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| Sinistar | Oct 30 2009, 06:59 PM Post #1 |
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After watching a halloween specialof King of the Hill, it made me wonder, if there were many people in the world who is were as religious as the woman in KotH, would it ruin the world? And by strong, I mean the woman made sure Arlen, Texas had a curfew so no one could Trick-or-Treat, since she figures Halloween is for satanists. |
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| Phoenix-Saturn | Oct 30 2009, 07:02 PM Post #2 |
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| Lord Tora Unlimited Crusader | Oct 30 2009, 07:08 PM Post #3 |
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If the world were full of OVERLY ZEALOUS PEOPLE, then yes, there would be a danger of 'fun' being more or less squelched. But religion isn't the issue; it all depends on how crazy said people are combined with their interpretation of whatever material they read. Let's take Ms Cindy Jacobs, who wrote Deliver Us From Evil, as an example. She says that Harry Potter, Pokemon and Dungeons and Dragons are actually Satanic means of influencing today's children towards demonic practices. THISSSSS is an example of an over-zealous person who, with too many of them in too many authority positions, could potentially ruin any chances of fun. But thankfully, there are actually very few of these people around, and practically none in any positions of power and those that do exist will be purged when ACROSS begins its take-over. Edited by Tora Unlimited Crusader, Oct 30 2009, 07:09 PM.
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| Lady BlizShadow | Oct 30 2009, 07:24 PM Post #4 |
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I'm going to ignore the fact that the question specifically exemplifies the unlikeable conservative southern creationist/literalist who abhors science and fiction by focusing generally on the term "strong religious believer" to explain my answer. It's actually a really vague one and encompasses a great majority of the people who subscribe to a religion and are confident in their choice. Furthermore, the ability to be a "strong religious believer" is not intrinsically linked to one's willingness to stick to their holy books and/or laws as literally as possible (especially in the case of Christians where the Bible has been through the wringer as far as translation, omissions, and changes go, which is compounded by the fact that it is written in a generally poetic and metaphorical style). To further exemplify my point, I'll draw attention to my parents. Both of them are religious, but in different ways. My mom is more spiritual and liberal with her interpretation of God than my father who is on the opposite spectrum, being more conservative and literalist. Both have an unshakable faith, and thus qualify as "strong religious believers," but choose to exercise that right in different ways. So, would the world be better under the rule of the southern creationists I mentioned earlier? Probably not. Would they be better under people who believed more strongly in Jesus' teachings and charitable nature? Probably so. Regardless, there's different types of believers at all levels of faith that the question and even my post vastly simplify the issue, and thus I don't think this is going to be terribly inviting to rational conversation.... xP |
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| Katsuko | Oct 30 2009, 08:05 PM Post #5 |
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Religion is not the issue. As Bliz has pointed out, there's every shade and color of religious person, and to paint them all with one brush is a fallacious generalization. The real question is, how willing are these people to impose their beliefs on other people by force? I'm a libertarian. That means that I believe in a government that does the minimum and allows its citizens the maximum freedom, sometimes even at the expense of certain welfare programs. Why? Because history has proven that power grows, and power corrupts. People with power will want more power, and as the power of the state grows, so too does oppression. The extreme ends of this progression are the nightmare states like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Now the problem with the scenario suggested is that the woman is exerting her power to fulfill her religious ends. That mixes the Church and State, which is bad for the State and worse for the Church. The State suffers because it acquires the power of the Church, which concentrates too much authority in one person, which leads to oppression, i.e. a warrantless curfew on Halloween. The Church suffers because its beliefs become mere political tools. If God becomes an integral part of the government, then being godly becomes part of being a member of the government. Then, as always happens, unscrupulous politicians will use the beliefs of the Church to skew votes, demonize and persecute their opponents, and acrew power for themselves. After a while, this affects the religion's doctrine, and it becomes a corrupt, twisted fragment of what it once was. This happened in the Middle Ages with the Catholic Church, in England with the Church of England, in North America with the Puritans, and continues to happen today in theocratic nations like Iran. So while I agree with Bliz, and most religious people are not bad people, I do think it's important to recognize the extreme dangers of mixing religion and political power. There are a lot of people out there—the religious right, for example—who are willing to sacrifice a secular, free society because they are so certain in the rightness of their beliefs. That's not a loss any of us want to take, and it's especially imperative for Republicans and libertarians to understand this if they are to survive in an increasingly liberal, a-religious political game. Edited by Katsuko, Oct 30 2009, 08:09 PM.
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| infamousDee | Oct 31 2009, 04:17 AM Post #6 |
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The problem isn't that there are too many religious people. Far, far, from it. The problem is atheists saying evolution to be a fact, and anyone who doesn't believe in apes turning into people is a superstitious religious nutcase. That, is the problem. I believe in God,but I'm not some weirdo who thinks fun is a sin and everyone who doesn't believe in God will burn. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 31 2009, 08:02 AM Post #7 |
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You watched that episode last night too? *internet high five* |
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| Katamaont | Oct 31 2009, 10:46 AM Post #8 |
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I don't think it's fundamentalist religious folk (that is the word you should be using here, by the way), but stupid people in general. There are people who are very religious but actually think about what they believe rather than just taking it right out of the book and saying it's all A-OK. Meanwhile, there are others who only use religion for their own means but aren't actually extremely religious, like some of the terrorist organizations we hear about today. I'm sorry I don't have time to reply with a monster page like I usually do in discussions on religions, but maybe I'll come back later. |
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Oct 31 2009, 11:17 AM Post #9 |
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Dude... Well let me just say this, there are extremists on all sides of the spectrum (including non-religious). I don't think it would ruin the world, because most religious(strong or not) aren't like that and I don't think they ever could be the majority. Edited by Neo Metallix, Oct 31 2009, 11:19 AM.
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| RabidChoco | Oct 31 2009, 11:26 AM Post #10 |
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Dude watches too many stupid shows. Wasn't KotH's creator involved with Beavis and Butthead? Anyhoo, dude's got his facts wrong. That particular, nigh-templaric attitude is something of a rarity in reality. Then again, there are morons in every religion, including the atheist/agnostic crowd. There just aren't enough of them in any one group to effect enough of a downhill turn in the world... Current US legislators aside for those of you who believe the States are being run into the ground. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 31 2009, 12:37 PM Post #11 |
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WAT I would post a super extremely long post about how King of the Hill is the best show ever and how it is hundreds of times better, but I don't feel like it right now. |
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| Lord Bowie | Oct 31 2009, 01:52 PM Post #12 |
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It really depends... most of the middle east is scary because they are mostly overcome in their religion and they are mostly un-educated.. so they view the world through their texts and we've seen the result. The terrorist aspect already confirms that yes.. overly religious people can destroy the world. Throughout history religion has been a blessing to some and a plague to others.. the biggest references are those of Egyptian and European Catholic of the dark ages... Even the Prostenant massacres and actions that led to extreme danger for the American Indians before, during, and after the US was laying it's foundation. If there were ever new age holy wars (There is one still going on) with today's technology, we could have some serious issues. Like what was stated, those which demonstrate religion through power and force have enormous potential to disrupt and eradicate.. it has happened and can happen on larger scales. |
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| Lord Tora Unlimited Crusader | Oct 31 2009, 05:21 PM Post #13 |
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Speakingof the Egyptians... now they were a reallife example of an entire culture of religious fanatics. And did THEY have fun? Well, apart from building pyramids and the occasional sacrifice of a virgin bull once every ten or so years... probably not. Mind you, they drank beer like modern day citizens drink water (true facts), sooooo... |
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| VlaDDrakkeN | Nov 1 2009, 12:49 PM Post #14 |
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Religion itself is a dual edged sword. It really depends on the wielder. If a person who is good, chairtable, and does not force their beliefs on people, they can change things for the best. A mad fanatic could destroy it with said sword as well. Though my true problem comes from people who seem to be under the impression of holding any such beliefs in a higher power to be a danger to society. I once asked the person if he really believes that even a pacifist person who does no wrong is still a danger even when he believed in a higher power, and he said yes. I problably shouldn't expected a different answer since this same person is under the belief that Christianity held science back greatly. This is the chart he showed to show HOW greatly it held science back. http://media.photobucket.com/image/science%20dark%20ages%20graph/Arthur_Vandelay99/DarkAges.gif A cookie for anyone who can point out the mistakes of this graph and point out what happened to cause the dark ages, its a good history test. I kinda find religion and fan bases the same. There are good people in it, but you will have the nut jobs who ramble and rave and attack people. Then you have people who, as some of you said, paint all of the religion and fanbase as the same color of being a bunch of crazies. In truth, strong religious believers can destroy the world, but so can strong science believers too. |
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| Katsuko | Nov 1 2009, 03:27 PM Post #15 |
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Um... A) Speculation is not a valid statistical principle B) "Scientific Advancement" can't be quantified like that C) It doesn't address the Arab, Chinese, and other non-Christian areas during the Dark Ages D) The collapse of the Roman Empire caused the Dark Ages. Christianity is what held European society together. Edited by Katsuko, Nov 1 2009, 03:30 PM.
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