Mephiles?

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Mephiles?; Should he had appeared in a different Sonic title than 06?
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Needless Nyx	Mar 28 2010, 06:53 PM Post #1
Hydrocity Act 1 Posts: 77 Group: C Rank Adventurer Member #10,309 Joined: August 31, 2009	This is a question I pondered for a while and so did my friends online. Should Mephiles from Sonic 06 appeared in a different Sonic Title? Me and my friends believe he was an amazing antagonist, and that 06 did not do him justice as one. I am entirely unbiased about him. I don't care "who played his voice" or "He killed Sonic" I just find that he has an interesting tie in with Shadow, literally being Shadow's shadow. He was a darker character who was far more scheming than Doctor Ivo Robotnik himself and I believe even though 06 showed that their own game wasn't canon, that he deserved a better role as a Villain. My friends discussed that he would of been better in Shadow the Hedgehog instead of Black Doom. So I'm wondering what you guys think? Would of Mephiles been better in another Sonic game? Theory away! ^^ -Nyx- [EDIT] Oh snap! sorry wrong section! Can someone move this to the proper board please? my mistake Edited by Needless Nyx, Mar 28 2010, 06:58 PM.
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Zak	Mar 28 2010, 07:00 PM Post #2
For The Circle Posts: 4,002 Group: D Rank Legend Member #9,748 Joined: February 10, 2009 3DS Friend Code: 1118-0225-4062 Steam ID: zakth686	I agree that Mephiles was An awesome antagonist, but he was erased from existance, so there is no way for SEGA to bring him back with out making a huuuuge plot hole. Plus if they did, they'd also have to bring back iblis. And Elise is someone we don't need back.
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Needless Nyx	Mar 28 2010, 07:03 PM Post #3
Hydrocity Act 1 Posts: 77 Group: C Rank Adventurer Member #10,309 Joined: August 31, 2009	I understand that, but what I'm trying to say was- what if Mephiles wasn't in the 06 game and instead Sega created him for something like Shadow the Hedgehog? Would he be a better Villain than Black Doom? I'm basically asking a "What If" Sorry if I wasn't clear... But yeah there would be plotholes and no one wants an 06 again...
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Phoenix-Saturn	Mar 28 2010, 07:07 PM Post #4
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	Zak Mar 28 2010, 07:00 PM I agree that Mephiles was An awesome antagonist, but he was erased from existance, so there is no way for SEGA to bring him back with out making a huuuuge plot hole. Plus if they did, they'd also have to bring back iblis. And Elise is someone we don't need back. There's ALWAYS a way. For example, the whole Time Paradox plot hole means that Mephiles can't have been erased from existance, because if he had never existed then there would have been no reason to go back in time in the first place, and thus he could not have been erased from the timeline. The easiest way for him to come back is for some time traveller to stop Sonic and Elise from altering the past, then somehow destroying Iblis but not Mephiles.
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Lord Master of Darkness�	Mar 29 2010, 02:53 PM Post #5
Posts: 6,570 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,063 Joined: February 19, 2008 Xbox Live Gamertag: The Stig Pwnz Steam ID: mod1982	Nyx Vesperia Sage Mar 28 2010, 07:03 PM what if Mephiles wasn't in the 06 game and instead Sega created him for something like Shadow the Hedgehog? Would he be a better Villain than Black Doom? Then what you're proposing is to remove '06 from existence. This gets massive thumbs up from me ^^ Being serious though, I hear what you're saying. '06 had an awesome plot, but I dunno... I can't really see an entire game being made where Mephiles is the main bad guy. The chances of that happening are better than old-school Sonic fans getting a proper 2D game though. Oh wait, I see what I did there.
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Phoenix-Saturn	Mar 29 2010, 02:58 PM Post #6
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	Master of Darkness Mar 29 2010, 02:53 PM Nyx Vesperia Sage Mar 28 2010, 07:03 PM what if Mephiles wasn't in the 06 game and instead Sega created him for something like Shadow the Hedgehog? Would he be a better Villain than Black Doom? Then what you're proposing is to remove '06 from existence. This gets massive thumbs up from me ^^ Being serious though, I hear what you're saying. '06 had an awesome plot, but I dunno... I can't really see an entire game being made where Mephiles is the main bad guy. The chances of that happening are better than old-school Sonic fans getting a proper 2D game though. Oh wait, I see what I did there. ... Are you seriously not satisfied with how SEGA is bending over backwards to give you 2D retrofans a 2D game? It's true, though, that a game with Mephiles as the only villain would be difficult, because he's fairly low-key until he has to be.
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Lord Master of Darkness�	Mar 29 2010, 03:14 PM Post #7
Posts: 6,570 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,063 Joined: February 19, 2008 Xbox Live Gamertag: The Stig Pwnz Steam ID: mod1982	I am made of winsauce today. Also please note that I am taking lessons off Sega - best trolls ever. Seriously, bending over backwards to give peeps like me a 2D game? Riiiiight. They had a chance to do well but dragged it out - I point you towards their fanart contests We need a Mephiles to smite Sega and erase their stupidity from existence.
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~~Sonic Adventure 2~~	Mar 30 2010, 05:30 AM Post #8
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,442 Group: Continue? Member #4,279 Joined: December 13, 2007	Zak Mar 28 2010, 07:00 PM I agree that Mephiles was An awesome antagonist, but he was erased from existance, so there is no way for SEGA to bring him back with out making a huuuuge plot hole. Plus if they did, they'd also have to bring back iblis. And Elise is someone we don't need back. Sega did it to Shadow, they can do it to Mephiles again. Shadow himself left a plothole, Mephiles can do the same if they bring him back.



`TakeCare	Mar 30 2010, 06:15 AM Post #9
-sigh- Posts: 2,390 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,520 Joined: November 29, 2008 Gender: Male 3DS Friend Code: ask Game Currently Playing: Smash 4	Sonic Adventure 2 Mar 30 2010, 05:30 AM Zak Mar 28 2010, 07:00 PM I agree that Mephiles was An awesome antagonist, but he was erased from existance, so there is no way for SEGA to bring him back with out making a huuuuge plot hole. Plus if they did, they'd also have to bring back iblis. And Elise is someone we don't need back. Sega did it to Shadow, they can do it to Mephiles again. Shadow himself left a plothole, Mephiles can do the same if they bring him back. Shadow's circumstance is much easier than Mephiles'. It was THOUGHT that at the end of Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow had died. However, one of the endings in Shadow the Hedgehog clearly shows/explains why he didn't die in his plummet to the planet. Therefore Shadow's still around. To bring Mephiles back is a whole different story because now we're dealing with a time paradox, which can get complicated. To the topic at hand: Mephiles was an interesting antagonist. It's a shame that he was erased.
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Cee Jay Haych	Mar 30 2010, 03:11 PM Post #10
"I didn't use the whole thing ...." Posts: 3,252 Group: =SB= Kings Member #9,868 Joined: March 28, 2009	Best Evil Laugh EVER! I like Mephiles as a villian because he was actually evil, I mean he did kill Sonic didn't he, by stabbing him in the back no less.



~~Sonic Adventure 2~~	Mar 31 2010, 07:03 AM Post #11
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,442 Group: Continue? Member #4,279 Joined: December 13, 2007	`TakeCare Mar 30 2010, 06:15 AM Sonic Adventure 2 Mar 30 2010, 05:30 AM Zak Mar 28 2010, 07:00 PM I agree that Mephiles was An awesome antagonist, but he was erased from existance, so there is no way for SEGA to bring him back with out making a huuuuge plot hole. Plus if they did, they'd also have to bring back iblis. And Elise is someone we don't need back. Sega did it to Shadow, they can do it to Mephiles again. Shadow himself left a plothole, Mephiles can do the same if they bring him back. Shadow's circumstance is much easier than Mephiles'. It was THOUGHT that at the end of Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow had died. However, one of the endings in Shadow the Hedgehog clearly shows/explains why he didn't die in his plummet to the planet. Therefore Shadow's still around. To bring Mephiles back is a whole different story because now we're dealing with a time paradox, which can get complicated. To the topic at hand: Mephiles was an interesting antagonist. It's a shame that he was erased. I've never played Sonic 06, so I probably wouldn't have much say. But what I am saying anyway is that there are ways around time constraints. They may not be the best means of conveying the rest of a story, however, it could be done. I personally did not like the way Shadow came back. It was too general. Sega should make a game solely on how Shadow survived to justify the circumsatnce for me. Yet, Sega pulled it off solely to bring the fan favorite back after he was a "ghost" (SA2 video). They could possibly do the same with Mephiles. Yes, it would be cheesy, yes, it would not necessarily be the best plot, yes, it can be inaccurate, however, it can be done. It goes to show anything is possible in the gaming world. Edited by Sonic Adventure 2, Mar 31 2010, 07:04 AM.



Phoenix-Saturn	Mar 31 2010, 07:43 AM Post #12
i just wwant to be beautiful for this one month Posts: 7,528 Group: A Rank Legend Member #10,191 Joined: July 27, 2009	Again, just throw another time traveller into the mix and it's done. Mephiles can't have been completely erased from existance, or there would have been no time travel in the first place, and he wouldn't have been erased. Simple as that. Time travel always leaves loopholes, SEGA just needas to exploit one.
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Vexiss	Mar 31 2010, 04:42 PM Post #13
Hydrocity Act 1 Posts: 94 Group: C Rank Adventurer Member #10,662 Joined: January 7, 2010	Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the inter-species, game ending, time destroying, reality manipulating kiss pretty much erase any chance of Mephiles coming back into existence? It pretty much shut down the alternate Blaze/Silver/Mephiles future, I though. I dunno, though. Anyway, I don't think Mephiles will ever come back. He was a one off character. Of course, he could - Silver could do something stupid, Mephiles might regenerate from a single brain cell, Sonic's shadow Shadow's shadow might have been burnt into the wall and come back somehow.... There are many ways to bring him back! Also, I don't think Mephiles would really have worked in any other game. Maybe StH, as a long into the future of one of the "bad" endings, showing just how bad Shadow could be. It's a good thing he wasn't in StH - because it wasn't about Shadow's future, it was about his past.



~~Sonic Adventure 2~~	Apr 1 2010, 05:20 AM Post #14
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,442 Group: Continue? Member #4,279 Joined: December 13, 2007	Phoenix_Saturn Mar 31 2010, 07:43 AM Again, just throw another time traveller into the mix and it's done. Mephiles can't have been completely erased from existance, or there would have been no time travel in the first place, and he wouldn't have been erased. Simple as that. Time travel always leaves loopholes, SEGA just needas to exploit one. Another valid point. I completely agree.



Tammy	Apr 7 2010, 01:24 PM Post #15
Lava Reef Act 1 Posts: 2,605 Group: E Rank Legend Member #10,015 Joined: May 29, 2009	Mephiles could very easily have made Sonic '06's storyline good at the very least if there weren't so many flaws overpowering him. I think he should definitely appear in other titles.



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