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| Opinions and views on Sonic 4; How do you feel about it? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 23 2010, 05:41 PM (690 Views) | |
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Aug 23 2010, 05:41 PM Post #1 |
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Ok Sonic 4! It's been well over geez, about a decade and a couple of years now. In all honesty, I am happy about this but at the same time I'm not so thrilled and skeptical. First of all, this is well too late to revive and Genesis sequel about 13-14 years later. Don't get me wrong I had the Sega Genesis since I was 2 years old and played and grew up with the Trilogy. But no matter what, I do not think Sonic 4 will not be as great as the 3 parts. Why? 1)Tails and Knuckles is not playable. It's been officially announced by Sega that they wont be playable in Sonic 4. It seems very baclwards not to have the 2 prime characters that made up Sonic in this sequel. 2)Not developed by the main brains of the trilogy. Keep in mind that the original Sonic Team and the main brain Yuji Naka, is not behind this 4th sequal. Yuji Naka is the god and the creator of the Side scrollers of the genesis era. Instead on a 4th sequal not directed by him but by new era Sonic Team which Sega replaced, is creating this. This means a shift of Gameplay style and design. The games Chronicles, Dark Knight and Unleashed were directed by this team. I do not like the last 3 titles of Sonic. (yes I purposely did not mention All-Star racing because its not a pure Sonic game) The style was not Sonic like. I lost all respect when he was made into a knight unacceptable. On the flipside, this game looks good as far as graphics go, but the gamestyle is too Sonic Advance. Nothing resembling the Genesis Gamestyle. Those 2 things worry me that not even tails is on this and it is not in the hands of the creators of the first 3 series. I personally think they shouldve renamed this game something else, I dont consider this to be a true sequel to a Sonic. Anyone who agrees or disagrees, please give an in depth answer and explain yourself. |
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| The Milkman | Aug 23 2010, 05:58 PM Post #2 |
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Okay. Let's address this here and now. 1) The only truly main characters are Sonic and Eggman. That said, Tails is more an over-glorified side-character that can be played when you plug in a second controller. Or ought to be. It was forever ago, but you remember the good ol' Genesis days? Yeah. Good ol' Knuckles was more a(n) (unintentional) badguy instead of another one of Sonic's woodland-creature buddies. Leave that to Archie. I'd be totally fine if Knuckles wasn't playable, so long as he's more of a nemesis, or like, arch-rival. Also, an Eggman that views him more as a thorn in his side than a "rival". That was totally bogus. Here's hoping that's fixed. 2) Dude, Bioware made a sonic game and it still sucked (Shocked me too). The franchise is in pretty bad shape as it is. If it's fun, then I'll be content. Bonus points if there's no Shadow, Amy, Cream, bluh bluh bluhs in there. Double bonus points if the voiceovers don't suck horrifically, if any at all. Triple points if the music is as much of an earworm as back in the day (Marble Zone, Act 1 anyone?). Edited by The Milkman, Aug 23 2010, 06:02 PM.
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Aug 23 2010, 06:05 PM Post #3 |
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Yeah. I didn't know about the Bioware part, but as for the information I read online about the new gen Sonic team, it is indeed lead and directed by a new staff. Not the main processors of the ones who created Sonic 1-3 and Knuckles. And yep, I know tails is glorified. We can understand Knuckles not fully being on Sonic 4. But still. Tails was rarely separated from Sonic like that. Him being completely absent is very odd even for a new Sonic game. It it does say it continues in Angel Island as I read info, Angel Island should have Knuckles in it. At least a cameo as he is the guardian. Oh well, Knuckles wasnt always smart nor around when Eggman stole the Master Emerald on Angel Island. But Tails not being included is questionable. I am also worried about the Super and possible return of Hyper Sonic but thats too early to discuss that. Edited by =SF SonicPro=, Aug 23 2010, 06:06 PM.
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| Deleted User | Aug 23 2010, 06:07 PM Post #4 |
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The moment I saw the game and heard the music from it lost all hope that it was going to be "like the old games". |
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Aug 23 2010, 06:17 PM Post #5 |
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I felt that disappointing feeling as well. You know what would be totally kick ***? If they reused sprites. Now that would be a pure Sonic 4 game. They could probably tweak it to make it smoother and less pixel with some console effects. But still, this is no where as the 3 Sonic Genesis games. I think Sega and the team couldnt think of a name so the named it Sonic 4. Which I still dont think it's a pure sequel it doesnt feel like one. The more I looked at gameplay and style, it's like a Sonic advance 4 than the genesis. To be honest, I am kinda insulted by Sega as I been dissapointed. The Sonic Franchise is already horrible enough over the last couple of years. If this game doesn't improve then this will be it for Sonic. Because it is almost scary that Sonic is close to dying in the gaming world. It cannot compete with modern games and it keeps leeching off of mario and nintendo to survive. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Aug 23 2010, 06:48 PM Post #6 |
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I wish people would stop saying that Sonic is going to die when he's the second-best selling platforming series in the world, one of the most well-known video game characters ever, and subsequently a franchise that Sega is dependent on. Step outside for a second and you'd see he's doing better amongst the public than foaming-at-the-mouth detractors would like to admit. Overall, this game has been getting a bit of a worse rap than it ideally deserves. Not to say that its architecture is pristine, because it isn't. It needed the delay it got. However, it also fell prey to living up to the impossible expectations of a community that has unfairly if understandably turned Sonic into a public whipping boy for everything he's done after 1994. The stuff he did before 1994 has consequently become elevated to levels only Jesus Christ has reached, and not even a hack of S3&K by Yuji Naka would've lived up to that. So in short, the game, or at least this part of the game, looks like a fun little timewaster. It's not horrible, but it's not orgasmic either, which of course means some people perceive it to be horrible because of its annoyingly conflated pedigree. It will most likely do well in terms of sales and reception, but I'm still of the opinion that it should have never been made in the first place because the hardcores it's targetting would have never appreciated it anyways. In fact, the game's very existence has been a blight on fan relations. Think-- If it didn't exist, we'd only have the positive environment Colors has brought about to appreciate. Wouldn't that have been nicer? |
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Aug 23 2010, 06:58 PM Post #7 |
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I disagree with you DJ... Who cares if Yugi isn't involved? Have you seen him do anything great or even decent recently? Just Tap? Yeah right... While an admirable attempt at advancing "experimental controls" simply was not a good idea and other than that he hasn't done squat that deserves any mention in the gaming industry. There are people who are better suited at creating Sonic 4 than Yugi Naka. As for Sonic 4, it's almost a replica of the genesis titles wrapped in nicer wrapping. Hopefully episode 2 will provide something more original. Although this game does look awesome, I just prefer games that push forward rather than grasping on the past. Edited by Neo Metallix, Aug 23 2010, 06:59 PM.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Aug 23 2010, 07:12 PM Post #8 |
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I wouldn't write off Yuji Naka like that, Metallix. Let's Tap actually has a fairly good reputation amongst the critics and the little of the public that's played it. It may not be as popular as Sonic, but popularity is not always synonymous with quality. And although it's not out yet, his studio's new title "Ivy The Kiwi" has seen far more overall positive reception and far less controversy than Sonic 4. The man can actually program good games. |
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Aug 23 2010, 07:15 PM Post #9 |
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Well I just don't think it was a good idea and pretty much just a gimmick to cover up for a lack of gameplay. As far as his new games, I'll wait to see but my point still stands that he hasn't done much as far as great games since Sonic and I still think there are far more talented people out there today. Just because he was huge when there were far less people in the industry does not mean he has stayed ahead of the competition. That doesn't mean he is completely incompetent or a poor designer, just that he has been surpassed in game design.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Aug 23 2010, 07:39 PM Post #10 |
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But talent as a whole is irrelevant; The real point of contention here is whether or not enough of these people who have supposedly surpassed Naka are actually employed at Sonic Team to render his absence irrelevant. There's one reason Naka actually moved up the ranks in such a biased corporation like Sega of Japan while the new blood now barely has a chance to make director. It's because he knows game design better than them. He designed arguably the best games in the series; The new Sonic Team has not. Just because Let's Tap didn't set the world on fire in a manner akin to Sonic like the other 99.9999% of new franchises out there right now don't doesn't really mean much if the new Sonic Team can't even regularly achieve the scores and admiration that Let's Tap did. Yuji Naka's developmental portfolio is better than Sonic Team's, the only studio relevant in this conversation. |
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Aug 23 2010, 07:57 PM Post #11 |
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If you're going to defend Yugi over his unreleased game getting praise, then you can't knock the current Sonic Team for their future efforts. As far as who's in Sonic Team is irrelevant as my opinion was solely focused on Yugi being gone and how I find it to be not a problem as he isn't on the Christ-like levels that Sonic fans elevate him to. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Aug 23 2010, 08:17 PM Post #12 |
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I did not knock Sonic Team's future efforts. Closest I said to that was that the public reception of Ivy the Kiwi as it has been displayed thus far has been more universally positive than Sonic 4's. That is not knocking Sonic Team's effort, and I even said Sonic 4 would be fun; I'm just stating a fact. And I didn't just make a comparison between future releases either-- Let's Tap has received better scores and reception than many of Sonic Team's in-house releases. Regardless though, I actually agree with that sentiment, although I'd still argue that Yuji Naka's talent and knowledge would be of benefit to the current Sonic Team. Just because he's overhyped doesn't mean that there isn't validity to wanting him back aboard. :P |
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| black x | Aug 26 2010, 12:01 PM Post #13 |
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How do I feel about Sonic 4? I can't wait for it! I was always bad at the classic Sonic games, but I am getting better. So I can't wait for Sonic 4. |
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| Strawhat Luffy~NH~ | Aug 26 2010, 12:07 PM Post #14 |
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Yeah I feel the same way! If it plays like the old sonic games it'll be a hit! |
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| Muckshaw | Aug 26 2010, 02:52 PM Post #15 |
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Something I think is interesting; While I grew up with the Genesis games, I have no problem admitting that they were really not as amazing as most fans consider them to be. Take a moment and compare Super Mario World to Sonic 3 & Knuckles, while yes they are very different games,but they were both made in 94 and they were meant to be competitors. SMW is 10 times more polished then S3&K, and this is coming from someone who has a SEGA tattoo. SMW even has some dialog, albeit it was in text. The closest thing that S3&K had to that was Knuckles "chuckling" By playing the game you got no sense of what was going on, I mean sure you could kinda figure out the storyline, but without reading the booklet? I don't think so. SMW actually had some progression, opening paths in the world map, the STAR ROAD, the Forest where you had to finish the stages in a certain way to move on, and lets not forget about the ! switches, they completely changed the game, creating a reason to replay old stages. That was a long introduction to what my point is... Sonic 4 looks amazing, the visuals are stunning, the game play looks smooth, and the music (while not nostalgic) DOES sound good! The only reason most of us hold the Genesis games in such high regard is due to NOSTALGIA. It really has nothing to do with the game being good or not, and I feel like most fans don't realize this. If you are going to judge this game by the new members of Sonic Team. Think about this. Shigeru Miyamoto had very little to do with New Super Mario Bros. (he was just a supervisor) and that game was FANTASTIC. here's to hoping that Sonic 4 will do for sonic what NSMB did for mario. |
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