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| L Dragon | Dec 2 2009, 12:39 AM Post #1 |
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So, I was thinking we should have a fan character discuss, throw in peoples opinions, along with some fan character does and don't according to opinions and so forth. So, this discussion can lead just about anywhere and talk about anything. If you have a question why something should be put or shouldn't be put, then simply ask and discuss. And no, this is not about what happened in NFS's topic. I'm just curious to know what people feel, how they go about making fan characters, why they made certain ones, ect. So, first discuss I'd like to talk about is: Why is it frowned upon to have your fan character come into relation with a sonic based character in their bio? EDIT: no insulting, flaming, or providing any negative post towards another member's fan character. This is a discussion topic, not a 'bash people's fan characters' topic. Topics: 1.Why is it frowned upon to have your fan character come into relation with a sonic based character in their bio Answers Given 2. Is it alright to take an sonic based character as your own if you change them a lot where its like they aren't the same person/being anymore Answers Given 3. Is it frowned upon to have a fan character have the same abilities as a sonic based character, despite if their another species then said sonic character. In other words, can Sonic be the only 'fastest Hedgehog' around? Even more so, can Sonic be the only 'fastest mobian' around? Answers Given 4. Next Topic: Weapons and Items. What are your thoughts of a sonic fan character having swords, guns, spears, ect. Is it breaking the tradition form of a sonic character, or does it make that character that more 'unique' and pushes them away from being just like Sonic and Co. Is it a good or bad thing if so? Edited by L Dragon, Dec 2 2009, 01:57 PM.
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| Lord Tora Unlimited Crusader | Dec 2 2009, 12:54 AM Post #2 |
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MANY, MANY reasons. Ever so many reasons. Here's at least three good (and pretty universal) ones; A: So many roleplayers tie their characters to canon characters that folks like Tails end up with, like, a hundred long-lost brothers and sisters who've never heard of each other. B: While it's okay to adopt concepts and such from other people's creations, taking characters and plots is just plain bad writing. Better to fashion your own 'world' and characters/events therein than create a tiny piece of the puzzle that could grow to be something so much bigger. C: Canon timelines and fan timelines should stay separate for the sake of cosmic simplicity. Once the two start colliding, people get confused or cranky, there's lots of BAAAAAAWING and no-one seems to be able to agree on at least fifty points of each other's interpretations. |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Dec 2 2009, 01:32 AM Post #3 |
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I'll probably be repeating TUC a little but, but nevertheless I think the easiest answer is because it unnecessarily risks canon. One primary attribute and purpose of a fan character is to have some feasibility of fitting within the universe that they're based from. If your fan character has some relation to an official character that hasn't been elaborated on by Sega, such as Knuckles' long-lost sister or something, then it effectively destroys the canon and one of the primary reasons for your fan character to even exist. You might as well thrown in a character from another universe. Furthermore, official characters are essentially the par of characterization that can be achieved by the franchise. Their endorsement and use by Sega practically warrants it. Thus, having a character that has a strong and feasible relationship with an official one gives them a status level that is completely unwarranted and undeserved by the simple fact that, technically, your fan character doesn't even exist. Plus, it's very easy for a character that is heavily associated with official ones to have strengths that supercede those of the official characters or ride on the coattails of a character's aesthetic successes, i.e be a shallow recolor. In short, these unwritten taboos force the creator not to rely on stereotypes that will cripple their character and simultaneously damage the universe. You can have a fan character that is a strong one without it outright plagiarizing Blaze's looks and powers. Edited by BlizShadow, Dec 2 2009, 01:37 AM.
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Dec 2 2009, 07:36 AM Post #4 |
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I'd have to agree with what TUC and Bliz said-it would mess up the canon Sega so...some-what meticulously weaved for us. Now, let's look at a list of the different types of Fan Character/Canon Character relationships, shall we? *'Distanced' Relationship-(I have no other name for this ^^;;): Basically, you've got a fan character that meets the canon cast at the beginning of a fic. The FC may help the CCs with a problem and vice versa. HOWEVER, the relationship the FC has with the CCs is distant at best-they don't become best friends with Sonic, they don't become Amy's love interest, and when the fic comes to an end, they basically just leave the group. Now this, I can take in a fanfic, provided the fan character's relationship with the canon characters doesn't go too far, and the fic itself is well-written of course. Also, I seriously recommend NOT altering the games' storylines just so you can fit your fan character in all the action. *Intimate Relationship: What I like to call, 'A fan character getting too buddy-buddy with a canon character. Put simply, the FC becomes the best friend-or at least a very close pal-of a CC. Sometimes, they even become a permanent part of the group. I strongly suggest not doing this-especially making the FC a permanent part of the group. That would seriously mess up the canon. (I admit, I actually broke this rule when I first started out. ^^;;) *Blood Relationship: Making a fan character a brother, sister, cousin, ect, of a canon character. (They don't have to be blood related, but I've yet to see a fan character adopted into the family of a canon one) How many long-lost brothers and sisters does Tails have in the fandom world? Waaaay too many to list. This, I very much frown upon, for the same reason that TUC and Bliz mentioned before-the canon would be ruined. Now, depending on the universe, I'm a liiiitle more lenient on parents. After all, while Sonic may not have a sibling, he could not have existed without parents. If you want to include a character's parents, you could, just as long as you follow the canon. *Romantic Relationship: I can't put it any more simply then; FC x CC. The romantic relationship between a fan character and a canon character. No. Just no. I draw the line at these. Do not create a character just so they can be the love interest of one of the canon characters. Put CCs with CCs and FCs with FCs. This has been another ranting ramble by the forum's very own Blaire Fields. Thank you for reading, though I hope you didn't stop at the fifth mention of the word 'canon'. (Sheesh, I must have type that word almost fifty times.) |
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| L Dragon | Dec 2 2009, 08:32 AM Post #5 |
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I'm more agreeing with Blaire on the first part. However, I disagree with the whole mother and father bit at the end there. As well, having a fan character be the son or daughter of two sonic based character, say, amy and sonic. Sure, Amy is madly in love with Sonic, but their still teenagers.(even though most teenagers are the ones giving birth now a days.) Also, Amy is younger the Sonic, almost like his fan girl it would seem. Also, this breaks my little 'rule of thumb' if you will; which is, if your character can't stand alone, without the sonic based characters, then its a no no. Everything else said I would have to roll with I guess, seeing as how having so many brothers and sisters would make a hole in the universe. (even though I'm moving onto the next topic, others can still voice their opinions on this subject.) Next Question/Topic: Is it okay to take a sonic based character and 'revamp' them so to speak. As in, making them totally different, and in a sense, a fancharacter. For example; Cy's character, Cy-Fox. His fan character is tails, just futuristic in a sense. Though I applaud him for his many fanfics and well thought out bio of his character, his character is in fact not even his. As well, his characters background collides with that of Shadow the Hedgehog and the Ark.(as far as I read.) Second example; I forgot who did this, but I believe it was on another forum. Someone took the whole Black Arms bit, and turned it towards their character. Kinda like a, after the ShTH game event this happened, deal. They put some effort into making a Black Arms member theirs in sense, but still following what happened in the game, just adding a 'afterward' deal. Mind you, I don't really know much about the Black Arms besides what I've played in the game, which was much cause I stopped cause the game disappointed me. In short, what are your thoughts about these two examples, and if its alright to take an sonic based character as your own if you change them a lot where its like they aren't the same person/being anymore. |
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| SuperShadowgal | Dec 2 2009, 09:14 AM Post #6 |
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Just want to toss in two cents to the first question before I discuss the second (and then hang out all day at school). I once read a fan fic where they decently pulled off a FCxCC pairing. It was a Shadow x Amy Sonic x OC thing and it wasn't too bad. But anyways. So, you mean take Knuckles and revamp him sort of thing? Like make him a 300 spartan with tons of different characteristics? Eh, I find this a tricky subject. Many people don't take kindly to people taking ownership of an already established character, irregardless of whether you've jazzed them up a bit of not. (And here I thought I would be able to write this up before school) Maybe I'll ponder this more once I return home tonight. |
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Dec 2 2009, 09:44 AM Post #7 |
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L, I think you may have misunderstood what I was getting at with the parent thing. I was talking about giving the canon characters parents, not making say, Sonic and Amy parents themselves in a future timeline.
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| L Dragon | Dec 2 2009, 09:52 AM Post #8 |
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Ah! Well, I still kinda have a little issue with that. In some eras of Sonic(sonic underground,) he already has a mother and a grandfather. So, I guess you'd have to be careful if you would do such a thing. I mean, someone COULD make up Sonic's father and have him do this whole big adventure on his own without even mentioning any other Sonic characters or their parents. So, in a sense, I could see how that works, since that character would be just like another hedgehog if Sonic never came into play, makes sense. Now, what about if they have a fancharacter that is Sonic's parents, and its around the time that Sonic is young? Wouldn't that be going against the whole, do not involve said character with sonic based characters? |
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| Lord Talancir D'Landior | Dec 2 2009, 09:57 AM Post #9 |
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I suppose I'll have to drop my two cents here, since I'm one of those people of whom this discussion directly addresses. while it's true that messing with canon is sloppy and unprofessional, IMO there's nothing that says you can't talk about augmentation, or what goes on when the camera's not being recorded. Because canon is set in the proverbial stone, however, there isn't a lot of modification that you can do to a storyline until someone cries foul. The trick, of course, is making such transitions done thoughtfully, intricately, and carefully, guided by lots and lots of research. Let's call up my own RP/fanfic as an example. It takes place in the Archieverse, but it alters the Archieverse canon to the point where people could and would cry foul. The key, of course, is that it's a fanfic. In this RP/fanfic, I introduce Auriel, son of Steppenwolf. Anyone familiar with Knuckles' lineage according to the Archieverse should be raising their eyebrows. Yes, he is a son of Steppenwolf. No, he's not Knuckles' great great grandfather, 16 generations removed. According to Auriel's bio, he's Knuckles' uncle. Knuckles is descended from Steppenwolf through his son, Moonwatcher. Nowhere in canon does it say how many sons Steppenwolf had. The key, I think, to making characters and inserting them into the canon storyline (if you plan on going that route), is looking at the storyline piece by piece, finding the gaps that the canon doesn't have set in stone, and go from there. |
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Dec 2 2009, 09:57 AM Post #10 |
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@L: Hmm....you do have a point with that last one. Now, what I was talking about with the 'don't involve fan characters with canon characters thing' was with non-related characters. I have actually read a fic that showcased Sonic and Tails parents. Now Sonic, still pretty young at the time of the fic, didn't play that big a part and Tails didn't even show up until the last chapter. Most of the fic was about the thier fathers. And it done pretty well, I might add. In retrospect: I am a bit more lienent on involving parents in the canon, so long as things aren't messed up beyond repair. (BTW, the fic I mentioned was set in the OVA universe) |
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| Phoenix-Saturn | Dec 2 2009, 10:00 AM Post #11 |
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1. Family Relationship Not unless you're doing sons/daughters or an extremely distant relationship. It's extremely overdone, and usually done poorly. Romantic Relationship As long as your character is there for some OTHER reason than just being a love interest and it makes sense, why not? Distanced Relationship As long as it makes sense. 2. Mmmmnn... No. I disagree with this, UNLESS you are using Archie Canon and make a Moebius counterpart. |
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| L Dragon | Dec 2 2009, 10:14 AM Post #12 |
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Tal: Hmm, I guess you could get away with pulling off something like that, Tal. However, that is like saying, no one knows how many grandchildren Dr. Ivo robotnik had, which would mean someone could make a eggman based character. I understand holes in the sonic based universe can help create a slightly original character, however, if you take out the sonic based character then the said fan character doesn't exist. Its like Knuckles having a brother, but slightly different. We know Sonic has either NO brothers, or just one(manic.) Shadow was created by Ivo robotnik, so he can't(or, isn't suppose to) have any brothers. Tails... Well, i don't know much about him actually. My point is, isn't finding holes, as the one you provided, kinda like just saying Tails has a brother, or Knuckles has a sister? Blaire: I see your point, the whole 'Sonic wasn't even the main character' bit. And its not like Sonic did anything but just be born(from what it sounds like.) So, couldn't Sonic be easily replaced by some other hedgehog in this case, say, a 'soon to be' other fan character of the person who wrote the fanfic? Wouldn't that make a tad bit more sense, or was there still some tie in with Sonic being born and so on.(trying to understand your point fully.) Phoenix: Why do you disagree with topic two? Can you explain a bit more on what your thoughts are on this? |
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Dec 2 2009, 10:35 AM Post #13 |
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Actually, Sonic was a child during that fic. Also, I don't think one would be able to replace him with another hedgehog. (They do mention his speed at a few points in the story so that might be one reason replacing him with a fan character would not be a good idea.) |
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| Lady BlizShadow | Dec 2 2009, 10:39 AM Post #14 |
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@ Lil: While I'm a natural skeptic in regards to canon, ie. "If they didn't say it, it didn't happen," you can't say with certainty that these characters have no siblings for the very fact that Sega hasn't confirmed it. It's possible that these characters could very well have a sibling in there somewhere. I have a theory that even Shadow has a biological family which I might discuss later. Nevertheless, our knowledge about the area isn't absolute but uncertain, and it will technically remain as such until Sega outright states, "Sonic/Tails/Knuckles/etc. have no siblings." Now, is it okay to alternatively develop Sonic characters as your own? Well, it isn't something I advocate for the very same reasons I talked about in my first post. If it's frowned upon to have your own fan character strongly intertwined within the canon's characters and events, it would naturally stand to reason that using official characters themselves is the epitome of this taboo. This doesn't mean that it can't be done tastefully, of course; Anything can with effort and talent. But that is besides the very valid issue of warping the canon your "character" in this instance is based off of, and whether or not this partially invalidates your character's existence. |
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| Lord Talancir D'Landior | Dec 2 2009, 10:45 AM Post #15 |
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Technically speaking, according to Archieverse canon, Manic is also Sonic's son. Knuckles was the firstborn son of Locke and Lara-le, but it can be assumed that they never had more children, because of Locke's parenting methods, which Lara-le never agreed with, and which also led to their estranged relationship and eventual divorce. Tails was born shortly before Robotnik's coup. It can be assumed that Amadeus and Rosemary were not married for a long duration beforehand, because it was implied that Amadeus was still an eligible bachelor during the Great War, which was waged between the Kingdom of Acorn and the Overlanders. To be sure, a one-to-two year period is not a long time to get married and start having children; for the majority of mothers, that period is scarcely enough time to contemplate having more than one child. Edited by Talancir D'Landior, Dec 2 2009, 10:45 AM.
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