The turning point for the Sonic franchise?

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The turning point for the Sonic franchise?
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Radar	Apr 5 2009, 02:22 AM Post #1
Good to be back Posts: 2,496 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,063 Joined: June 14, 2008 Gender: Male	Unless you've been under a rock for a while, you'll know that the Sonic franchise has had a bit of a "gaming slump" over a period of time. However, my question is: When do you think was the turning point for Sonic games in 3D? If you want my opinion, I honestly think they managed to begin understanding Sonic's speed potential in Sonic and the Secret Rings. It is not my favourite Sonic game, but how Sonic Team managed to keep the fun platforming, but also add some insane turning and speed. (however, they never FULLY realised the potential untill Unleashed. ) Thoughts?



Fenroar	Apr 5 2009, 07:59 AM Post #2
Perfectionist Posts: 3,036 Group: E Rank Legend Member #9,478 Joined: November 2, 2008 Gender: Male 3DS Friend Code: 1504-6189-5960	The 3d Sonic franchise has a turning point? O_O The last time I checked, all recent Sonic games but Sonic Chronicles have been bashed by the critics. And I kind of disliked the recent Sonic console games too. I don't think the Sonic console games had a turning point yet but obviously, I am hoping for one soon.



Gallant Vision	Apr 5 2009, 08:30 AM Post #3
Sky Sanctuary Zone Posts: 6,835 Group: B Rank Legend Member #9,330 Joined: September 4, 2008	I enjoyed every single Sonic game I've played, so I can't really say for myself.
	I have an interest in spriting. If anyone has a request, don't hesitate to ask. Deep stuff below: Spoiler: click to toggle The world. Filled with millions of differences. But despite the fact, we all are brothers and sisters, Inhabiting and living under the same sky. But despite this, we war and kill our siblings over trivial things, Staining the earth on which we all walk, With the blood of our brothers, With the blood of our sisters. The sky under which we go through our lives weeps, For the clouds surely know of the atrocities we commit. We slay, maim, gouge, and destroy our siblings, In the name of things which ought not be fought for. Approach a member of the family not, With the tainted lash of hatred, But with the pure flower of love. ======================================= The sword. A weapon who's blade is stained red With the blood of its countless victims. Were it alive, what would such a being feel? Would it live only to fight, And fight only to live? Would it be controlled By those with the skill to do so? I believe that it would cry For each person it has ever brought harm to, Its tears as red as the blood it has spilled.


SirronFang	Apr 20 2009, 05:43 PM Post #4
A vampyric fan/subscriber of SirRonLionHeart Posts: 352 Group: E Rank Knight Member #9,902 Joined: April 11, 2009	Sonikku-Otaku Apr 5 2009, 08:30 AM I enjoyed every single Sonic game I've played, so I can't really say for myself. Enjoyed every one? Including '06? That is like, unhumane! That game shall forever burn in the recesses of all of our minds. shudders Its kinda like tails' doll, came from a pretty bad game!
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Katamaont	Apr 20 2009, 06:21 PM Post #5
Skald of the North Posts: 913 Group: C Rank Hero Member #9,832 Joined: March 14, 2009	Sonic had a turning point at Sonic Adventure 2, in my opinion. Not a good turning point, mind . Sonic Adventure was good, but Adventure 2 just seems...I dunno, I can't get into it. I've never been at a loss for words when it comes to why I don't like a game; it just seems stale and overly structured. I'll agree with Banana that the franchise, or at least the 3D bit hasn't recovered, as people are still waiting for Sega to fulfill their promise that this enigmatic Next Game will be the one that revives the series. And that Sonic Chronicles was pretty epic. Plus one internet, my friend.
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~~Bob Beaky (Snooky)~~	Apr 20 2009, 08:15 PM Post #6
The Game Designer Posts: 1,072 Group: Game Over :( Member #9,690 Joined: January 23, 2009	Banana Apr 5 2009, 07:59 AM The 3d Sonic franchise has a turning point? O_O The last time I checked, all recent Sonic games but Sonic Chronicles have been bashed by the critics. And I kind of disliked the recent Sonic console games too. I don't think the Sonic console games had a turning point yet but obviously, I am hoping for one soon. Who cares about the damn critics? Form your own opinion, for Christ's sake



Katamaont	Apr 20 2009, 08:33 PM Post #7
Skald of the North Posts: 913 Group: C Rank Hero Member #9,832 Joined: March 14, 2009	Critics tend to reflect pretty well on a game's quality, at least compilations like Metacritic. And he did state his own opinion: he dislikes recent Sonic console games.
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Lord Bowie	Apr 20 2009, 10:56 PM Post #8
What is the difference between a duck? Posts: 4,799 Group: Former Monarchs Member #7,312 Joined: April 10, 2008 Playstation Network ID: Allbowdown Xbox Live Gamertag: allbowdown	People like talking about opinions on things lately it seems. ^^ Turning point... if you go by the critics reviews (which you shouldn't if you have a brain) there has been no real turning point except for a downward spiral since the Sonic Adventure series.. if you ask me it's kinda like a high.. or growing too fast. Adventure and Adventure 2 burned literally ALL of the great ideas that SEGA could think of for years and did so early, it made them both pretty damn good but all of the ones to subsequently follow had so much less to work off of because of it. The franchise took advantage of their 3D ideas and burned them away. Slowly but surely we've seen a critic review rise since then but we cannot deny that, by rating, this franchise has never been much lower than the bowels that ShadowTH and Sonic06 took us into. When it comes to my individual opinion, yes the Adventure games are still the 3D high for Sonic. But I'm not nearly as critical on 06 as reviewers and I'm arguably more critical on Shadow.. simply because first of all it was a game that should have never existed... they ruined a good semi-powerful ending to SA2 by bringing him back to life.. which is also an overused concept. The gameplay sucked, the story went nowhere, and it was really just a slopartistic achievement of junk. I saw someone say that 06 should burn in hell, I beg to differ, it at least did a decent job of bordering making sense and had a good story.. Shadow.. I just burned that game in my backyard.. with real fire.. not word fire. If you want a positive turning point.. that is easily Unleashed, because with it SEGA was able to get SOME momentum going both with their fans and critically.. baby steps people. If they can keep riding it up and keep getting at least a little better game by game without throwing every last damn idea into one game to hope it turns out amazing only for 10 more years of pitfall, they will be a much more solid and legitimate franchise to not only their fans at large (since I see people losing hope left and right) but with the reviewers that so many industry mind puppets choose to listen to.
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VlaDDrakkeN	Apr 21 2009, 01:12 PM Post #9
The Jester Posts: 1,902 Group: S Rank Hero Member #6,850 Joined: March 22, 2008 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: VlaDDrakkeN Game Currently Playing: My New Computer	I believe after Sonic Unleashed and Black Knight we finally reached a turning point. At this point, I think people are starting to get the reviewers are unreliable now and more people are actually trying the games then being biased to it. As for reviewers, they will likly keep bashing sonic games just to gain viewers and such. Once it comes clear bashing sonic is dead(Because seriously, how much longer can you go on about it?), we may see game reviewers who actually TRY to write a good review on a sonic game, and maybe other series in general.
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Katamaont	Apr 21 2009, 01:35 PM Post #10
Skald of the North Posts: 913 Group: C Rank Hero Member #9,832 Joined: March 14, 2009	Reviewers don't bash Sonic to bash Sonic. Look at Rush and Rush Adventure, and Chronicles. They did fairly well (I believe the former two even got in the eighties on Metacritic), not bashed just because they contain a blue hedgehog.
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SirronFang	Apr 21 2009, 02:16 PM Post #11
A vampyric fan/subscriber of SirRonLionHeart Posts: 352 Group: E Rank Knight Member #9,902 Joined: April 11, 2009	VladDrakken(DAK) Apr 21 2009, 01:12 PM I believe after Sonic Unleashed and Black Knight we finally reached a turning point. At this point, I think people are starting to get the reviewers are unreliable now and more people are actually trying the games then being biased to it. As for reviewers, they will likly keep bashing sonic games just to gain viewers and such. Once it comes clear bashing sonic is dead(Because seriously, how much longer can you go on about it?), we may see game reviewers who actually TRY to write a good review on a sonic game, and maybe other series in general. Well, this would make sense, and I sure hope that you are right. But most players can't make up their own damned mind and have to have someone do it for them, and I really hope that this generation in gaming will stop it.
	http://www.youtube.com/sirronlionheart Watch him and love him. You can't beat this FANTASTIC man with his OMEGA wife! Start here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm1IBHlI-Og ! Sonic the Hedgehog the Porcupine is waiting! - l------------------------------------------------------------------------------l l--X--Windows has encountered a serious problem! (Error 13)--------l l------------------------------------------------------------------------------l l-- I don't know what the hell you did, but you really F*ed ---------l l--up this time! How do you even screw up that badly?-----------------l l--You must be really bad with computers!------------------------------l l-------- (Now fix this or I'll delete your ass!)-------------------------------------l l------------------------------------------------------------------------------l Depending on your computer, the ends of this bar may be off center. Deal with it or Windows will delete your ass. - aafang wrote:** Quote: Yeah, to not many stages that off bother me. Um, sometimes I don't even understand my own typing... - I follow these rules here... http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-behave-on-an-internet-forum - Check out this cool roleplay! It is me and Ramen!


Neo Metallix	Apr 21 2009, 06:30 PM Post #12
~Doomsday Overlord~ Posts: 15,568 Group: =SB= Emperor Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2006 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: Doc_Of_D Game Currently Playing: Tales of Xillia	I think things went south with Shadow. Sonic Heroes, although not a fan favorite, still got very good reviews on the GameCube versions with solid 8s.
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Gallant Vision	Apr 22 2009, 11:06 AM Post #13
Sky Sanctuary Zone Posts: 6,835 Group: B Rank Legend Member #9,330 Joined: September 4, 2008	aafang Apr 20 2009, 05:43 PM Sonikku-Otaku Apr 5 2009, 08:30 AM I enjoyed every single Sonic game I've played, so I can't really say for myself. Enjoyed every one? Including '06? That is like, unhumane! That game shall forever burn in the recesses of all of our minds. shudders Its kinda like tails' doll, came from a pretty bad game! Yes, INCLUDING Sonic '06. I even don't mind the Sonic Drift games. Plus, you better not criticize the Tails Doll, Or YoU'lL fEeL tHe SuNsHiNe!
	I have an interest in spriting. If anyone has a request, don't hesitate to ask. Deep stuff below: Spoiler: click to toggle The world. Filled with millions of differences. But despite the fact, we all are brothers and sisters, Inhabiting and living under the same sky. But despite this, we war and kill our siblings over trivial things, Staining the earth on which we all walk, With the blood of our brothers, With the blood of our sisters. The sky under which we go through our lives weeps, For the clouds surely know of the atrocities we commit. We slay, maim, gouge, and destroy our siblings, In the name of things which ought not be fought for. Approach a member of the family not, With the tainted lash of hatred, But with the pure flower of love. ======================================= The sword. A weapon who's blade is stained red With the blood of its countless victims. Were it alive, what would such a being feel? Would it live only to fight, And fight only to live? Would it be controlled By those with the skill to do so? I believe that it would cry For each person it has ever brought harm to, Its tears as red as the blood it has spilled.


Cee Jay Haych	Apr 22 2009, 11:14 AM Post #14
"I didn't use the whole thing ...." Posts: 3,252 Group: =SB= Kings Member #9,868 Joined: March 28, 2009	Ha, The Tails Doll does not compare to my Eeveeness(TM) I have to agree Neo, Up until Shadow the Hedgehog most of the 3D sonic games were enjoyable, but after that they went downhill until SatBKs came out, witch I found quite entertaining.



Radar	Apr 22 2009, 11:20 AM Post #15
Good to be back Posts: 2,496 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,063 Joined: June 14, 2008 Gender: Male	aafang Apr 20 2009, 05:43 PM Sonikku-Otaku Apr 5 2009, 08:30 AM I enjoyed every single Sonic game I've played, so I can't really say for myself. Enjoyed every one? Including '06? That is like, unhumane! That game shall forever burn in the recesses of all of our minds. shudders Its kinda like tails' doll, came from a pretty bad game! First of all, it's inhumane. Second: You really think it's inhumane to have a different opinion from everyone else? $:\$ Enough off-topicness. I'm still saying the Secret Rings set the standard for Sonic games today. It should have had better controls, I'll give anyone that, but still... apart from that, it did well.



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