Vlad Drakken

 

I have also learned that the human mind when it thinks negativly, will not be able to see any positive in something. Have you ever tried playing a Sonic game thinking positivly? You may think its dilussion, but you maybe surprised.

Gamespot

 

The idea of a video game emulating the mechanics of a board game is nothing new; there have been digital renditions of board games on most every console made. However, with the recent success of Mario Party, game companies are tapping the "party game" genre with a renewed fervor, this time adding popular video game mascots to the mix. Unfortunately, not all of these games are able to reach the same level of revelry as the new party game archetype, Mario Party. Sonic Shuffle, Sega's entry into the genre, is not only a poorly realized party game, it's also a boring one to boot.

Fwiss

May 5 2009, 07:10 AM

The thing I probably hate about the Next-Gen games is that the levels are too straitforward, not explorable enough...

MarcusTH

May 5 2009, 01:33 PM

The Spagonia Night stage was very explorable. When I was REALLY bored, I would look around every house. Yes, nearly every house entrance is breakable.

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Some of them will even lead you to getting Sun and Moon Medals.

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Before anyone who reads this comment I want you to read this all carefully.

OK! : D

As the years go by, I never noticed any hate for Sonic really build up until after the two games Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06. Even though Sega has tried improve and work, it seems any people believe that they have killed Sonic by putting him in diffrent genres and such. However I have noticed that no one does the same for say Mario, his rival.

Sonic hasn't been in very many different genres. He's chiefly in platforming - always has been, probably always will be - with a brief stroll into a board game, a couple siestas into racing, and recently an RPG. And, if you want, adventure with Tails Adventure and a little bit of edutainment (remember those? ). It's not major genre-hopping compared to most long-running franchises.

I then began to take more careful notes of this. Call me a nerd if you want but I found something rather...interesting.

You're a nerd.

As the years go by as hate increased, it seeped into game reviews as well. I do not mean like youtubers(I will get to that later) i mean IGN, Gamespot, Etc. have all become biased to sonic, saying how his 3d games are crap compared to now. The same websites who, I no dought bet, favored his Dreamcast games. In fact, this hate and blame continued to be spread acrossed quite well to where other artists have taken it upon themselves to draw hate art...however I noticed something tonight.

Well, yes, because contrary to popular belief, critics are people. They started disliking the franchise at the same time as gamers because - wouldn't you know it - they're gamers. Also, don't go on "I bet." Grab some evidence. If the reviewers loved Adventure but hated Black Knight, does that make them biased? Seems to me it makes them the opposite. The only thing they're strongly and frequently biased against, with some exceptions (lolgamespot) are bad games.

Everyone remember the Angry Video Game Nerd? When he came around, alot of people jumped on the bandwagon and tried to set their own reputations. Some failed while others succeded. Now what does this have to do with Sonic? I have noticed, based on history and what Ive seen that whenever a new fad comes along, people will often go to it and try to make themselves stand out and get noticed.

Ah, yes. I hate him too...he's just not funny. And yeah, nowadays, people do just not buy Sonic games and scoff at new releases simply because it's Sonic. Most reviewers don't, which you can see in Sonic games that did do well (they didn't all hit fifties and sixties), but I'll certainly agree that there's two sides of the core gaming crowd, with just a small gray area: Sonic fans, and Sonic haters.

I noticed two artists who have never drawn any Sonic related material(To my knowledge) who suddenly came out and drew 3d sonic hate art. Out of no where. One artist even commented to someone he just bought the Shadow game and commented how crappy it was. The thing is at this point, the game was say 4 or 5 years old, depending on when the pic was drawn. Shadow the Hedgehog, the game, was said to be the game that appearently brought Sonic down after that. In the end? The hate you see to SOnic? The very ones you may aggree too? It may all be just part of one big bandwagon.

I think it's also because people feel the bandwagon is necessary. Lots of games suck, and lots of franchises have taken nosedives, but they don't usually get this amount of hatred. What makes Shadow different from those? Well, it was hyped like nuts: as soon as it had a release date, Sega did what Sega does best and started ranting and advertising like it was already late November. Then people find that the game really isn't that good - bad, in fact - and feel they need to dispel this overbearing notion that it's excellent.

Now your problably saying, how is that possible? Its true that Sonic games suck!

Well, no, because bandwagons don't just pop out of nowhere. There is a bandwagon because 3D Sonic sucks.

Do they? Or is that your opinion? Or is your opinion based on others opinion? Let it be known that this is the internet and not everything is as it seems. These same people could just be looking for viewers and watchers, and what better harvest then that of a factioned fanbase?

I played Sonic Adventure 2 under the impression that it would be excellent and was horribly let down. I've yet to play Secret Rings, 06, Heroes, Unleashed, or Black Knight, though.

I have also learned that the human mind when it thinks negativly, will not be able to see any positive in something. Have you ever tried playing a Sonic game thinking positivly? You may think its dilussion, but you maybe surprised.
I also notice the people who hate sonic games also tend to be really loud and obnoxious, and even curse. A thing of the Nerd perhaps? Not to mention the Mass effect of things. What do I mean? Think of the Swine flu now. Once the panic started to get out, it spread like wild fire. The same can happen to something popular.

Like I said, went on Adventure 2 grinning my ass off and turned off the emulator fifteen minutes later. Also, I went on Chronicles under the impression that it would be complete crap - I mean, a Sonic RPG, come on, right? - and now it's one of my favorite Sonic games. And all bashers are like that, because they have no lives. The ones that aren't are the ones you don't notice. Convenient, eh?

Scary isn't it? That the very people you think hate 3d sonic games as cool could very well be just aiming for popularity? Before you or any of the haters tell me that Im wrong, answer me this. Did you go in thinking positively? Did you ever think of just trying to grin and bear a segment of the game? Did you ever try to avoid the negative in something for the positive? If you failed to do this, then you will never enjoy a good Sonic game, or any game in particular. In truth to hate a series just cause of it trying to live up to the times, to the fact that this is about buisness and competition and not about what abunch of whiney fans wants, is rather silly. Problably as this study I did, but then again, when you have shit going on in your life and all you want to do is enjoy some peaceful time on the internet, people like me MAKE IT MY BUISNESS.

I don't think anyone thinks anyone who posts frequently on YouTube is cool. And no one reads the blogs of idiots, aside unfortunately from AVGN. But...grin and bear a game? What, praytell, do you define a game as? I personally play games to have fun, and if I have to 'grin and bear' more than about five minutes at a time, unless it's to get to a really awesome part, I'm not having fun. The game is not serving its purpose, and is therefore not worth purchasing, let alone praising. And believe you me, I've enjoyed many a Sonic game without needing to grin and bear. And...just what a bunch of fans want? Huh. So I guess video game developers aren't out to entertain the masses and make money doing it? The whiny fans are the business and competition, mate. And if you want a peaceful time on the internet, head to a place with intelligence. SB is great for that. If the morons aren't being obnoxious about Sonic, they'll find some other way to lower the average IQ of their surroundings. You can't change that.

Perhaps I didnt even get to you, or you just go ahead and comment saying all you see is a wall of text. If you refuse to acknowledge simple facts that could contribute to the mass hate of a series, then you are just another sheep to their game.

tl;drs are fun. They let me use my fancy bold script. Additionally, I see no evidence that suggests that one can dislike 3D Sonic and still have their own opinion. A little less hypocrisy, please?

Truthally at this point, like all fads, it should be dieing now as it seems thats all you hear now and people like me are starting to no longer trust reviewers, espically now that they bend to corperate law.

...There's a law against rating 3D Sonic higher than a C-? And no, the fad won't die out until 3D Sonic actually starts getting better, more than once.

The sooner you start to question reality, the sooner you start to relise what is true and what is false.

Cynicism can only take one so far. Sometimes you might have to do more than take a step back and simply realize that yeah, sometimes people other than you are right.

Edited by Katamaont, May 5 2009, 04:31 PM.