Which is better?

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Which is better?
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Neo Metallix	Aug 24 2010, 10:40 AM Post #16
~Doomsday Overlord~ Posts: 15,568 Group: =SB= Emperor Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2006 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: Doc_Of_D Game Currently Playing: Tales of Xillia	DJSonicFreak Aug 24 2010, 05:06 AM I like the usual eggman. I did not like Sonic '06 not at all. It was garbage especially on the 360. But if you're a real old school Sonic fan, you would know him as Robotnik, which I really like more. You know, back in the ancient days in the 1990's You would think his look in '06 would appeal to you more as he looked like the old robotnik and actually looked like an evil scientist.
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~~=SF SonicPro=~~	Aug 24 2010, 11:21 AM Post #17
^ANOTHER DEAD TROLL^ Posts: 569 Group: Game Over :( Member #11,343 Joined: August 23, 2010	For those who didn't know this. Eggman was the orignal name for Robotnik. In North America (not sure about Europe) he was given the name of Robotnik, where in japan he was called Egggman. I am not fully sure, but in Sonic Adventure series, North America transitioned to the original name Eggman. I have to research this again for the reason why. Same applies for Koopa aka Bowser. Bowser was the North American name for Koopa. For proof, in super smash bros melee, switch language to japanese and his name is now Koopa. That's bowsers original name, like Eggman is Robotnik's orignal name. Sometime during translation or localization in gaming (or in anime) they would give a character a slightly different name than the original in japan. Edit For those who have either Sonic Gems or Sonic Jam, if you look at artwork for the japanese or European editions, you will see in Sonic 1 and the genesis series, he was named Eggman, not Robotnik. ~Triva Dr.Robotnik Mean Bean Machine and Sonic Spinball, were both made in Sega of America and not japan, therefore, they had Robotnik named instead of Eggman. Solid proof of Robotnik originally being named as Eggman, lies in Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles Knuckles with Death "Egg" Edited by =SF SonicPro=, Aug 24 2010, 11:25 AM.



SuperShadowgal	Aug 24 2010, 11:48 AM Post #18
The Female Ultimate Life Form! Posts: 3,112 Group: E Rank Legend Member #59 Joined: April 29, 2006	Technically, you could say Robotnik is now accepted with both English/Japanese versions considering we have Maria and Gerald Robotnik. Then saying Eggman is a nickname Sonic and friends like to call him.
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Strawhat Luffy~NH~	Aug 24 2010, 04:50 PM Post #19
And can I get a hot tub! Posts: 702 Group: E Rank Hero Member #328 Joined: December 6, 2006	Why is there always so many versions of him haha? Doesnt anybody find that odd?
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Lady BlizShadow	Aug 24 2010, 05:33 PM Post #20
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	There's probably more designs and alternate characterizations of Sonic than Eggman. :P Anyways, it's not necessarily odd. There's so many versions because there's a lot of Sonic media in existence, almost all of it chronicling completely different universes and being specific to only certain parts of the world, and this went on for eight years until Sega reigned it in.
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Strawhat Luffy~NH~	Aug 24 2010, 05:56 PM Post #21
And can I get a hot tub! Posts: 702 Group: E Rank Hero Member #328 Joined: December 6, 2006	BlizShadow Aug 24 2010, 05:33 PM There's probably more designs and alternate characterizations of Sonic than Eggman. Anyways, it's not necessarily odd. There's so many versions because there's a lot of Sonic media in existence, almost all of it chronicling completely different universes and being specific to only certain parts of the world, and this went on for eight years until Sega reigned it in. Oh yeah thats true. I wish they would edit some of the annoying characters because they never do haha.
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Zak	Aug 24 2010, 07:33 PM Post #22
For The Circle Posts: 4,002 Group: D Rank Legend Member #9,748 Joined: February 10, 2009 3DS Friend Code: 1118-0225-4062 Steam ID: zakth686	Personally I didn't like that change at all, Eggman is a cartoony, overly obese character and that's been his thing for a long time. When you take Eggman, and take the "egg" out of it, all you have is a man. If he anatomicly correct and not so laughable anymore, he might as well be Dr. Wily.
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Darkspine	Aug 25 2010, 09:54 AM Post #23
Hydrocity Act 1 Posts: 78 Group: C Rank Adventurer Member #11,325 Joined: August 14, 2010	Good lord...I hated 06. It had so many glitches in it, and every time I tried to play it, the loading screens would either burn into the TV, or it'd freeze and crash right when I finished a level. X_X I hated what they did with a lot of things, including the look of Eggman (I was born when Sonic Adventure was released, don't blame me :P) Ugh, I just thought that game was so....grah. Nothing about that game could really make me like it. But still, his look was just...not him. We know him as the fat evil scientist, that kind of reminds you of Santa. And his appearance just didn't even make it feel like it was him. So yeah, I didn't like it. I prefer his appearance in the older games too though, the name, I just think it's stupid that he pretty much insults himself with like, the song "I AM THE EGGMAN! THAT'S WHAT I AM!" Because really...he's calling himself fat...XD
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Tammy	Aug 25 2010, 02:17 PM Post #24
Lava Reef Act 1 Posts: 2,605 Group: E Rank Legend Member #10,015 Joined: May 29, 2009	I personally liked Eggy's '06 design. :B I didn't think his general "fatness" level went down that much. He still looked pretty damn fat for a normal human being. And I actually thought they were going to stick with that design, until Sonic Unleashed proved me otherwise. :P I wouldn't have minded it, because if fat ol' Eggy could go through one design change, I could stand another. Really, I like Eggman for who he is: A mad scientist who's WAAAAAAAAAAY over his shiny bald head. I don't care what he looks like or what his name is. (But I prefer to call him Eggman. Robotnik's too long, and it kinda sounds dumb to me, for some reason. xP ) Edited by Tammy, Aug 25 2010, 02:17 PM.



terminallyCapricious	Aug 25 2010, 10:43 PM Post #25
hOnK HoNk Posts: 252 Group: B Rank Guardian Member #10,819 Joined: March 1, 2010	BlizShadow Aug 24 2010, 10:12 AM And really, has the more menacingly-named Bowser ever trapped Mario in a forcefield that stripped him of all his power and turned him into a feral beast before sending him careening towards a fatal fall to Earth? Is the more menacingly-named Bowser any less predictable than Eggman, or is he still dead set on kidnapping that same blasted princess? Sorry to retread these waters, being a page behind, but Super Mario Galaxy, Super Princess Peach, Super Mario Sunshine (admittedly a bit of a stupid story, but his plan was pretty damned brilliant you have to admit. Frame the hero and get him arrested? If there's one flaw in his plan it was to use graffiti as the crime, and even then it did have a pretty serious effect,) and Bowser's Inside Story ALL featured a plot that showed Bowser to be quite competant. In Super Mario Galaxy, he created a galaxy in the center of the universe in order to take over. Admittedly, this doesn't make sense in a realistic world, but Mario's NEVER made sense. Super Princess Peach, he flips the script and actually captures the Mario Bros. and only failed because he made the mistake of NOT kidnapping the Princess. Super Mario Sunshine's (admittedly stupid) story has Bowser have Mario framed for basically blotting out the sun (albeit that this was done in a very abnormla style, i.e., graffit.) Bowser's Inside Story? Dude eats Mario. Literally inhales the dude. I'm not particularly sure, having only experience in the classic games, on Robotnik's schemes. Though any Mario fan will tell you that you're right, Bowser's obsessed with that Princess. There's apparently a one-sided love there, but I'm pretty sure it's also got a bit to do with a grudge against the plumber. "Maybe I can kill him THIS time. Nope, that didn't work. Hmmm....maybe I oughtta kidnap the princess and lead him to THIS trap." Not exactly Ganon levels of scheming, but no one accused him of being a strategist. My big issue with your point here, however, is that Bowser and Dr. Robotnik are two different villains. Bowser maintains absolute control over his troops, Dr. Robotnik frequently creates glitchy minions. Bowser's a brute, Dr. Robotnik's a mad scientist. In fact, I could keep going beyond even villains and end up pointing to the fact that Mario and Sonic star in games SERIOUSLY far-flung from each other. I mean, Sonic's an anthropomorphic hedgehog. Mario's a fat Italian handyman. Sonic's games focus on speed. Mario's are precision based. Mario's games don't take themselves seriously. Sonic's take themselves WAY seriously. It's why I find the rivalry to be fun as opposed to something to cling to like a squirrel to an acorn. Rodent loves his acorns. On another note, I usually use Eggman for shorthand, but I prefer Robotnik for the fact that it doesn't feel like a nickname. And it's Old Robotnik > Modern Eggman > '06 Eggman for me. It's Mega that. Though I now seriously want to hear a Beatles ref.
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Ludichaos	Aug 25 2010, 11:16 PM Post #26
[Outrealm Vagabond] Posts: 4,994 Group: C Rank Legend Member #11,272 Joined: July 25, 2010	True that, although in Bowser's Inside Story the inhaling bit was never his plan, that was all Fawful's doing. If I remember correctly he just got kicked out of the Kingdom for trying to help for a change, only to let his temper get the better of him when nobody trusted him. For the rest of the story his usual plans are all rather cartoon villainish, if not even a little childish at times. But that's why I love him, that crazy Bowser guy. I suppose that's neither here nor there though. Bliz made a very good point with the scattered media bit. Admittedly I never thought of that but it makes a lot of sense concidering. But yeah, I feel both names are correct, with Eggman being the nickname he oddly took on himself.
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Lady BlizShadow	Aug 25 2010, 11:23 PM Post #27
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	@Shrikeswind: The example I used is ultimately a superficial one, and it was only made in response to the contrast between Eggman and Bowser a few members had already made before me, essentially calling Bowser a more effective villain than Eggman simply because his established name, to them, sounds more menacing than his Japanese moniker "King Koopa." My point was merely to illustrate that Eggman, even with his silly name, can still be an effective villain too, sometimes even moreso than the more "menacingly-named" Bowser, although I admittedly don't know much about Bowser's more unique exploits beyond his one in Galaxy, (in which he still captured that damn princess no less) to make a better example out of that; I don't play or study up on the Mario franchise enough to know the narratives beyond Bowser capturing Peach. Regardless though, I will argue that one can still gather an opinion on which villain is more effective than the other despite the series' differences. Both characters perform similar roles, thus comparisons can still be made anyways. They are also characters in general, and thus can be properly analyzed with established methods of literary analysis. But this is all a mountain out of a molehill. Bowser was only a part of my overall point, not the subject. :P
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terminallyCapricious	Aug 25 2010, 11:36 PM Post #28
hOnK HoNk Posts: 252 Group: B Rank Guardian Member #10,819 Joined: March 1, 2010	Yeah, admittedly, I never actually played BIS, since I've been wanting to play PiT first and can't find it ANYWHERE. Actually, Robotnik probably just felt that he couldn't get out of "Eggman," so just said "Ah heck, Eggman." @ Bliz: Ah, my apologies, then. I mistook your point. Although I must say, they do have a point in saying that Bowser sounds more menacing than Eggman (though it doesn't necessarily mean he IS.) You're preaching to the choir, there. If you tear it down to deeds and accomplishments, efficiency is made measurable.
	It's eternally tragic that that which is magic be killed at the end of the glorious chase. From young seals to great whales, from waters to wood, they will fall just like leaves in the wind. With perfumes and fur coats and trophies on walls, what a hell of a race to call men. Nihon Itsumademo! honk. HONK. honk. HONK.


~~=SF SonicPro=~~	Aug 26 2010, 03:22 AM Post #29
^ANOTHER DEAD TROLL^ Posts: 569 Group: Game Over :( Member #11,343 Joined: August 23, 2010	Isn't this getting off topic?



rittz	Aug 26 2010, 07:59 PM Post #30
my neck hurts Posts: 385 Group: E Rank Knight Member #10,771 Joined: February 16, 2010	Personally, I prefer the usual Robotnik in contrast to his '06 design- a version of him that I like to call: Captain Golden Nipples. Seriously, did you see his jacket? shivers



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