race Sonic, etc.) because he was programmed to do it by Eggman. Shadow, on the other hand, could make the choice of turning good or bad on his own whim. I'll disregard the "Molly" sub-plot just because, according to what I know about the series canon, Sonic X isn't even canon to the games. As for Shadow hating the humans? Who knows, maybe he treated them as exceptions to his grudge filled perception of humanity in SA2. You do have to consider he lost the one person he cared about to G.U.N., The "Pathetic Humans" he most likely refers to whenever he thinks of the humans. Neo Metal Sonic Not only that, one would think that he is suffering from amnesia - I mean seriously! How many times is he going to lose his memory? He lost it in Sonic X, Sonic Heroes, and Shadow the Hedgehog. It's not cool or mysterious, it just shows a lack of originality and recycling the same idea over and over again. He is also quite intelligent - he actualy believes the Eggman cares about him (coz if he did he would have told him everything about his past right from the start instead of using him, DUH). Would it all make sense if I told you he WAS suffering from amnesia? And an idea can't be recycled if Shadow was suffering from it the whole time. Neo Metal Sonic No matter how you put it, Shadow is just a cheap rip-off of Sonic. And I do mean CHEAP - he is a hedgehog (I know, how original, right?) he is not really fast, he needs his glider shoes to get some speed, his rings are the only things keeping him from losing power and he needs to recharge like a dead Siemens battery. Without this tech he would be useless. So do we really need an emo Sonic when the original is clearly superior? Metal. Sonic. because you know, Metal Sonic is a copy of Sonic. So according to your logic, Metal Sonic is an even bigger cheap rip-off than Shadow. I have no clue what would compel Gerald Robotnik to make Shadow's shoes jet propelled rocket skates, but I guess roll with it. And Shadow's Chaos Inhibitor Rings work the opposite of what you stated, they actually balance Shadow's chaos energy so, as Shrikeswind stated, he wouldn't overexert himself due to over use of Chaos Powers, But that doesn't mean he doesn't let loose every now and again for a boost of power. (1:50 is when he start's taking the Inhibitor ring's off) Aside from that, Shadow the Hedgehog (from what I recall) is the 2nd most popular character in the series; So while he may seem bland to you, Sega must be doing something right if Shadow is that popular... EDIT: Ninja'd user is Ninja'd. Edited by Sonic 2**, Jan 22 2011, 08:40 PM.



Zak	Jan 22 2011, 09:03 PM Post #8
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DarkSonic606	Jan 22 2011, 11:07 PM Post #9
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Lord Talancir D'Landior	Jan 22 2011, 11:30 PM Post #10
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Cy-Fox	Jan 23 2011, 12:08 AM Post #11
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Cee Jay Haych	Jan 23 2011, 01:27 AM Post #12
"I didn't use the whole thing ...." Posts: 3,252 Group: =SB= Kings Member #9,868 Joined: March 28, 2009	I think someone is confusing 'Shadow sucks!' with 'I don't like Shadow'. That or he's a really bad troll. Either way this topic is full of fail.



Lord Eileanach	Jan 23 2011, 03:12 AM Post #13
. . . Posts: 2,778 Group: Former Monarchs Member #10,054 Joined: June 13, 2009 Gender: Male Country: Brazil Steam ID: Eileanach	I think he is a bad troll and should be punished. : P However you are correct he merely doesn't like Shadow and is trying to validate his dislike by saying "he sucks and is unoriginal - baw!". Shame. He wasted all his energy typing that up only to have Bliz smack some reality into his faulty logic.
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Masamune	Jan 23 2011, 07:47 AM Post #14
Back from the Dead Posts: 366 Group: E Rank Knight Member #11,401 Joined: September 11, 2010 Game Currently Playing: Bastion	The Legendary Eevee Jan 23 2011, 01:27 AM I think someone is confusing 'Shadow sucks!' with 'I don't like Shadow'. That or he's a really bad troll. Either way this topic is full of fail. Pretty much sums up everything I wanted to say. Calm down, kid. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you have to run around screaming, shouting and moaning about it. I don't like Shadow all that much but I'm not gonna go on a three minute b*tch fest about it. I can think of a lot more characters to hate; Big, Cream and Silver, just to name a few.



Tammy	Jan 23 2011, 07:50 AM Post #15
Lava Reef Act 1 Posts: 2,605 Group: E Rank Legend Member #10,015 Joined: May 29, 2009	Havoc The Tenrec Jan 22 2011, 07:52 PM Big the Cat for one. Hey, I like Big. \|P I actually like a lot of characters most people seem to hate. Except for Elise. And Tails. ahem ANYWAY, I don't even see how any f these arguments are valid. You seem to be over-exaggerating on a lot of points, taking things out of Sonic X, which isn't even canon, and it looks to me like you're just making stuff up to make him look bad. For instance, what makes you think that Shadow ever believed Eggman cared about him? And what proof do you have that Shadow can't run fast without his jet shoes or fight without his rings? All in all, it looks like this is just some fail topic made by a ten-year-old that's trying too hard to troll. Sorry, kid. Try again. Edited by Tammy, Jan 23 2011, 07:52 AM.



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