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Jun 15 2010, 02:58 PM Post #1 |
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Because this rant has reached other topics and I can't talk about it there, I've decided to make a new topic on it in the mod/admin favor of not mentioning it elsewhere. Sonic's green eye color makes no sense in Sonic 4. Sonic 4 is part of an original classic series in which Sonic's eyes were not green. Then, the green eye came in 1999. I mark this Sonic's evolution. Theoretically speaking, Sonic evolved into a 3D genre and an "era of good feelings" when he first got the green eyes in Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2. Now, Sonic Team is rewriting history. They are putting a modern green-eyed Sonic in a classic world. This makes no historical sense to the story which is why I don't like the idea. Surely this reason alone will not make me dislike the game Sonic 4. I will still critique the game on everything else besides Sonic's eye color. But the one thing I will not do is call Sonic 4 a classic when the modern Sonic is in it. It does not deserve to be called a classic when a "new" aspect is added to an old series, completely changing it. Sonic 4 can still virtually be a great and even awesome game in my eyes, but it will never compare to the originals in terms of a classic due to Sonic's modern eye color. That is my take on the whole controversial issue. |
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| Lord Spin | Jun 15 2010, 03:00 PM Post #2 |
They got Freddy. Poor Freddy.
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My opinion on this matter is quite simple: eye color =/= gameplay. It doesn't matter what his eye color is, it just doesn't impact the game in the slightest. |
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| Phoenix-Saturn | Jun 15 2010, 03:06 PM Post #3 |
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month
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Sonic's eyes had to turn at some point, why not in Sonic 4? |
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| Fenroar | Jun 15 2010, 03:10 PM Post #4 |
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You seriously made a topic about this... Didn't we tell you we get it? You don't like the whole issue with his eye color. We get it. There's no need to make a topic for it. As for my opinion, what Spin said. Ray, no offense, Sega and the rest of the fans just don't really care. I mean, they might as well, seeing that's his current look. You're the only one who gives a rat's ass about it... |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 15 2010, 03:14 PM Post #5 |
I still can't use this.
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As I've said before, it's called a retcon, which means that an old fact is replaced by new information which is then assumed to have always been true. Sonic's design change becoming the worldwide standard can be easily chalked up to this. In the universe and from the point of view of the characters, Sonic has probably always been long-legged and green-eyed. |
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Jun 15 2010, 03:17 PM Post #6 |
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I like the new look better than the old, I just do not like the way it is implemented and unexplained. It makes no historical sense to the series. It doesn't affect game play, no. This is a fact. But it does affect the game's story and heritage of Sonic. It should be a much bigger issue. The whole history and heritage of the series is messed up due to this unspoken drastic change of our main character. Like I said, I like the new Sonic better. But there's no valid explanation to explain why he has the new look in a classical game, the same series in which he has his original looks. EDIT: To go with what Bliz said, I completely agree. The point is, it is a really bad way to convey a retcon (IMO), one I don't agree with, and one that changes the main character of the whole game. It would be nice if Sega at least mentioned to this as opposed to show us subtly. I'd like an explanation behind the doings. And I'd like to know why they chose to change the whole series by this one small eye color change. I don't see it as a retcon at first, I see it as evolution. Evolution to the 3D series. A retcon like this should have been explained long ago because now it is just a confusing and time-shifting issue. It makes no valid sense in terms of the character and where the series is heading (at least in my eyes). Why change for the sake of change? Evolution actually made sense since it represented Sonic entering a new era of gaming... now, the idea just makes no sense. Edited by Sonic Adventure 2, Jun 15 2010, 03:23 PM.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Jun 15 2010, 03:20 PM Post #7 |
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I still can't use this.
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They are seriously not obligated to explain a design change in canon terms. Otherwise, you get bullshit like Archie's actual explanations. |
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Jun 15 2010, 03:25 PM Post #8 |
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I don't care about Archie... I'm talking about the game series. They're the ones that have really messed up. Well, I think they should or else it will always be a plot hole in the series. The fact that it actually interferes with the time line of the game is what makes it a problem. the retcon itself is fine, but changing things by going back in time to a classic world just makes the classics look like they don't matter anymore. Which, I sort of agree with, and sort of don't. I agree with moving forward and letting the classics be as they are. However, the classics explain Sonic's heritage and character. To go back and change that is like bringing Thomas Edison to the modern day. Let's mention that Eggman's change in the series does the exact same thing, throwing off history. It makes no sense. Edited by Sonic Adventure 2, Jun 15 2010, 03:27 PM.
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| D-Metal X | Jun 15 2010, 03:27 PM Post #9 |
TIME TO REALLY EXPLODE!
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Sonic's sprite changed from Sonic 2 to Sonic 3 and Knuckles. They clearly ruined the universe that way, by not even explaining why he looks different, mirite? Sonic 3 and Knuckles shouldn't be part of the same series as Sonic 2, obviously. Sonic's model changed from Sonic Adventure 1 to Sonic Adventure 2. No explanation either. Another ruined universe. Sonic Adventure 2 shouldn't be part of the same series as Adventure 1, mirite? 9_9 |
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Jun 15 2010, 03:30 PM Post #10 |
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What I want to know is....HOW Sonic got green eyes. Last I checked, it's never been explained in the games. When Adventure rolled around, those green eyes just....appeared. Like he's always had them. And maybe he has. Perhaps he's always looked like he does now-green eyed and lean. That's how I always look at it, probably because Sonic's modern design (at least the leaness) makes more sense to me then his chubby version of old. |
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Jun 15 2010, 03:33 PM Post #11 |
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A sprite change is not as big as a complete character change, or an eye color change. Sonic's main form did not change color, only image. In theory, Sonic was the same. Models are different artistic measures compared to structural and color changes. And like I said, it's okay to make a change so long as it does not interefere with the timeline of the game. In this case, it does. A small but very noticeable change. Left a big impact on me and other fans (surprisingly none here). And if this is so called a retcon, I can't believe it until Sega mentions it. Since they never deemed it a retcon, I can't call it that myself. I still like to refer to it as a historical error as opposed to a retcon. Which is why it needs an explanation. And Blaire, you bring up a very good point as well. But that mystifies me much less than the whole timeline change. The "going back in time" really left the big impact on the whole eye color thing to me. At first, it was acceptable and explainable, but now it's completely unexplainable going back in time with something Sonic did not have before. And it will remain unexplained until Sega actually comes out and explains themselves. Still, will this explanation (which will probably never be) become another lame plot hole or not? *coughshadow'sdeath*cough* Edited by Sonic Adventure 2, Jun 15 2010, 03:37 PM.
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| Phoenix-Saturn | Jun 15 2010, 03:40 PM Post #12 |
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i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month
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It's probably always been that was in terms of the game's universe. Also, when I played S3andK on my emulator, I could swear Tails had a faint blue around his eyes. |
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Jun 15 2010, 03:46 PM Post #13 |
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Yes, when Sonic was first made in the 1st games, he always had those cute, black eyes with a little bit of white in a part. i always thought that was cute. then in 1999, they just had to change it to ugly large green eyes and Sonic had these strange...things around his eyes... Then Tails, I think he always had black eyes until he got blue eyes either in the newer games or in the comics. I am not sure about that. Anyways I don't like this. I think they should stick with the classic cuter little black eyes, with a little bit of white in a part. Making a classic game and putting in something non classic is just uncool man. |
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| Tammy | Jun 15 2010, 03:48 PM Post #14 |
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Oi, in the Mario series, Mario and Luigi's eyes are blue, but in the Mario & Luigi RPG series, both of their eyes are black. That completely F's up that universe too, right? Also, Avril, game companies stray from classic designs all the time. And that last sentence made absolutely NO sense whatsoever. If a sequel to a classic game is going to come out, you have to put in something non-classic or else it's just going to be the exact same game. Edited by Tammy, Jun 15 2010, 03:51 PM.
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| Phoenix-Saturn | Jun 15 2010, 03:48 PM Post #15 |
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Green rings are called irises. And fully black eyes aren't cute, they're creepy and unrealistic. Besides, the only reason Sonic had black eyes is because of the Genesis' limitations, which is proven by Sonic having green eyes in SA1. |
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