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Newscast: Nanobots kill Cancer
Topic Started: Mar 29 2010, 02:05 PM (996 Views)
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I had friend on another forum show me this, and while I tend to be skeptical of so-called "breakthroughs," this looks legit to me.

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Look close. You may be staring at the end of cancer. Those tiny black dots are nanobots delivering a lethal blow to a cancerous cell, effectively killing it. The first trial on humans has been a success, with no side-effects:

It sneaks in, evades the immune system, delivers the siRNA, and the disassembled components exit out.

Those are the words of Mark Davis, head of the research team that created the nanobot anti-cancer army at the California Institute of Technology. According to a study to be published in Nature, Davis' team has discovered a clean, safe way to deliver RNAi sequences to cancerous cells. RNAi (Ribonucleic acid interference) is a technique that attacks specific genes in malign cells, disabling functions inside and killing them.

The 70-nanometer attack bots—made with two polymers and a protein that attaches to the cancerous cell's surface—carry a piece of RNA called small-interfering RNA (siRNA), which deactivates the production of a protein, starving the malign cell to death. Once it has delivered its lethal blow, the nanoparticle breaks down into tiny pieces that get eliminated by the body in the urine.

The most amazing thing is that you can send as many of these soldiers as you want, and they will keep attaching to the bad guys, killing them left, right, and center, and stopping tumors. According to Davis, "the more [they] put in, the more ends up where they are supposed to be, in tumour cells." While they will have to finish the trials to make sure that there are no side-effects whatsoever, the team is very happy with the successful results and it's excited about what's coming:

What's so exciting is that virtually any gene can be targeted now. Every protein now is druggable. My hope is to make tumours melt away while maintaining a high quality of life for the patients. We're moving another step closer to being able to do that now.
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Wow...if this is true, that would be a great thing for cancer paitents.
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That's pretty impressive. I don't think they should have this kind of treatment for smokers who have cancer, though. They had their warning.
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The only problem I see is that these nanos could be very expensive, and they could potentially malfunction and attack healthy cells.
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Mar 29 2010, 03:10 PM
The only problem I see is that these nanos could be very expensive, and they could potentially malfunction and attack healthy cells.
This is true. I don't know about the expense, but these things are definitely going to be dangerous if they attack the wrong cells or even the wrong proteins.

That said, every treatment has its risks. You can be allergic to a vaccination, or have an unusually strong reaction to chemotherapy. Medicine in general isn't safe.
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The fact that they have killed cancerous cells is a pretty good breakthrough in itself. Sure, it may not be perfect and could have malfunctions, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.
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Mar 29 2010, 03:20 PM
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The only problem I see is that these nanos could be very expensive, and they could potentially malfunction and attack healthy cells.
This is true. I don't know about the expense, but these things are definitely going to be dangerous if they attack the wrong cells or even the wrong proteins.

That said, every treatment has its risks. You can be allergic to a vaccination, or have an unusually strong reaction to chemotherapy. Medicine in general isn't safe.
True, but this has a much higher risk factor than a potential allergy, as it has the potential to affect everyone and not just a select few people in the case of an allergic reaction.
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True, but this has a much higher risk factor than a potential allergy, as it has the potential to affect everyone and not just a select few people in the case of an allergic reaction.


Not really. You're assuming that all nano-bots run according to a central processor outside the host body, but actually, each nano-bot would be programmed for the individual patient, and as they break up in the blood stream after a period of time, they could not leave a given host to attack another. Because of that, nano-bot accidents would only harm the treated patient, not everyone who ever had the treatment.

The real question would be the frequency of accidents, whether the risk outweighed the benefit considering the deadliness of the cancer and the availability of other effective options.
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Mar 29 2010, 03:24 PM
The fact that they have killed cancerous cells is a pretty good breakthrough in itself. Sure, it may not be perfect and could have malfunctions, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.
I agree wholeheartedly.

Let's just hope they find a way to make the risk low...
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I'm always concerned with nanotechnology with regards to medicine. If there's something being injected into my body that I can't see and my immune system can't detect, how do I know it's going to leave? And from there, how do I know if, after it's stopped the affected cells, it won't start attacking healthy cells? Or even that my immune system won't catch it and make me sick trying to destroy it?

In full, I don't trust man-made things touted as low- or no-risk. Hell, even the natural solution for our most basic needs are risky. I don't want to take any more risks for my survival than I need to. If I ever develop cancer, I'm not accepting this treatment until it's been tested so neurotically there isn't a hint of doubt in my mind that the risks are acceptable.
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If this turns out to work, we need to effectively end Chemo. That procedure only makes you better and ends your pain by killing you off... making the process even more painful up until the end date.

I hope this is the real deal because if we can kill Cancer with methods like this, maybe they'd be effective on HIV/AIDs as well as a precise countermeasure.
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I hope this is the real deal because if we can kill Cancer with methods like this, maybe they'd be effective on HIV/AIDs as well as a precise countermeasure.
The possibilities are endless it would seem.

But as likely as it could be used as a cure, chances are it was most likely originally conceived as a weapon. And if not, people are going to come up with some messed up stuff pretty quickly.

The real dark side of humanity is about to appear.
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If this treatment is as substantial a breakthrough as this article portrays it to be, then I assume it would be all over the media by now. In my opinion, cancer will continue to plague humankind for years to come.
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I hope this is the real deal because if we can kill Cancer with methods like this, maybe they'd be effective on HIV/AIDs as well as a precise countermeasure.
The possibilities are endless it would seem.

But as likely as it could be used as a cure, chances are it was most likely originally conceived as a weapon. And if not, people are going to come up with some messed up stuff pretty quickly.

The real dark side of humanity is about to appear.
I agree with that. Splitting the atom was originally for good, but people turned it into a weapon. Who's to say they can't make these things airborne and target specific people?
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I hope this is the real deal because if we can kill Cancer with methods like this, maybe they'd be effective on HIV/AIDs as well as a precise countermeasure.
The possibilities are endless it would seem.

But as likely as it could be used as a cure, chances are it was most likely originally conceived as a weapon. And if not, people are going to come up with some messed up stuff pretty quickly.

The real dark side of humanity is about to appear.
Oh, no doubt. Anything that can be weaponized will be weaponized given enough time. There's no stopping that.

But, that isn't a legitimate reason for stopping the research because people will still develop nano-bot based weapons even if no legitimate researchers try to put the technology to a productive end. After all, the nuclear bomb preceded the nuclear reactor.

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If this treatment is as substantial a breakthrough as this article portrays it to be, then I assume it would be all over the media by now. In my opinion, cancer will continue to plague humankind for years to come.


Maybe. But an argument from silence is a logical fallacy, and news organizations have a lot to report on, and they're not usually good about picking up the substantial stuff anyway. If we spend half our time fixated on the likes of Paris Hilton, and the other half is consumed with health-care reform, some big events are going to fall under the radar.

Besides, Mark Davis is a legitimate guy with real credentials. You can look up him and ten different articles on his work on nano-medicine easy.
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