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| Topic Started: Mar 27 2009, 02:38 PM (676 Views) | |
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Jun 7 2009, 03:07 AM Post #61 |
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I know I haven't been around this thread for awhile but...
Held it's own... it knocked the PS3 around like a steroid laced crack baby. lolololololol I don't care what console anyone is for it is extremely hard to legitimately say that the 360 doesn't have the best games. It is already established that the console has an exceptionally high attached rate, especially when compared to the bargain bin Wii and it's bargain bin games. Microsoft and the 360 have so many great titles, many from themselves, some third party exclusives, and some big titles robbed from Sony (lovely) in fact.. all Sony really has left is God of War, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone, and Resistance as the only ongoing series worth mentioning, all to itself. I remember all the Playstation 3 owners that waited for Left 4 Dead to come to the PS3, so many rumors that it was nearly confirmed. Just for Valve to crush the hopeful's dreams. http://playstation.joystiq.com/2009/02/04/valve-mocks-ps3-listing-of-left-4-dead/ It's beautiful and I'm an ass for bringing it up. I know. All I can say is that as long as the PS3's Cell Processor is such a royal pain to program with, the third parties, and even some Sony first parties, will NEVER be able to truly capitalize on the potential it possesses. Even today the PS3 has only barely set itself apart from the 360 and it's "inferior" tri-core multithreading processor. If the developers aren't there (100% anyway), the hardware is a moot point. And as for the Facebook/Twitter/Last.Fm add ons to the 360, I'm not opposed but I really only use Twitter or Last every now and then and my Facebook never... so maybe the console add-ons will get me to use them more. And they definitely set the 360 apart as the most social console of the three. |
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| Fenroar | Jun 7 2009, 06:45 AM Post #62 |
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Going on about the Microsoft again? Well, just so you know, I didn't really like the "great titles" last year so it's kind of your opinion. Yes, believe it or not, I didn't think Gears of War 2 was really interesting. Didn't really give much love for offline gamers. Same for games like Left 4 Dead. Although I do agree Sony has been getting lots of blows lately, seeing Microsoft took away Final Fantasy, Tekken, and Metal Gear Solid. I do respect your opinion and all but not everybody thought the tiles were so great. I'm still not sure if Microsoft is ruling the generation... at least to me. They better impress me with their games this year(which I do admit their conference and their games looked good but I will not jump to conclusions) or else, I'm probably going to trade in my 360 for a PS3. The reason why I like the Wii is because it actually gives love to the people who can't get online and stuff. Anyway, I was happy with this year's E3 overall. Great hardcore games from Nintendo and not to mention other awesome looking games such as Alan Wake and Splinter Cell: Conviction and maybe ModNation Racers.
Yeah but nothing really surprised me. I just found it a bit too predictable. The only new thing I really liked was The Last Guardian. Regardless, they seem to have great lineup of games this year anyway. |
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Jun 8 2009, 02:03 PM Post #63 |
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Give it up Bowie. Last year the PS3 pretty much had just as good of games as the 360 did, unless you just outright didn't pay attention(which I know you did) and can't even name the games they had at E3 08' off the top of your head. You may have preferred the 360 exclusives, but to say 360 owned the show and has by far the best games is laughable. Any true gamer could see that. You mention a few PS3 ongoing franchises, but you seem to have forgot a few of them unless you think popularity equals being mention worthy. The same thing could be said about the 360's few ongoing franchises but I guess you just couldn't see that the other way around. Oh funny, I have a PS3 and 360 now and you don't... As for this year's E3 any rational person would say they both had impressive showings. Sony showcased more exclusives though for all their platforms and even PS3 matched what 360 unveiled in numbers. It's all opinion on who had the best games or what was the best game, so don't even try to say how the 360 had the best games. Uncharted 2 was voted as game of the show by a few places so don't go on about how everyone in the world agrees with you. Now the interwebz may be clamoring that Microsoft won but it was really only because their conference was slick and flashy. Content wise MS and Sony were more or less even and again rational people can admit that. MS excelled at the presentation aspect of their conference. Their conference was very well put together. Also people were duped by the Natal/Milo videos. The technology has potential, however, it would have been more impressive if it had been demoed on stage(milo) or if it had worked as well as the video claimed(natal). MS and Sony both had excellent conferences this year and the idea that MS totally blew the competition away is histerical. Also, what is Microsoft going to do when the 3rd party exclusive completely dies out, hmmm? They've been shutting down or letting go of lots of their first parties lately, what will they have to go on? It's going to be hard for them to convince companies to remain exclusive to them when games now sell just as well on PS3(in the case of RE4, SF4, and DMC4, they've sold more on PS3). Lots of 360 exclusives are moving over to Playstation now just like they are moving over to 360 from Playstation or have you just been oblivious to that? Dead Rising, Lost Oddessy, Lost Planet, Test Drive Unlimited, Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden, etc have all come to Playstation as well. It's no different from PS2. PS2 lost lots of Playstation console exclusive franchises such as Spyro, Crash, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil, Grand Theft Auto, Silent Hill, Test Drive, Need For Speed, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, etc... Did that hurt Sony? To some extent, but the power of the PS2 was their NEW franchises like Onimusha, Devil May Cry, God of War, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, ATV Off Road Fury, Killzone, etc... It is no different with the Playstation 3 now. They've lost some franchises, but guess what?!! THEY'RE STILL ON PLAYSTATION. OMG, REALLY??? But now there are a ton of more new franchises. And I find it funny how you use that old stereotype that PS3 is hard to develop for when numerous 3rd parties have stated otherwise. I guess you were just oblivious to that too and only read what the media tells you. rofl The media is a bad source of information for gaming or anything. They only report what they want to and leave things out on every topic. I just don't see how someone can be calling himself a gamer and completely ignore the great games on PS3. I've seen your comments, on every great PS3 game you try to downplay it as not being that great(IE Heavenly Sword just being a GOW clone or Uncharted being just a Indy clone) and really I feel sorry for you. You're missing out on so much and when you do play those PS3 games, your mind is already against them so..... SUCKS TO BE YOU!! |
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| Fenroar | Jun 8 2009, 02:10 PM Post #64 |
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Bowie just got owned. Sorry, I just had to say that. |
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| Loadsa Money | Jun 8 2009, 04:20 PM Post #65 |
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Was that a yes or a no?
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Indeed he did. 
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Jun 8 2009, 09:59 PM Post #66 |
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Lololololol Attack of the Playstationites =D (lol wtf!?) You get me wrong. I'm biased I know but I'm not bashing the PS3 quite as heavily as you may be thinking I am. I'm not doubting the PS3's quality of games and I may have left out Uncharted, my bad. But note I was pointing primarily to exclusive ongoing franchises, and that cuts out some of the bigger releases last year for Sony.. like Little Big Planet and some games yet to spawn sequels. Game quality is hard to deny as Sony really did have a strong lineup.. props. HOWEVER, in an industry based on sales.. the 360's heavy hitters outsold a dwindling supply of PS3 exclusives. You had bright spots with MGS 4 (3 million units, counting the PS3 bundle) Killzone 2 (1 million units) and Resistance 2 (3 million units). Now each of the points are various for those figures but it is a pretty solid indicator. Gears of War 2 sold 5 million units on it's own (2 million in the opening weekend Left 4 Dead moved 1.8 million units when subtracting the PC figures, Halo Wars moved over 1 million units very quickly, especially for a game not expected to fare well. And none of these games can even scratch the 6.4 million units that Halo 3 moved. The lists for both sides rage on but It's made readily apparent that 360 exclusives simply thunder past Sony... and in an industry where sales figures are more important than game quality these days (many could ask SEGA) the Xbox is winning by a decently sizable margin due to it's larger userbase and attach rate. The best statistic is seeing GTA 4, formerly a firey Sony asset.. watch it's 360 version rage past the PS3 version and then allow Microsoft to get episodic content.. spurning Playstation fans. And no doubt, E3 this year was great for fans of any console. Sony demonstrated very well as did Microsoft. Sony also lost MGS5 as an exclusive. Of course it's all opinion based, but in a year that will see Tekken, MGS, and Final Fantasy begin to make Microsoft rises... I cant call that a Sony win. "Everyone in the world" agrees with me because while both companies are making great advancements, Microsoft is the only one throwing truly decisive punches at all. They demoed the motion of NATAL on stage just as Sony showed off their motion device and they are both still incomplete but both preformed pretty well for their respective stages of development. But like I said.. if I were to ask people who threw punches that were more hurtful to the other's success.. it is Microsoft doing the damage. Sure it is hurtful to lose Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden, and Lost Planet to Sony but while being great games NONE of them were truly huge sellers on this console so it wasnt a huge loss. Test Drive wasn't really a loss worth mentoning and Lost Odyssey was another decently fun game that some of us wont mind losing. Sony has lost much stronger franchises.. Tekken was like a blood bond. MGS is also making Sony fans cry out in places. Tell me.. who's crying over Ninja Gaiden in a collective hive of voices.. Sony is getting stronger because losing an exclusive doesn't mean losing a game, but it does lose a reason that some gamers may buy a PS3 for, as they could buy the cheaper Xbox for the same experience. As for coding.. http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/cellchipco-creatorcomparesps3andxbox360chips.shtml http://www.senzee5.com/2008/03/playstation-3-cell-comes-before-its.html Those two among others showcase that no doubt.. the Cell is stronger than or equal to the Xbox 360 core in many aspects but it IS HARDER and TAKES MORE TIME to develop for. I don't care how you want to twist it.. that's the flat out truth. And time is money.. in the home stretch.. developers just don't have the time to fully utilize the Cell Processor.. and no.. hours of cutscenes (MGS4) is NOT utilizing a processor properly or successfully 100%. And no I don't downplay every PS3 game.. you seem to quickly forget that I really like MAG and Killzone, and I'm receptive of Resistance and God of War.. so its a nice try to paint me out as the "bad guy" who hates everything about PS3 when I don't and you know it. I'm just harsh.. maybe more so than you'd like.. but that's my style. In the end it doesn't suck to be me or suck to be you... but it always eventually sucks to be a gamer as someone always bashes your opinion or you end up second guessing your console of choice e.t.c. but we debate because we like to and game because we like to. So no.. I have not been owned.. Neo has not been owned.. bystanders saying nothing to help Neo haven't been owned (tho they haven't showcased anything) but as long as we get the games we like we win. Or if you're Microsoft.. lolololol j/k Add ons Attach rates as of April 27, 2008 - http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/04/27/xbox-360-leads-software-attach-rate-even-the-wii-beats-ps3/ The 360 attach rate having grown to 8.1 by December that same year - http://xbox.joystiq.com/2008/12/12/360s-attach-rate-grows-to-8-1-games-per-console/ http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstation-3-vs-xbox-360-two-years-later/ A little somethin extra, somethin fair and in the middle Edited by Bowie, Jun 8 2009, 11:00 PM.
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Jun 9 2009, 05:31 PM Post #67 |
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I really find it funny how Xbox fans say that PS3 has very few good games and then they all clamor over a Playstation exclusive going multiplatform. They say Playstation has no good games then they all point out Playstation famed games as why Microsoft is better. lmao First, there has been no dwindling supply of Playstation exclusives at all, there have been more in fact. There has been less established megapopular exclusives, yes, but the same could be said of the PS2 and one could argue that the 360 isn't getting as many new franchises as PS3. Sony's strength is not to rely on old franchises and allowing creative freedom of developers to do whatever they want. Second the double standards for Xbox fans are insane, when most of those franchises were announced exclusive to PS3, no one cared about them and now that they're multiplatform they're the greatest thing to happen to Microsoft. Not to mention how those franchises jumping on the multiplatform bandwagon to PS3 were all hyped up to be super great games and when they go to PS3 suddenly they don't care about them anymore. Yes you aren't completely biased against all PS3 games and yes you are harsh, but you are harsher on PS3 games than you are 360 games which it seems to be the major double standard this gen. Every PS3 game has to be the most innovative thing since sliced bread and if it's not it gets bashed(Killzone), but when a 360 game copies another game(Gears) it's not a problem or at least never mentioned by gamers and/or the media. And finally your tune has changed, in your previous post that I quoted you pretty much bashed PS3 and laughed at it saying it had no good games. Wtf. It's also funny how they mention sells of a few games as some sort of an indicator of having more popular franchises. You talk about attach rates, but those attach rates are only for exclusives. If you want to go that route then the Wii has the most popular franchises ever! As I stated Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter 4, and Devil May Cry 4 sold more on PS3. GTA4, as mentioned by a press conference by Take Two has sold about 50/50 on 360/PS3 give or take according to them. If you're using some crap source like VGChartz then don't, they've been proven to be unreliable. Not to mention several companies like EA, Ubisoft, Take Two, Konami, etc reporting more profit being made on PS3 than 360. Infact these companies made the MOST money off of PS3 compared to all other consoles/PC. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter if a game sells a megaton. If the game sells 1 million it still did really well and better than 95% of all games. If they get a return on their investment and make a profit, that's all that matters. Lets move onto console sells. Well you forgot to mention how if Microsoft didn't have that year lead it would be behind the PS3, despite the PS3 being double the price as the PS3 has sold more annually than the 360 has over the last two and a half years. So don't start giving me, "360 sold more and 360 sold this and that" etc... I don't really care about sells but it's clear that the PS3 has enough install base and moving power that it is still a popular household name. It is also clear why MS will have a hard time getting 3rd parties to cut off half of their profits. In 2005/2006 when the PS3 wasn't out yet or had very low numbers it was much easier for them to convince them to exclusively move over to them. I think Microsoft will be disappointed with Natal. Sony has already learned that using your body as a controller is not appealing and yeah it has voice recognition, but so did Sony on PS2. Being more advanced does not make it any more fun and you said your self innovation /=/ fun. Maybe it will be a success, but I don't see it doing that great as their core audience(and the PC crowd) don't give two hoots about this. Tell me where MGS5 is, because it has not been announced yet. We have a spin off that is multiplatform and the next true MGS sequel being developed by the core MGS team is exclusive to the PSP. Edited by Neo Metallix, Jun 9 2009, 05:40 PM.
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Jun 9 2009, 07:20 PM Post #68 |
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I never said it had no good games. And I never set a double standard... sure that is the norm for ANY fanboy but it's something I try to avoid. I'm not a big Bioshock fan and it didn't sell all that well so I don't care about it moving. I have also played Test Drive and Ninja Gaiden, both were really solid games but neither break the bank. I laughed because of people saying the 360 was merely hanging on for dear life when it was doing so much more. It's also funny that you reference Killzone as a game that some call lame when I openly support it having played it and the original with much fun, and I'd also like to know what Gears copied... if you don't mind. Also show me your source as to your GTA statistics, because as I know it.. 360 GTA has pretty solidly outsold the PS3 version. I've also been a Tekken fan among other current and former Sony exclusives. Also you're being counter productive against your own words and picking certain games that sold better on the PS3.. I was just comparing some better selling titles between the two and then you contradicted yourself by saying "Street Evil 5 sold better on PS3...." (I know that isn't really a quote) Also I have not really seen any third party spite of Microsoft nor have I read anything, the 360 has already showcased itself as completely capable so I dont see where Third Parties would be unwilling and reluctant. Also also... where did I say innovation = fun.. I think innovation is a part of fun but it is far from everything. And you would be surprised about the buzz behind NATAL. Sony's efforts with camera based motion games never succeeded because they didn't push their product hard enough and there was never anything worth playing on them. The Xbox Live Vision Cam basically suffered the same fate... But NATAL being far more advanced and complete has a far better shot than any of the previously mentioned. Finally, hearing you say you don't care about what the 360 has sold hardware-software wise is all I need to hear. BECAUSE IT DOES MATTER, and whether you want to throw in circumstantial things like the 360 being out first or whatever bs.. the fact of the matter is that it HAS sold more in nearly every way.. and being out early changes jack crap.. almost all of the people who bought it on it's natural launch probably would have STILL bought it even if pushed back to a time around the PS3 launch date. That overused argument is null... And fair enough... spin-off MGS or MGS5, it is still a MGS title coming to the 360 that is expected to sell units. Also, sorry for the shorter than average reply I'm a bit tired/busy with exams coming up real soon. |
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| wowzaa1 | Jun 14 2009, 10:17 AM Post #69 |
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You know what I think? I think we should just get rid of all exclusives. Every game should be on every system if it works well on anything. I have a 360 and would love to play uncharted but I can't so that makes me sad. I wish PS3 owners could get stuff like l4d whitch is one of the coolest multiplayers ever. Anyways you guys can argue if you want I don't care and I learn a lot of stuff from it lollool. |
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Jun 15 2009, 11:49 PM Post #70 |
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As much as consumers would love it, the industry would crumble and fail due to lack of competition resulting in lessining the quality product count. That's just the way people are, when there are no exclusives to scramble for and no reason to buy one console over another, people get lazy. It is basically proven by the way people act throughout history in a complete monopolization of any one industry. Take for example.. Comcast of the modern day. They have become the wide and far preferred case in this country, and their rates keep skyrocketing the more popular they get... however they do compensate. But should they ever gain a bigger market share.. I'd look out. The only fair instance of no-competition in business that stayed working properly was with the phone systems in the US under the Bell (Ma Bell) since they kept things well regulated and still used competitive pricing and worked hard even as the only real choice around. However, after the government reverted it back into baby bells (East, West, North, South, Southwest, Canada e.t.c.) which have since been renamed (for instance.. Northwest Bell is now Qwest) and all of the prices have gone back up between the Bells, AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon competition.. among others. In short.. generally when there is no competition there is no drive to succeed, resulting in a weakening or collapse of an industry.. or at least a periodic lapse in quality. So it will never ever be un-exclusified. Because as nice as third-party cross platformers are, it's the exclusives that ultimately drive console sales. Also it is established that Valve dislikes the PS3 so I doubt L4D or any sequels it spawns will be on the PS3, but only time will tell. |
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| wowzaa1 | Jun 16 2009, 04:21 PM Post #71 |
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Well, ok I guess that makes sense. |
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