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Sonic and the Worst Fandom Ever; A sonic related article
Topic Started: Oct 15 2010, 08:14 PM (1,313 Views)
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It's all here folks, read it and post your thoughts:
http://gamebabble.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/sonic-and-the-worst-fandom-ever/

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Well, if you want my opinion, I think the Sonic fanbase is getting better. Sonic 4 is getting good reviews, and the complaints are mostly based on things like the physics (which can affect gameplay) and I've seen less and less complaints about Sonic's design. Plus, Colors seems to be getting good Pre-Release reception.
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When he goes on his rant over the fanbase, I sorta realized how i use to argue this with other people. I really dot like Sonic Colors, Unleashed, or Sonic 4. This is because i find them to childish, not nearly as good as Shadow the hedgehog in my opinion. I figure that if they make one -At least one!- Really Bad Ass game, I will foam at the mouth. Even if i saw "T" on the side of the boxart, Its as good as mine!

Hear me out for once. I think that is ok that they make the games for the little ones, but at least give us mature fans something to relish at while you make more games for the kids!

Also, with Sonic 4 going back to its origins, You might as well count me out. If i truly want to spend $40 or so on a game style that has been butchered to death by the genesis era, Why not just buy the originals? Same thing, there's no real difference besides graphics and slight story involvement. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO IT! It's not appealing to me.
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Oct 15 2010, 08:22 PM
Well, if you want my opinion, I think the Sonic fanbase is getting better. Sonic 4 is getting good reviews, and the complaints are mostly based on things like the physics (which can affect gameplay) and I've seen less and less complaints about Sonic's design. Plus, Colors seems to be getting good Pre-Release reception.
Getting better? I'd say barely recovering. I mean, we can't forget the months of flaming about sonic's eye color, the petition of the game to boycott it and buy sonic 1 instead. People were even complaining about the grass. Yeah, the flaming of dose subjects have gone down, but now, even thought the complaints are a bit more constructive, there are still those who act like any flaw they find will kill the entire game, like how sonic can stand on inclines. It's weird, funny to me, but when playing a game like sonic, who's really gonna stand there to notice.

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Oct 15 2010, 08:52 PM
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Oct 15 2010, 08:22 PM
Well, if you want my opinion, I think the Sonic fanbase is getting better. Sonic 4 is getting good reviews, and the complaints are mostly based on things like the physics (which can affect gameplay) and I've seen less and less complaints about Sonic's design. Plus, Colors seems to be getting good Pre-Release reception.
Getting better? I'd say barely recovering. I mean, we can't forget the months of flaming about sonic's eye color, the petition of the game to boycott it and buy sonic 1 instead. People were even complaining about the grass. Yeah, the flaming of dose subjects have gone down, but now, even thought the complaints are a bit more constructive, there are still those who act like any flaw they find will kill the entire game, like how sonic can stand on inclines. It's weird, funny to me, but when playing a game like sonic, who's really gonna stand there to notice.

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Really? Huh..I've haven't noticed many bouts of illogicalness for the past few months around the fandom. Yeah, I know those 'fans' still exist, and will always exist. But, they're a lot easier to handle when they're the minority.

Besides, I've heard of worse; I've yet to hear of Sonic fans physically attacking each other over differing opinions.
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Oct 15 2010, 08:58 PM
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Oct 15 2010, 08:22 PM
Well, if you want my opinion, I think the Sonic fanbase is getting better. Sonic 4 is getting good reviews, and the complaints are mostly based on things like the physics (which can affect gameplay) and I've seen less and less complaints about Sonic's design. Plus, Colors seems to be getting good Pre-Release reception.
Getting better? I'd say barely recovering. I mean, we can't forget the months of flaming about sonic's eye color, the petition of the game to boycott it and buy sonic 1 instead. People were even complaining about the grass. Yeah, the flaming of dose subjects have gone down, but now, even thought the complaints are a bit more constructive, there are still those who act like any flaw they find will kill the entire game, like how sonic can stand on inclines. It's weird, funny to me, but when playing a game like sonic, who's really gonna stand there to notice.

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Really? Huh..I've haven't noticed many bouts of illogicalness for the past few months around the fandom. Yeah, I know those 'fans' still exist, and will always exist. But, they're a lot easier to handle when they're the minority.

Besides, I've heard of worse; I've yet to hear of Sonic fans physically attacking each other over differing opinions.
Well, then again, you may not have spent 6 months in the insane-asylum of a forum which is the Sega Message boards, so you may not have heard that stuff. BTW, the only reason sonic fans aren't getting physical wit each other is because you can't punch people through the PC screen. Trust me on this, I've heard many members say they wanted to do that, I even had a pic posted to me with a sonic Iguana fan character getting punched by some anime looking dude in order to attack me.

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Well, I tend to stay away from forums like...that. This is pretty much the only Sonic forum out of four I've been on that I haven't left, or thought of leaving. Still, I think there are worse fandoms out there.
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Same with me, but speed zone was a pretty cool place to. but I ended up getting banned from those forums, no real flaming though, I was talking about a rapper by the name of jim snooka in an SA2 discussion where we ended up talking about the rap music they used for knuckles. 1 user reported me for "Abusing the censore block" whatever that thing was called, and I was banned with no more explanation then that. I had to lurk to find the user post that he wanted me gone, however I think he was being petty, cause we never saw eye to eye and he was always aggressive towards me because I liked the 3D sonic games that he hated so much, and called BS on the way he acted many times. A lot of users were much like him, but he was much more militant on 3D sonic games because many of them are 3/4 whatever ass pulled number is about sonic's gameplay.

Way off topic, but so far, I haven't seen another fandom as bad as sonic, but I heard Naruto fans were messed up, and the same thing for pokemon and even mario himself. I'll have to find that video about the Nintendo bit.

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Yeah, I have heard that Naruto fans were a bit....out there, at least for a while. :D Haven't really seen anything like that for Pokemon or Mario though. Now, I've heard really bad stories about fans of Twilight. And my goodness...>_>


And sheesh, being banned just because a member wanted you gone? What the hell? :???:
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Oct 15 2010, 09:32 PM
Yeah, I have heard that Naruto fans were a bit....out there, at least for a while. :D Haven't really seen anything like that for Pokemon or Mario though. Now, I've heard really bad stories about fans of Twilight. And my goodness...>_>


And sheesh, being banned just because a member wanted you gone? What the hell? :???:
Yeah, and he used the name of a rapper as fuel to report me, and not to mention this guy was actully banned before for trolling sonic adventure fans on a different account. That's how militant he was man, and most of the forum a lot of the users of the forum side with him, because a lot of them didn't like the 3D games either. In all, the place is was sausage party really. Don't ever go there to talk about sonic or your gonna run into these guys. The worst part is that they continue to make topics asking why people still want an Sonic Adventure 3, as if the last 4 or 5 topics and debates raising the question never happen. It's like, the hate the adventure games so much, it's baffling to them that people who actually like them want a sequel to them. Suffice to say the guy was basically an enemy of mine. I was insulated by him many times, he even told me how I should talk on a forum because street phrases pissed him off, and I would still engage with him in discussion, to show I'm not going to be petty over it, and I ended up getting banned in the process for something I really didn't do.

BTW, here's that video I was talking about. The first half is about sonic 4(this was made back in march but some people still bitched about these facts) and they later go on to Nintendo:
http://www.youtube.com/user/overlordashura#p/u/2/v_QAhvlbcn0

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Shadow the hedgehog wasnt that bad of a game in my opinion. neither was sonic 06 or sonic riders or sonic heroes.
Sonic "Fans" are just being too picky. its a so stupid,
Oh no sonic has green eyes and longer quills! no big deal!! he's still fast and cool.
there the reason sega hurries to finish the games. to see if the fans will approve. ugh stop nitpicking at a damn game and play it
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Oct 16 2010, 11:29 AM
Shadow the hedgehog wasnt that bad of a game in my opinion. neither was sonic 06 or sonic riders or sonic heroes.
Sonic "Fans" are just being too picky. its a so stupid,
Oh no sonic has green eyes and longer quills! no big deal!! he's still fast and cool.
there the reason sega hurries to finish the games. to see if the fans will approve. ugh stop nitpicking at a damn game and play it
Right on. I don't see the problem? Why would people want games more "childish". I always liked sonic games because of one thing.
Is speed, running so fast, and jumping so high, you could almost believe you could fly.
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Sonic games are cool. A simple game? Sonic 06 or sonic riders. A less childish game? Shadow the hedgehog.
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As an aside, the complaints about the model don't really take center-stage to gameplay-related woes. I know it's become somewhat of a meme (and somehow an argument) to equate complaining about the games in general to whining about green eyes, but there is ironically more whining about whining about green eyes than there is actual whining about green eyes.

Nevertheless, while I haven't bothered to read the article, I'm pretty sure I can sum it up-- Modern Sonic games are underrated, and people who complain about them are being too picky. As usual, I feel that both sides are right to a degree:

It is arguable that Sonic games are underrated to various degrees and that their shovelware scores are not reflected by their actual technical specifications, and that bias and ignorance has had adverse affects on their reputations. But the fact that this argument is valid doesn't mean that the games are paradigms of perfection either. They do have flaws worthy of being complained about, and sitting silent on them won't do a goddamned thing to make the situation better.

tl;dr-- How many times have we heard that the fanbase sucks? Can we please talk about something else?
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Nevertheless, while I haven't bothered to read the article, I'm pretty sure I can sum it up-- Modern Sonic games are underrated, and people who complain about them are being too picky.
Actually, the article is more or less this fellow's history as to how the fanbase became what it is today. The events that caused fractures and the final straw, stuff like that. But really, that's neither here nor there. |P

Anyways, all I really have to say about this is why can't people just play the game and judge it for what it's worth as opposed to what it should have been in their minds? All these comparisons to older titles because they're the "best" is ridiculous. Take the game for what it is and judge it on that, not what it did wrong compared to "Title X". I know that I absolutely hate being compared to other people as a measure of my worth; I'd much prefer that people judge me on my own merits instead of "Well, that guy can do it."

As for the ariticle itself (that bit up there didn't really have anything to do with it I guess, moreso my thoughts on the fanbase's stupidity) I actually enjoyed it. Interesting to say the least. Honestly, I didn't know that the fanbase was that bad, but seeing some of what I saw in his examples I seriously facepalmed. It's a game people. Is this really worth getting so worked up about?

Case in point; someone said that Sonic 4 would be terrible (his major arguement being that Sonic looks "ugly" in it) based on 10 seconds of leaked footage. Having played through it myself now that it's out, I can say it's most definantly NOT terrible. It's actually really fun. Of course, that would make me what's wrong with the fanbase at the moment, because I don't have the guts to complain about what's wrong with the series, such as Sonic's glaring ugliness and how fast he's going.

Fact of the matter is; there's not much to complain about.

Sure it was a little clunky at first, but you adjust to that. The bosses aren't brand spankin' new, but they've got a twist to them that makes them feel fresh and I actually like that little throwback. It's got the Homing Attack in it; So what? It works. But he's taller and has green eyes; oh quit being so nitpicky, the game looks fine. Damn fine.

Anyway, point is... y'know, I forget what the point is. Aw whatever, I enjoy the games and anyone who complains about such nonsense as a homing attack or green eyes can go cry me a river. Seriously. xP
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Nevertheless, while I haven't bothered to read the article, I'm pretty sure I can sum it up-- Modern Sonic games are underrated, and people who complain about them are being too picky.
Actually, the article is more or less this fellow's history as to how the fanbase became what it is today. The events that caused fractures and the final straw, stuff like that. But really, that's neither here nor there. |P

Anyways, all I really have to say about this is why can't people just play the game and judge it for what it's worth as opposed to what it should have been in their minds? All these comparisons to older titles because they're the "best" is ridiculous. Take the game for what it is and judge it on that, not what it did wrong compared to "Title X". I know that I absolutely hate being compared to other people as a measure of my worth; I'd much prefer that people judge me on my own merits instead of "Well, that guy can do it."

Case in point; someone said that Sonic 4 would be terrible (his major arguement being that Sonic looks "ugly" in it) based on 10 seconds of leaked footage. Having played through it myself now that it's out, I can say it's most definantly NOT terrible. It's actually really fun. Of course, that would make me what's wrong with the fanbase at the moment, because I don't have the guts to complain about what's wrong with the series, such as Sonic's glaring ugliness and how fast he's going.

That's the problem though, there are some people who -- would be considered classic fan -- don't bother to even play the games themselves. They rely on opinions generated by Game Magazines or Websites to come to their own conclusions. I've seen people on these websites who say ((just as an example)), "Man, a Sonic RPG... I knew Sonic should've just stuck to speed, this game got X score out of 10. They just don't make 'em like they used to." or "I stopped by to check the review on Sonic Riders, man it's a shame Sonic gets such poor scores now a days. They need to just make him run."
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