SA2's ending has a hidden meaning

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SA2's ending has a hidden meaning
Tweet Topic Started: May 13 2009, 05:17 PM (1,515 Views)
1upSonicSpeed	May 13 2009, 05:17 PM Post #1
Character Select Posts: 15 Group: E Rank Adventurer Member #9,970 Joined: May 13, 2009	At the end of Sonic Adventure 2, Super Shadow falls an burns up in the atemosphere. After Shadow falls for a while, there's a white flash and then he is gone. Here is my theory; Super Shadow uses Chaos Control before burning up in the atemosphere. The white flash looks an awful lot like other Chaos Control flashes in other games. So what do you think of this?



Zak	May 13 2009, 06:05 PM Post #2
For The Circle Posts: 4,002 Group: D Rank Legend Member #9,748 Joined: February 10, 2009 3DS Friend Code: 1118-0225-4062 Steam ID: zakth686	Well... He obviously survived, but, I that game wise, he did die. SEGA intended him to die, then when they were making the next game they thought, "Hey, remember that black hedgehog? Why don't we bring him back?"
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~~Bob Beaky (Snooky)~~	May 13 2009, 06:15 PM Post #3
The Game Designer Posts: 1,072 Group: Game Over :( Member #9,690 Joined: January 23, 2009	Quote: So what do you think of this? It's the biggest load of crap I've heard for the past 2 hours. Quote: Well... He obviously survived No, he didn't.



Lady BlizShadow	May 13 2009, 06:39 PM Post #4
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	False, Snooky. Play the final story and boss in Shadow the Hedgehog. Not only do Gerald and Black Doom confirm that Shadow is the real one, but Eggman goes on to state that one of his robots retrieved him sometime before Heroes. Shadow is alive and the real deal. Stop spouting that lie. As for the op's theory, the only thing I consider the sparkle to be is your generic anime effect when something goes off into the distance. Think Team Rocket blasting off.
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SirronFang	May 13 2009, 07:12 PM Post #5
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SuperShadowgal	May 13 2009, 07:13 PM Post #6
The Female Ultimate Life Form! Posts: 3,112 Group: E Rank Legend Member #59 Joined: April 29, 2006	BlizShadow May 13 2009, 06:39 PM As for the op's theory, the only thing I consider the sparkle to be is your generic anime effect when something goes off into the distance. Think Team Rocket blasting off. That's my thoughts exactly. (Darn, beaten to the punch before I could post after school...!) When you [OP] described it, it reminds me of the whole Team Rocket 'blasting off again' thing. It could be quite possible that it was intended to be Chaos Control, there are numerous fan fiction out there, pre-heroes, that offered this explanation. Edited by SuperShadowgal, May 13 2009, 07:13 PM.
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~~Bob Beaky (Snooky)~~	May 13 2009, 07:33 PM Post #7
The Game Designer Posts: 1,072 Group: Game Over :( Member #9,690 Joined: January 23, 2009	BlizShadow May 13 2009, 06:39 PM False, Snooky. Play the final story and boss in Shadow the Hedgehog. Not only do Gerald and Black Doom confirm that Shadow is the real one, but Eggman goes on to state that one of his robots retrieved him sometime before Heroes. Shadow is alive and the real deal. Stop spouting that lie. First off, rarely do I take suggestions. That's because you're stupid. Shut up! Bliz, he's dead. Period. I'm not drawing that conclusion from any bullshit ending in Shadow the Hedgehog. Canon-wise, he is dead. Sonic Unleashed, being the latest installment in the Sonic franchise and main story overall, ignores everything past SA2, meaning Heroes on never really happened and Shadow is still dead.



Lady BlizShadow	May 13 2009, 07:41 PM Post #8
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	Quote: Bliz, he's dead. Period. I'm not drawing that conclusion from any bullshit ending in Shadow the Hedgehog. So you're purposefully refusing to recognize standard fact? Gotcha. Hooray for intentional ignorance. Quote: Sonic Unleashed, being the latest installment in the Sonic franchise and main story overall, ignores everything past SA2, meaning Heroes on never really happened and Shadow is still dead. An installment only retcons previous material if it directly contradicts major events. Unleashed contradicts nothing which means it retcons nothing which means Heroes, Shadow, and Sonic '06 (this game arguably) are still canon. If we were going by your logic, we'd either have two Classic canons (since CD doesn't reference Sonic 2 or 1 nor does S3&K reference Sonic CD) and four new canons (ShtH doesn't reference Heroes nor does Sonic '06 reference Shadow and, of course, Unleashed doesn't reference Sonic '06) or... we'd only have four canon games-- Sonic 1, 2, CD, and Unleashed since apparently it retroactively destroys nearly all the storytelling that came before it somehow.
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~~Bob Beaky (Snooky)~~	May 13 2009, 07:44 PM Post #9
The Game Designer Posts: 1,072 Group: Game Over :( Member #9,690 Joined: January 23, 2009	BlizShadow May 13 2009, 07:41 PM Quote: Bliz, he's dead. Period. I'm not drawing that conclusion from any bullshit ending in Shadow the Hedgehog. So you're purposefully refusing to recognize standard fact? Gotcha. Hooray for intentional ignorance. Quote: Sonic Unleashed, being the latest installment in the Sonic franchise and main story overall, ignores everything past SA2, meaning Heroes on never really happened and Shadow is still dead. An installment only retcons previous material if it directly contradicts it. Unleashed contradicts nothing meaning it retcons nothing which means Heroes, Shadow, and Sonic '06 (this game arguably) are still canon. No...it's a reboot, not contradicting, but still ignoring. That's been stated by Sonic Team itself, the individual who said that bearing a name I do not remember.



Lady BlizShadow	May 13 2009, 08:02 PM Post #10
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	Puffin The Penguin (Snooky) May 13 2009, 07:44 PM No...it's a reboot, not contradicting, but still ignoring. That's been stated by Sonic Team itself, the individual who said that bearing a name I do not remember. No. The only thing that even comes close to that is this: "this will be the game Sonic fans have been waiting for. Sonic will be reborn in the state he always should have existed in with a new control scheme, fresh new gameplay elements, all while simultaneously returning to Sonic�s roots" -- Yoshihisa Hashimoto Search around the site yourself (or hell, Google it) and you will other find statements like "Silver won�t make an appearance in this game" or "A fresh, NEW Sonic experience, unlike any of the recent installments!". However, none of this directly states that the canon has been rewritten. Why? Because it wasn't, and in fact no such statement from Hashimoto or Sonic Team exists. He's talking about gameplay and quality, just like when they were spewing these same marketing statements when Adventure and '06 were released. You completely skewed the man's PR into completely asinine bullshit.
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VlaDDrakkeN	May 13 2009, 10:38 PM Post #11
The Jester Posts: 1,902 Group: S Rank Hero Member #6,850 Joined: March 22, 2008 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: VlaDDrakkeN Game Currently Playing: My New Computer	BlizShadow May 13 2009, 06:39 PM False, Snooky. Play the final story and boss in Shadow the Hedgehog. Not only do Gerald and Black Doom confirm that Shadow is the real one, but Eggman goes on to state that one of his robots retrieved him sometime before Heroes. Shadow is alive and the real deal. Stop spouting that lie. As for the op's theory, the only thing I consider the sparkle to be is your generic anime effect when something goes off into the distance. Think Team Rocket blasting off. Actually, of all theories that is the most sensable one. Ill be sure to share it with a friend of mine. And it makes sense. In a way it seems like they did it just in case they decide to bring back the series/Shadow. Also Blitz can you tell me where you heard that? I think I completely missed that when playing the game fully through...and getting all A ranks... Also Snooky, I recommend not saying a person is stupid simply cause they have a diffrent opinion/theory to someone else. Its not that I don't think you have equel say, but trust me when shouting insults at people can really hurt yourself in the long run. Overall, it dosent help your argument.
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`TakeCare	May 14 2009, 12:58 AM Post #12
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~~Eprahim~~	May 14 2009, 04:36 AM Post #13
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,075 Group: Game Over :( Member #3,768 Joined: November 21, 2007	1upSonicSpeed May 13 2009, 05:17 PM At the end of Sonic Adventure 2, Super Shadow falls an burns up in the atemosphere. After Shadow falls for a while, there's a white flash and then he is gone. Here is my theory; Super Shadow uses Chaos Control before burning up in the atemosphere. The white flash looks an awful lot like other Chaos Control flashes in other games. So what do you think of this? He lost his memory. That means he fell. Rescued, ecc. ecc., but he fell. No chaos control here. Move along.



Gallant Vision	May 14 2009, 05:10 AM Post #14
Sky Sanctuary Zone Posts: 6,835 Group: B Rank Legend Member #9,330 Joined: September 4, 2008	I agree with the possibility that he used Chaos Control to keep from burning in the atmosphere. The 'blasting off again' effect more closely resembles the light effect that Chaos Control uses, where light around the character first expands, then contracts into the user's body. Then at the moment of dissappearance, the light expands vertically and horizontally several times.
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~~Otaku Clause~~	May 14 2009, 06:32 AM Post #15
Santa's Little Helper Posts: 1,469 Group: Continue? Member #4,434 Joined: December 19, 2007	It's discussions like this that arise when something has a plot hole...I agree the sparkle was most likely an anime distance effect, but we can't know for sure what happened to him because Sega never officially explained how he survived the fall in the games, even though they finally did get around to explaining the rest of Shadow's past in the final ending of Shadow the Hedgehog!



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