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Should the "Sonic Only" rule be removed in Casino Park?
Yes	25 (56.8%)
Yes (But only if it's replaced by a new anti-spam rule)	16 (36.4%)
No	3 (6.8%)
Total Votes: 44

Casino Park; The Sonic Rule
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 31 2010, 06:26 PM (2,159 Views)
Katsuko	Mar 31 2010, 06:26 PM Post #1
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	I'd like to make a few observations. 1. The Casino is, by far, the most popular forum on this site, and for good reason. It's fun. It gives members an opportunity to relax, to kick back and be random. It's a good hangout. 2. The most popular games in the Casino, by far, are the ones without a Sonic twist. These would include Caption the Avatar, Post before a mod/admin comes, corrupt a wish, etc. They're fun, they're simple, they don't take a lot of thought. 3. The rule for the Casino ("please make sure [your game] has a Sonic twist to it.") prevents any more of these kinds of games from coming about. Now, there are two questions here. First of all, does this rule add anything significant to the forum, and second of all, does this rule take anything from the forum? As to the first point, no, it adds nothing. Sonic games can and will be made with or without the rule, and although complete Sonic-themed solidarity might be kind of cool, especially if there were another section for the secular games, that's just not how it's worked out. Because of the large number of popular non-Sonic topics that existed before this rule, most of the forum is already consumed with old stuff that has nothing to do with Sonic. The rule claims that the Sonic twist adds uniqueness to the fun... But that's just not true. I seriously doubt that anyone's going to come along and say, "Wow, this caption the avatar is so original because you can only make sonic references! That really sets it apart from all the other games!" It's like recoloring a sprite and calling it a unique character design. And does this rule take away? Well, it makes it much more difficult to introduce new games. If you look at other boards, there are plethora of very popular ideas not present at the Casino Park, and some people might enjoy them... But it's really hard to bend some rules to a Sonic theme. Take that caption the avatar example from above. Would it really be fun to be restricted to only Sonic captions, or would it just make the whole thing harder and more frustrating? It limits the scope of the game too much, and that's going to be true of a lot of Casino type games, whose entire point relies on the open-ended randomness of the rules. So, I suggest that this rule be scrapped in favor of a greater variety of Casino Park fun. Edited by Katsuko, Mar 31 2010, 07:56 PM.
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Lord Tora Unlimited Crusader	Mar 31 2010, 06:44 PM Post #2
【The Knight of Tigers 】 Posts: 5,462 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,733 Joined: March 17, 2008 Gender: Male Country: Australia 3DS Friend Code: 0404-6433-6113 Steam ID: crusaderandtimothy	As far as I remember (and correct me if I'm wrong), the rule mostly came about for two reasons; 1: This is a Sonic forum, and apparently that means that EVERYTHING must be Sonic-themed. shrug 2: It prevented the Casino Park from being flooded with pointless games ("Is there such a thing?" Probably not, Tim, probably not...) that were, at the time if memory serves me right, being somewhat of a niggling issue. Having said that, however, I agree with Yves; the rule is kinda redundant. For example, many people have suggested good ideas for games, but we've had to turn them down saying "Well, sorry, but it ain't Sonic-themed." Some may say it isn't hard to add a 'twist' to it. Yyyyyyeah. That may be true for 50% of forum games, but for the other 50%... well, it's a naive thought to think that EVERYTHING can be altered so easily. Also, in terms of pointless topics, our moderation staff is a much... dare I say 'younger and more active' generation than the previous guys, so we have the collective time and energy to deal with that without getting frustrated over it. Plus, many of the folks who hang about in the Casino Park aren't quite so noobish as the crowds of old were, so the chance of dumb topics being posted is significantly less.
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L Dragon	Mar 31 2010, 08:36 PM Post #3
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	Good points Tim... However, everyone IS aware that its a spam forum, to which the games aren't even played and random conversations end up being the majority of the posts. To be honest, who cares about the rules and what they say. All these 'great ideas' will just end up being conversation topics anyways. the banned topic was turned into a conversation topic, you simply just add Banned, and then carry on with said conversation. The last post to win topic is another Shack topic. You'll get one or two people saying 'I win!' but thats about it. What we need to to have people actually PLAY the games as their suppose to, and not turn the topics into chat topics. However, having the mods/adminds patrol the Casino area would defeat the purpose of it being a spam forum, no? Then again, I heard it somewhere that the Casino isn't really a spam forum, or it wasn't meant to be one... Something like that. Either way, whats the point of having Sonic based games or non Sonic based games, when their not even being played as they should be, and the topics end up turning into conversation topics?
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`TakeCare	Mar 31 2010, 08:38 PM Post #4
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Neo Metallix	Mar 31 2010, 08:56 PM Post #5
~Doomsday Overlord~ Posts: 15,568 Group: =SB= Emperor Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2006 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: Doc_Of_D Game Currently Playing: Tales of Xillia	I vote for locking all of the stupid, pointless topics. It is not a SPAM forum and never was. If spam is allowed, the mods aren't doing their job. Quote: The rule claims that the Sonic twist adds uniqueness to the fun... But that's just not true. I seriously doubt that anyone's going to come along and say, "Wow, this caption the avatar is so original because you can only make sonic references! That really sets it apart from all the other games!" It's like recoloring a sprite and calling it a unique character design. The rule does not claim it adds anymore fun to it, but putting a Sonic-Twist on an idea can lead to something being more unique. I don't see why it has to be so uninspired like your example. It all is up to the creator to be creative. I haven't seen one forum that has Sonic games so why not be different? Quote: And does this rule take away? Well, it makes it much more difficult to introduce new games. If you look at other boards, there are plethora of very popular ideas not present at the Casino Park, and some people might enjoy them... But it's really hard to bend some rules to a Sonic theme. Take that caption the avatar example from above. Would it really be fun to be restricted to only Sonic captions, or would it just make the whole thing harder and more frustrating? It limits the scope of the game too much, and that's going to be true of a lot of Casino type games, whose entire point relies on the open-ended randomness of the rules. Going by your example, it does not make it more difficult to introduce new games. After all, all you have to do is change a few words and BAM it's Sonic-related... I don't see how you can go one way with one example and then the complete opposite with another. Quote: 1: This is a Sonic forum, and apparently that means that EVERYTHING must be Sonic-themed. shrug Uh, no. It's just so it isn't a completely off-topic pile of crap. Maybe the rule should be, try to be Sonic-related but not everything has to be? Nevertheless, a Spam forum it is not and those cancerous topics must be incinerated in the most painful of ways, forum chemo.
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Katsuko	Mar 31 2010, 08:58 PM Post #6
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	Quote: Uh, no. It's just so it isn't a completely off-topic pile of crap. Maybe the rule should be, try to be Sonic-related but not everything has to be? Nevertheless, a Spam forum it is not and those cancerous topics must be incinerated in the most painful of ways, forum chemo. Ok, I responded to everything else, got to this point, and deleted it all because I realized where the problem is and everything else is totally irrelevant. Yes, Casino Park needs regulation. Yes, we need to destroy the pointless topics, the stupid games, the dead games... But forcing everything to be Sonic related doesn't do that. It just makes all the spam sonic-related spam. And there are games we're missing out on, because like TUC said, there are a lot of really good ideas out there, and not all of them can be Sonic related. I'm just saying that creative people who are willing to put time and effort and thought into a non-Sonic related game should be allowed to put their work here. So, how does this sound. I'll sit down tonight, tomorrow... Sometime, and write up a simple list of rules that would make the Casino Park manageable and open to new games. I'll post them here, you guys can fiddle with them and bend them (because they'll doubtlessly be imperfect) and if you like the results, they can replace the Sonic rule. Would that work? Edited by Katsuko, Mar 31 2010, 09:16 PM.
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L Dragon	Mar 31 2010, 09:08 PM Post #7
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	Neo Metallix Mar 31 2010, 08:56 PM I vote for locking all of the stupid, pointless topics. It is not a SPAM forum and never was. If spam is allowed, the mods aren't doing their job. Quote: The rule claims that the Sonic twist adds uniqueness to the fun... But that's just not true. I seriously doubt that anyone's going to come along and say, "Wow, this caption the avatar is so original because you can only make sonic references! That really sets it apart from all the other games!" It's like recoloring a sprite and calling it a unique character design. The rule does not claim it adds anymore fun to it, but putting a Sonic-Twist on an idea can lead to something being more unique. I don't see why it has to be so uninspired like your example. It all is up to the creator to be creative. I haven't seen one forum that has Sonic games so why not be different? Quote: And does this rule take away? Well, it makes it much more difficult to introduce new games. If you look at other boards, there are plethora of very popular ideas not present at the Casino Park, and some people might enjoy them... But it's really hard to bend some rules to a Sonic theme. Take that caption the avatar example from above. Would it really be fun to be restricted to only Sonic captions, or would it just make the whole thing harder and more frustrating? It limits the scope of the game too much, and that's going to be true of a lot of Casino type games, whose entire point relies on the open-ended randomness of the rules. Going by your example, it does not make it more difficult to introduce new games. After all, all you have to do is change a few words and BAM it's Sonic-related... I don't see how you can go one way with one example and then the complete opposite with another. Quote: 1: This is a Sonic forum, and apparently that means that EVERYTHING must be Sonic-themed. shrug Uh, no. It's just so it isn't a completely off-topic pile of crap. Maybe the rule should be, try to be Sonic-related but not everything has to be? Nevertheless, a Spam forum it is not and those cancerous topics must be incinerated in the most painful of ways, forum chemo. high fives Which is why I understand that having that rule has kept the forum from going all crazy. Yves, your not understanding me. I'm saying the rules aren't really important right now until we solve the other stuff first, like getting everyone to actually play the darn games right. Like the count to ten before a mod shows up. That HAD a sonic twist to it, but now you can just carry on with a convo while counting.(yes, I'm guilty for not following the rules of that topic) This is what I'm saying. The game HAD a Sonic twist, then it was completely ignored and turned into a conversation topic. If the game didn't have a Sonic twist, the topic would of STILL turned into a conversation topic. I say keep the rule, then enforce that the games actually be played right. As well, why does it matter if the rule is there or not. People will just turn the Sonic related game in to a non sonic related game, then into a conversation topic, and none of the mods/admins will do anything. So why even bother bringing this up?
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Katsuko	Mar 31 2010, 09:16 PM Post #8
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	edited previous post for Metallix Quote: I say keep the rule, then enforce that the games actually be played right. As well, why does it matter if the rule is there or not. People will just turn the Sonic related game in to a non sonic related game, then into a conversation topic, and none of the mods/admins will do anything. So why even bother bringing this up? Because I want to make a reasonable game with a lot of thought put into it, and I'm willing to work hard enough to keep the quality high, but I don't want to make it sonic-related, and it irks me, and I'm sure I'm not alone. edit: And that's not to say that it's about me. I could easily just present the game to an admin, show them why it's not spam, and I'm sure I could get an exception made. I'm just saying that this rule blocks potential awesomeness and it's possible to have all the benefits of the rule and more plus a greater degree of freedom for everyone. Quote: high fives Which is why I understand that having that rule has kept the forum from going all crazy. How? None of the popular games that follow the rules now are Sonic themed. Edited by Katsuko, Mar 31 2010, 11:18 PM.
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L Dragon	Mar 31 2010, 09:31 PM Post #9
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	Yves Mar 31 2010, 09:16 PM edited for Metallix Quote: I say keep the rule, then enforce that the games actually be played right. As well, why does it matter if the rule is there or not. People will just turn the Sonic related game in to a non sonic related game, then into a conversation topic, and none of the mods/admins will do anything. So why even bother bringing this up? Because I want to make a reasonable game with a lot of thought put into it, and I'm willing to work hard enough to keep the quality high, but I don't want to make it sonic-related, and it irks me, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Quote: high fives Which is why I understand that having that rule has kept the forum from going all crazy. How? None of the popular games that follow the rules now are Sonic themed. 1. Then simply ask a mod/admin if you can add a game that you think will be worth putting into the Casino. You don't need to make a whole show just cause YOU want to do something that went against the rules. If ya don't want to put a sonic twist to it, then run it by Metallix. I'm pretty sure he wont blow you off with a quick no. Asking never hurt. 2. Did you forget why we had the rule added to begin with? It was installed to ensure that the Casino wont turn into a spam fest. If that rule wasn't in there, we'd get a lot of noobs making random spam fest everywhere. As well, all the games with a sonic twist aren't all out of whack like some of the other topics... Well, most of them aren't. Either way, the rule has helped. I really don't need to explain to you how its helped, just look around the Casino. 3. We have rules for a reason, and it'd be nice if people just followed them and not complained about them. After all, why complain about a rule that isn't being followed in the first place?
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Katsuko	Mar 31 2010, 09:43 PM Post #10
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	Quote: 1. Then simply ask a mod/admin if you can add a game that you think will be worth putting into the Casino. You don't need to make a whole show just cause YOU want to do something that went against the rules. If ya don't want to put a sonic twist to it, then run it by Metallix. I'm pretty sure he wont blow you off with a quick no. Asking never hurt. You seem to be taking this very personally )= I noticed something that could work better. I'm proposing a solution so that the entire Casino forum can be better�for everyone. It's not about me. I just happened to notice this problem because it affected me. Quote: 2. Did you forget why we had the rule added to begin with? It was installed to ensure that the Casino wont turn into a spam fest. But, you say later that no one follows that rule. Hence, if something has changed in the Casino Park, it's that the forum in general has become more mature, because that Sonic rule hasn't had any effect if no one's obeying it. Quote: 3. We have rules for a reason, and it'd be nice if people just followed them and not complained about them. After all, why complain about a rule that isn't being followed in the first place? Well, I'm not complaining. I'm making a reasonable argument that this rule, while well intentioned, does not fulfill its purpose as well as it might, and it has negative side-effects. I've suggested a solution, and I've offered to do the work to create that solution myself. It's not about whining, or attention-whoring, or trying to break the rules. It's about trying to find a system that works better for everyone. I'm not looking to start a fight. I'm just suggesting that it's possible to make rules that prevent spammy posting, that keeps the quality high, that don't keep out the good non-Sonic games. Seriously, you haven't talked at all about why this alternative, which preserves freedom, wouldn't work. Why can't we have rules against Spam, which is the real enemy, instead of a rule against games not related to Sonic, which have the potential to be awesome? Edited by Katsuko, Mar 31 2010, 10:02 PM.
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L Dragon	Mar 31 2010, 10:11 PM Post #11
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	I say its not being followed because a topic generally breaks the rule later on, not when its first created. If a new person sees that they can only post sonic related games, they wont post spam games and actually have to think of a way to make their topic a game, and not some random topic. This rule isn't actually hurting anyone. Big deal, some games can't be added because its not sonic related. If making it sonic related is a BAD thing, then why are we even on a Sonic forum? Why is making a game sonic related bad? Because it wont get as much spam? Because people actually have to THINK and use their noodle to make a fun game that stays within the sonic realm? Either way, my point is this. The rule serves a purpose. And you could just ask to have your game thrown in. As well, are you going to tell people that they can't post that way should your game not be played right? Because most people there think the forum is a spam forum, in which they can do whatever they want within reason(flaming, bashing, ect) I just don't understand why you needed to make a public announcement for something you wanted to do. You want the rule to change so you can do what you want to do. That sounds pretty selfish to me, to be honest. Just ask Metallix if you can do the game, case closed. We don't NEED to change the rule.
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Katsuko	Mar 31 2010, 10:40 PM Post #12
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	So, I just finished writing out this massive response that responded to every point made and... I don't know. It's too long, too redundant. It's stuff like ~~ Quote: If making it sonic related is a BAD thing I never said that making a Sonic related game is a bad thing. I'm arguing for system in which there will be Sonic games, there will be non-Sonic games, and there will be little to no spam. ~~ I've already answered these, and I don't want to be redundant. So, I'm just going to go back to my central argument, because I think it answers all the problems people have raised. After that, I'll leave things in the hands of the staff unless someone makes a legitimate case on why this suggestion doesn't work. Here it is: I'd like to start out by pointing out that TUC's a guy of good taste. TUC is someone the staff has held onto as a moderator for a long time, someone we recognize as mature. I'm sure he's smart enough to tell the difference between a good game and spam. I would like to quote him: Quote: Many people have suggested good ideas for games, but we've had to turn them down saying "Well, sorry, but it ain't Sonic-themed." Some may say it isn't hard to add a 'twist' to it. Yyyyyyeah. That may be true for 50% of forum games, but for the other 50%... well, it's a naive thought to think that EVERYTHING can be altered so easily. We have missed out on good ideas because of this rule. Now, if we removed the rules altogether, that wouldn't work for all the legitimate reasons L talks about, but that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting different rules. What kind of rules? Well, we'd have to think about it, but I think a good place to start would be "all topics here must be a game that live up to the staff's standards. All posts must participate in that game, following the rules of the OP. Any topics that are deemed overly spammy or which deviate from their original design will be closed or revamped." See, with rules like that, we can keep down the spam. Will the mods have to watch the topics and perform quality control kind of subjectively? Yes. But they have to do that now anyway. At the same time, we can let in what TUC calls good ideas, and we can enjoy them. We can all benefit from the fun generated by good ideas. We can have our cake and eat it. So, I ask again, why not? ~~~ As for accusations of selfishness, I see this rule as a pot-hole. Maybe it damaged my car, but that doesn't mean fixing it is selfish. Other people will benefit from the smoother road. That's why I'm doing this. This is, after all, a suggestions forums. Now, I can handle it, but personal judgements like that tend to hurt people's feelings, so maybe we can keep those out and focus on the topic, please? <3 And... sorry this has gone on so long. I usually try to avoid long-winded processions like this, but I really think this is a reasonable point. Edited by Katsuko, Apr 1 2010, 12:02 AM.
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L Dragon	Apr 1 2010, 08:33 AM Post #13
Chaos Emerald Posts: 691 Group: S Rank Knight Member #746 Joined: March 19, 2007	Yes, your argument is redundant, as your not listening to what I'm saying. Your bringing up a rule that was put there because a problem surfaced so we had to correct that problem, a 'pot-hole,' as you called it. As well, and listen to me carefully now, the rule gets ignored most of the time. picture war, like a boss, this game - ^,<,V, and a few others HAVE been added recently and none of the mods/admins did anything about it. Why? Maybe they thought those games were a 'good idea' to NOT have a sonic twist and keep as a fun game. Or maybe a mod created the game at the time. The thing is, your making the mods/admins opinion of a game a rule, saying that only they can determine if a game is a 'good idea' or not. 'all topics must live up to their standards?' what makes you think this rule is fair? What if some people like said game, but one mod/admin thinks its a spamming game? 'All posts must participate in that game,' that rule was already broken when people couldn't keep to making the game sonic related, and/or they turned it into a conversation topic. My point is, why start taking away rules and start adding new ones, when the rules aren't even being followed to begin with? Why go through such a thing when the rules are just going to be tossed out the window anyways. The Casino is a relaxing place, why bring all the hassle to that forum when the mods have to go out and patrol the rest of forum? The Casino is a place where mods can kick back and relax as well, where they can goof off and have fun. Your giving them more work, while turning a fun place into another forum that needs patrolling. If anything, I'm just a rp mod, so what do I know about the anything else? Like you said, leaves this to the staff to think about and so on. Whatever happens, happens, I suppose.
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Katsuko	Apr 1 2010, 11:05 AM Post #14
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	Alright, so there was one interesting argument I hadn't responded to. Sorry I missed it x3 Quote: As well, and listen to me carefully now, the rule gets ignored most of the time Ok, fair enough. If the rule is consistently ignored, then it doesn�t do any harm, and the Casino can function appropriately. I�ll give you that. That said, I�d like to make two points about this situation: 1) The rule is not consistently ignored. TUC specifically said that he turned down games that seemed high-quality to him. Furthermore, members who respect the rules will not post games that break the rules. I would not post my game if it disobeyed the rules, and if I were a new member, I wouldn�t be so presumptuous as to request an exception from the staff. It�s silly to make a rule with the expectation that it will be broken for the forum to even function. Therefore, we still miss out on potentially good games if we continue with the status quo. 2) If you don�t enforce a rule, what�s the point of having that rule? Doesn�t having an inane and ignored rule degrade the respect for the rules in general? Well, it�sto keep out the spam, you say. OK, how does this rule keep out spam? Well, it doesn�t if it�s Sonic-related spam. If it�s non-Sonic spam, then the mods basically look at the topic and decide, based on their opinion, �is this spammy or is this worth making an exception to the rule for?� So, all that stuff you say about mods making arbitrary decisions, about mods having to follow an extra forum to keep out a spam�we�re already doing that. By your own logic, that�s exactly the system we have now. It�s just informal, undefined, and is worded in a way that will bar perfectly good games. Why not just say we�re doing what we�re doing and thereby cut down on the confusion such as what led to this topic?
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Spanner	Apr 1 2010, 01:14 PM Post #15
... Posts: 1,651 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,651 Joined: January 11, 2009 Steam ID: sonicepsilon	I hover around that place and there are some non-Sonic games in it. In any case, it's a silly spam forum that increments no post count. Nothing else.



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