Sony Can Take Away Your Data at Will

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Sony Can Take Away Your Data at Will; Then tells people who don`t like it to ge screw themselves
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Cee Jay Haych	Apr 23 2010, 02:35 PM Post #16
"I didn't use the whole thing ...." Posts: 3,252 Group: =SB= Kings Member #9,868 Joined: March 28, 2009	Well, That a real fine way to treat your customers.



Tammy	Apr 23 2010, 02:42 PM Post #17
Lava Reef Act 1 Posts: 2,605 Group: E Rank Legend Member #10,015 Joined: May 29, 2009	I read the email. Okay, what the hell? I already sent a complaint email to Sony. Hopefully they'll reply. >_>



Cee Jay Haych	Apr 23 2010, 03:00 PM Post #18
"I didn't use the whole thing ...." Posts: 3,252 Group: =SB= Kings Member #9,868 Joined: March 28, 2009	I highly doubt such an action will get you very far, unless everyone else does likewise.



Neo Metallix	Apr 23 2010, 03:43 PM Post #19
~Doomsday Overlord~ Posts: 15,568 Group: =SB= Emperor Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2006 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: Doc_Of_D Game Currently Playing: Tales of Xillia	Gold Apr 23 2010, 11:28 AM And this is why I refuse to buy a PS3. I Don't need to worry about a PSP. I always back up my files just in case. Yeah, I really doubt this is why you refuse to buy a PS3 as this is a recent change to the terms of service. Microsoft can do the same thing with the 360. SCE America is based in a country where pretty much everyone needs to cover their collective asses to prevent lawsuits and basically Sony is just protecting themselves legally, it does not mean they are going to release updates that are going to delete your save game data, etc... Just another misinterpreted thing by some site that wants HITS (a.k.a. people on their website). Hmmm and check this out, this was already in the old TOS! So basically people are crying foul for no reason, sensationalist journalism at its worst. You can see all of the updates here: http://us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/ps_playstation_network_april_10/index.htm Edited by Neo Metallix, Apr 23 2010, 03:58 PM.
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Lady BlizShadow	Apr 23 2010, 04:38 PM Post #20
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	You completely missed the point. The problem is simply the fact that Sony has sent out an apparently legitimate e-mail telling its customers to go screw themselves if they disagree with the rules in place. Despite the fact that they have right to do it, despite the fact that other companies have similar TOS, and despite the fact that the rule isn't brand new, that doesn't eliminate the fact that essentially saying, "We can do whatever we want to your console. And if you don't like it, you can delete your account and go the hell somewhere else" is simply a-holish behavior from any professional corporation.
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Cy-Fox	Apr 23 2010, 04:50 PM Post #21
We are still watching Posts: 3,486 Group: =SB= Kings Member #3,975 Joined: November 29, 2007 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Steam ID: cy-fox	BlizShadow Apr 23 2010, 04:38 PM You completely missed the point. The problem is simply the fact that Sony has sent out an apparently legitimate e-mail telling its customers to go screw themselves if they disagree with the rules in place. Despite the fact that they have right to do it, despite the fact that other companies have similar TOS, and despite the fact that the rule isn't brand new, that doesn't eliminate the fact that essentially saying, "We can do whatever we want to your console. And if you don't like it, you can delete your account and go the hell somewhere else" is simply a-holish behavior from any professional corporation. And thus be out the insane price that you paid for such a highly hyped console as well as the games you paid for that had online capabilities :/



BelovedDoll	Apr 23 2010, 04:54 PM Post #22
Miss Shadow aka "The Shadowess" Posts: 808 Group: D Rank Hero Member #9,230 Joined: July 24, 2008	Seriously, this is no way for any company to act. :/ I`m so backing up my files just in case. Luckily I don`t have that much stuff on PS3 and PSP but still. Doesn`t matter if you have just a few things or a lot. Their basic attitude is there towards customers. Better Business Bureau? Are we at that level yet? Cy-Fox One Apr 23 2010, 04:50 PM BlizShadow Apr 23 2010, 04:38 PM You completely missed the point. The problem is simply the fact that Sony has sent out an apparently legitimate e-mail telling its customers to go screw themselves if they disagree with the rules in place. Despite the fact that they have right to do it, despite the fact that other companies have similar TOS, and despite the fact that the rule isn't brand new, that doesn't eliminate the fact that essentially saying, "We can do whatever we want to your console. And if you don't like it, you can delete your account and go the hell somewhere else" is simply a-holish behavior from any professional corporation. And thus be out the insane price that you paid for such a highly hyped console as well as the games you paid for that had online capabilities :/ Thus why their attitude of "accept it or gtfo" is all the more bull. Edited by BelovedDoll, Apr 23 2010, 04:56 PM.
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Vexiss	Apr 23 2010, 07:29 PM Post #23
Hydrocity Act 1 Posts: 94 Group: C Rank Adventurer Member #10,662 Joined: January 7, 2010	Wow. Sony's way worse than Apple about locking their shit down tight.



Neo Metallix	Apr 23 2010, 08:00 PM Post #24
~Doomsday Overlord~ Posts: 15,568 Group: =SB= Emperor Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2006 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: Doc_Of_D Game Currently Playing: Tales of Xillia	BlizShadow Apr 23 2010, 04:38 PM You completely missed the point. The problem is simply the fact that Sony has sent out an apparently legitimate e-mail telling its customers to go screw themselves if they disagree with the rules in place. Despite the fact that they have right to do it, despite the fact that other companies have similar TOS, and despite the fact that the rule isn't brand new, that doesn't eliminate the fact that essentially saying, "We can do whatever we want to your console. And if you don't like it, you can delete your account and go the hell somewhere else" is simply a-holish behavior from any professional corporation. They are not saying anything like that at all. There is no attitude there, there is no implying anything, it is just an email giving users a TOS. If they did not send it out, no one would be complaining, yet the rules would be exactly the same... You even admit other companies have similar TOS's yet you some how think sending a reminder email is saying, "screw you" is a bit ridiculous. People are dumb and the only reason they aren't upset about everything is no one even reads company TOS, this is as bad as fans complaining about stuff in Sonic 4.
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Lady BlizShadow	Apr 23 2010, 08:14 PM Post #25
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	Once again, you are missing the point. This is only about professionalism, not whether the companies' TOS is the same. To my knowledge, Microsoft, Nintendo, Steam, and other competitors don't send childish e-mails directly to their consumers in which the final paragraph could literally be summed up as, "We can do whatever we want to your console for any reason; GTFO our service if you don't like it." And you're sugar-coating my position. I don't think a company acting like a 12-year old with its consumers is a bit ridiculous; I think it's excessively stupid.
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Phoenix-Saturn	Apr 23 2010, 08:17 PM Post #26
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	Exactly as Blitz says. It's the fact that they are basically flaunting that there's nothing you can do about it than the fact that they are doing it.
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RabidChoco	Apr 23 2010, 09:55 PM Post #27
Sandopolis Act 2 Posts: 2,402 Group: S Rank Hero Member #6,608 Joined: March 11, 2008 Gender: Male Country: Belgium 3DS Friend Code: 1521-5016-9168 Steam ID: RabidChoco Game Currently Playing: Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth	I received an e-mail linking me to the updated TOS... But honestly, Bliz. I've read software TOS's before, and this is nothing more than more of the same. The software TOS's also say something to the tune of: "If you don't agree, break the damn disk." From PS1-era and PC games. According to all that BS legalese, we don't own the games or other software; we paid for the "privilege" of using it. It's just now that piece of the whole shebang has been brought into focus. Yeah, I know, why do they say that when they couldn't enforce it. Well, they can now. EDIT: Forgot the terminology when I posted, sorry, it's the End-User License Agreement, (EULA.) Edited by RabidChoco, Apr 23 2010, 10:09 PM.
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BelovedDoll	Apr 23 2010, 10:16 PM Post #28
Miss Shadow aka "The Shadowess" Posts: 808 Group: D Rank Hero Member #9,230 Joined: July 24, 2008	^ Didn`t Bliz just explain that it`s not the fact that they are doing it, it`s about HOW they are doing it? :/ BlizShadow Apr 23 2010, 08:14 PM Once again, you are missing the point. This is only about professionalism, not whether the companies' TOS is the same. Yep, she did. Edited by BelovedDoll, Apr 23 2010, 10:19 PM.
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Lady BlizShadow	Apr 23 2010, 10:33 PM Post #29
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	Again, I'm not denying that other companies have very similar policies; No one is. I'm simply saying that this e-mail's blunt wording is tactless. Corporations use legal terms not only to protect themselves, but to establish that cold, faceless neutrality that makes their presence remotely tolerable. Being anymore blunt about the fact that you're screwing over your customers on a daily basis makes you look like a jerkwad, and it's an easy way to distance your buyers. This is a minor reason why people were ready and willing to believe it was a phishing scam (and I will back up and advocate that this is still a possibility since my search wasn't concrete); Corporations just don't word e-mails like that. The major reason is because they're admittedly renegging on a function that they put on their own consoles and punishing their consumers for using it just because, which is also stupid. Really stupid, in fact. But overall, my personal disdain for the e-mail is mostly not due to any rules Sony may have made, but the simple lack of tact they used in expressing them. Honestly, I believe that if this was in the same legal speak as Microsoft's monster Live TOS, it wouldn't be getting this much attention.
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The Deadman	Apr 24 2010, 09:35 PM Post #30
Hydrocity Act 2 Posts: 108 Group: B Rank Adventurer Member #10,120 Joined: July 5, 2009	this proves that Sony is a joke. start turning on your 360 or Wiis



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