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Jun 15 2010, 02:58 PM Post #1 |
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Because this rant has reached other topics and I can't talk about it there, I've decided to make a new topic on it in the mod/admin favor of not mentioning it elsewhere. Sonic's green eye color makes no sense in Sonic 4. Sonic 4 is part of an original classic series in which Sonic's eyes were not green. Then, the green eye came in 1999. I mark this Sonic's evolution. Theoretically speaking, Sonic evolved into a 3D genre and an "era of good feelings" when he first got the green eyes in Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2. Now, Sonic Team is rewriting history. They are putting a modern green-eyed Sonic in a classic world. This makes no historical sense to the story which is why I don't like the idea. Surely this reason alone will not make me dislike the game Sonic 4. I will still critique the game on everything else besides Sonic's eye color. But the one thing I will not do is call Sonic 4 a classic when the modern Sonic is in it. It does not deserve to be called a classic when a "new" aspect is added to an old series, completely changing it. Sonic 4 can still virtually be a great and even awesome game in my eyes, but it will never compare to the originals in terms of a classic due to Sonic's modern eye color. That is my take on the whole controversial issue. |
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Neo Metallix
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Jun 18 2010, 08:27 AM Post #91 |
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What are you talking about? Why must it always be some argument with you, I don't have time for that. I already acknowledged my mistake of saying it was started on the Saturn and calling it an era was poor wording. Sonic CD came out around the same time as Sonic 3 and after Sonic & Knuckles, yet those two games did not have it and Sonic 4 is a direct sequel to THOSE games not Sonic CD. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 18 2010, 08:46 AM Post #92 |
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I'm arguing because I think I have an agreeable position, just as you do, given that you responded back to me. If you honestly didn't have time for this topic or didn't want to seem as argumentative as you call me, you were free to completely ignore my post. Also, Sonic CD came out in 1993. S3&K both came out in 1994. Regardless, no game graphically rendered his buckle, but there are art pieces before and after the one I posted that show a buckle of some kind. It wasn't just a part of CD; It was a staple of his design throughout the era and thus tied to the other games too. And as I said, Sonic CD is canon by virtue of being referenced later, and considering as such, Sonic 4 can be considered a sequel to it too, just as Sonic Adventure can be considered a sequel to the classics because it directly references mythos introduced in S3&K as major plot points, despite the fact that it's on the Dreamcast. |
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Jun 18 2010, 08:59 AM Post #93 |
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No, I disagree with Sonic 4 being any sort of sequel to Sonic CD seeing as S3&K came out the year after which you acknowledge. Not to mention Sega says it takes place directly after Sonic & Knuckles which makes it a direct sequel to that game(which had no buckle on his shoe in the official art). Also if you look at any official art for Sonic 1, 2, and 3, there are no buckles on his shoe. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 18 2010, 09:14 AM Post #94 |
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So do you disagree on Sonic 4 being a sequel to 1 and 2 because it takes place only directly after S3&K? Would you also disagree on Sonic Adventure being any sort of sequel to the classics because it doesn't take place directly after them either? And here's an official piece for Sonic 2:  And another from 2:  And have a reference sheet too:  Would you look at that? Buckles ev'rywhere! Edited by BlizShadow, Jun 18 2010, 09:18 AM.
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Jun 18 2010, 09:48 AM Post #95 |
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Now that I look at that picture closely, it looks like Sonic's got some faint green in his eyes. Well, actually, it's more like a brownish green hue that slowly turns into well, just brown. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 18 2010, 09:52 AM Post #96 |
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That looks like straight brown to me. In other pictures, it's also blue. It's more than likely just a highlight and not any real pigmentation to his pupils. |
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Neo Metallix
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Jun 18 2010, 09:56 AM Post #97 |
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Well in those Sonic 2 pics(are they really Sonic 2 pictures? The box art has no buckle on his shoes), the buckle is white. They changed it yellow for Sonic 4!!!! This must be changed. Plus on Sonic 3 he had no buckle. 
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 18 2010, 10:00 AM Post #98 |
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They are indeed Sonic 2 pictures, promotional material. (Now they have to be on the box? Oy, stop moving the goalpost. =/) And lemme find another link for that official Sega reference sheet on drawing Sonic that has a yellow buckle for it. Or does that not suddenly count either? xD |
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Neo Metallix
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Jun 18 2010, 10:04 AM Post #99 |
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I didn't move anything, I merely mentioned that not all of the art had it on him. It was not standard and even if it were, those pictures have a WHITE buckle. Clearly unacceptable if Sonic 4 has a yellow buckle. |
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HollyYoshi
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Jun 18 2010, 10:15 AM Post #100 |
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I object to your claims
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The green's at the top. It's kinda hard to see, but it does seem like there's a faint green hue. And the highlight is possibly. Though I also find it interesting how Tails has a blue highlight in this pic;  Coindence much? |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 18 2010, 11:08 AM Post #101 |
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First you said the buckle appeared in the Saturn era, then you said that it had to be seen in the Genesis artwork, then you said that it had to be on the boxart, and now it has to be yellow. Well, it is yellow--  It's a definitive, official model sheet from Sega's own art asset CD. You can't get more official and canon than that. You've been moving the goalpost; Defining more and more specific parameters that my argument has to account for whenever it proves a previous parameter wrong. xP |
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Neo Metallix
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Jun 18 2010, 11:35 AM Post #102 |
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Stop twisting my words and bringing up old stuff. Saturn era, Saturn era, Saturn era... I already addressed that and it is no longer relevant. I never said it had to be on the boxart either, only that it was not present in many of the official artworks. I have not been moving anything and you're arguing for no reason as it was a joke. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 18 2010, 11:43 AM Post #103 |
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"Also if you look at any official art for Sonic 1, 2, and 3, there are no buckles on his shoe." That's not the same as "It wasn't in many official artworks." But since you're joking, I might as well stop; I think I proved a point anyways. xD |
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| Sonic CD | Jun 18 2010, 11:53 AM Post #104 |
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I hate how people just disregard Sonic CD as not part of the original series. It either took place after Sonic 2 or after Sonic 1. (Probably the latter) Therefore, Sonic CD is part of the original Quadrilogy. Sonic 1 -> Sonic CD -> Sonic 2 -> Sonic 3 & Knuckles -> and now Sonic 4. So now its a pentalogy, unless you want to count Sonic Adventure as a sequel to Sonic 3 & Knuckles, but lets not go into that. Also, it really doesn't matter what eyes or shoes Sonic has. I mean really people? SEGA is finally giving us what a lot of us have wanted for more than a decade and you're fighting about eyes and shoes? That's selfish. Edited by Sonic CD, Jun 18 2010, 11:54 AM.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 18 2010, 12:00 PM Post #105 |
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To disregard CD as canon at this point in time would be to disregard Sonic Adventure and subsequently every other major 3D release. |
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