Yahoo says Sonic franchise should be put to rest

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Yahoo says Sonic franchise should be put to rest
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Fenroar	Dec 29 2008, 04:00 PM Post #1
Perfectionist Posts: 3,036 Group: E Rank Legend Member #9,478 Joined: November 2, 2008 Gender: Male 3DS Friend Code: 1504-6189-5960	What Yahoo thinks are the five franchises that should be put to rest! Yes, sorry, Sonic fans, but Yahoo made this article on what 5 franchises seriously need to put to rest. And it seemed like Sonic is in the list along with Crash Bandicoot, Dance Dance Revolution, Need for Speed, and.... Leisure Suit Larry. Quote: We're not entirely convinced you can get too much of a good thing -- a lifetime supply of Ben & Jerry's sounds pretty infallible -- but you can definitely get too much of a bad thing. Take, for instance, the following video game franchises. At one point or another, these were industry-leading properties with bright futures and enormous potential. Then, it all went wrong. Sonic the Hedgehog Remember when Sonic was awesome? Neither do we. We're not sure what's more puzzling -- the fact that they keep making terrible Sonic games, or the fact that Sega keeps using the tired blue blur as its official mascot. Other than the recent role-playing game Sonic Chronicles, there hasn't been a truly fun Sonic game in about a decade. That's about nine years too long. Speed kills. Dance Dance Revolution Okay, we'll admit that DDR did a lot for getting kids into shape, and we tip our cap to Konami for getting it into schools. But for a game that's merely a decade old, why are there six hundred versions?. Ultramix, Universe, Unleashed, Supernova, Extreme...can anyone follow this? We cannot, which means it's time to rein it in for a few years and let everyone catch up. Maybe by then we'll have learned some new moves, too. Is the Electric Slide still cool? Crash Bandicoot Another throwback mascot who can't take a hint (the lifespan of the Eastern Bandicoot is only three years, you know), Crash Bandicoot is having a harder time retiring than Evander Holyfield. While his games aren't quite as lousy as Sonic's, they're just as meaningless, doing little to advance the platforming genre and mostly stinking up the sales chart. And as the revenue dwindles, so does our interest in appreciating the good times we had with the onetime Sony mascot. Wow, yeah, he IS old. Leisure Suit Larry Old-school adventure gamers might light up when they see the name Leisure Suit Larry, but my, how the times have changed. His embarrassing last game, Magna Cum Laude, was widely considered the worst game of 2004. Which, of course, means only one thing: make another one! The next offender, Box Office Smash, is due out in 2009, although Activision/Blizzard mercifully swapped his leisure suit for a straightjacket and put the game on indefinite hold. Need For Speed You know your racing game series is in trouble when you start promoting the live-action talent and awful illegal street-racing plotline more than the actual racing, but you know your racing game series is on life-support when even the live-action talent can't save the game from poor reviews and low sales. Such is the fate of the overdeveloped Need For Speed franchise, but unlike the other games on this list, rumor has it that this junker is headed back to the shop. Let's hope it stays there. Wow.... I wonder how you guys will react... I personally find Sonic games more fun then Crash Bandicoot at least... Edited by Fenroar, Dec 29 2008, 04:04 PM.

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Lady BlizShadow	Dec 31 2008, 12:02 AM Post #31
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	Technically, Mario and Sonic got average reviews. However, I do agree with you on the notion that the game did not increase Sonic's popularity by a noticeable margin since the sales of nearly every Sonic game after its release (minus the cumulative sales of all Unleashed versions) aren't really anything spectacular. Edited by BlizShadow, Dec 31 2008, 12:08 AM.
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~~Eprahim~~	Dec 31 2008, 01:49 AM Post #32
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,075 Group: Game Over :( Member #3,768 Joined: November 21, 2007	BlizShadow Dec 31 2008, 12:02 AM Technically, Mario and Sonic got average reviews. However, I do agree with you on the notion that the game did not increase Sonic's popularity by a noticeable margin since the sales of nearly every Sonic game after its release (minus the cumulative sales of all Unleashed versions) aren't really anything spectacular. "Shadow the hedgehog". 'nuff said.



Kammy	Dec 31 2008, 02:00 AM Post #33
You won't get much closer, 'till you sacrifice it all. Posts: 1,596 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,544 Joined: December 10, 2008 Game Currently Playing: Playstation AllStars: Battle Royale	NellieViolet101 Dec 30 2008, 05:50 PM This is not new to me. People always been saying "Sonic should've stayed dead". People complain too much about every Sonic game that comes out. It's gets annoying. I 100% agree with you. Rant, rant, rant. SEGA are working their socks off, and people flame every single Sonic game up to date! For example, in Unleashed, people go on and on about the 'stoopid' werehog $:\$ I think werehog Sonic was cool! I don't care, if anyone flames me, honestly, I don't care. Tis' annoying. Raah.
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Time Lord Shadow	Dec 31 2008, 02:15 AM Post #34
Official fan of Rouge Posts: 1,270 Group: A Rank Hero Member #9,467 Joined: October 27, 2008	Ray Dec 30 2008, 08:29 AM Why don't we go show them HOW REPETITIVE MARIO IS? Then maybe they can put THAT franchise to rest. At least Sonic has new stuff every now and then, Mario doesn't. And it's always Mario, Mario, Mario. It's lame. Yahoo needs to do their research before they make up garbage like this. Mario is more repetitive than Sonic, nuff said. Mario is same old same old, at least Sega is different with Sonic. I Agree When Nintendo Made the first mario party it was cool but then it began grow from Mario Party 1 Then Mario and then all the way to Mario Party 8 Like stop making too many Mario Parties games nintendo 8 is enough! The reason mario is popular b/c Nintendo doesn't make new characters and they stick with the ones they have and more and more the mario games are getting more lame like Super Mario Galaxy where he has to rescue Princess Peach again in Space! Do I have to say more? Edited by Time Lord Shadow, Dec 31 2008, 02:16 AM.
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Kitm	Dec 31 2008, 02:16 AM Post #35
Lava Reef Act 1 Posts: 2,977 Group: =SB= Governors Member #1,073 Joined: May 18, 2007 Gender: Male Country: Canada Game Currently Playing: Destiny	Hmm... I find it interesting that no matter how repetitive Mario games are, it's rare to see one that hasn't received lass than 70% as a review rating, furthering my suspicion of the media thrusting their lips unto Nintendo's ass. It seems as if... gasp! Could it be? No. Apparently, the media, it's, it's...biased! I never would've guessed!



Kammy	Dec 31 2008, 02:20 AM Post #36
You won't get much closer, 'till you sacrifice it all. Posts: 1,596 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,544 Joined: December 10, 2008 Game Currently Playing: Playstation AllStars: Battle Royale	Ktimleck Dec 31 2008, 02:16 AM It seems as if... gasp! Could it be? No. Apparently, the media, it's, it's...biased! I never would've guessed! OMG! I didn't know that! Nooo! Were all gonna die!! ....Yeah.
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Super Sonic Hedgehog	Dec 31 2008, 02:26 AM Post #37
Angel Island Act 2 Posts: 74 Group: D Rank Adventurer Member #9,479 Joined: November 3, 2008	Neo Metal Sonic Dec 31 2008, 02:15 AM Ray Dec 30 2008, 08:29 AM Why don't we go show them HOW REPETITIVE MARIO IS? Then maybe they can put THAT franchise to rest. At least Sonic has new stuff every now and then, Mario doesn't. And it's always Mario, Mario, Mario. It's lame. Yahoo needs to do their research before they make up garbage like this. Mario is more repetitive than Sonic, nuff said. Mario is same old same old, at least Sega is different with Sonic. I Agree When Nintendo Made the first mario party it was cool but then it began grow from Mario Party 1 Then Mario and then all the way to Mario Party 8 Like stop making too many Mario Parties games nintendo 8 is enough! The reason mario is popular b/c Nintendo doesn't make new characters and they stick with the ones they have and more and more the mario games are getting more lame like Super Mario Galaxy where he has to rescue Princess Peach again in Space! Do I have to say more? Very True. I mean really Mario Party 1 was ok. Then it just started to crumble. As with Super Mario Galaxy, which I own, is quite good but not as good as say Sonic and the Secret Rings. For SMG to get almost a perfect score and Secret Rings to get about 80 (GamesMaster UK) is just wrong. But maybe more games where Sonic and Mario meet might just get those IDIOTS back on Sonic's side. Not that we need them anyway. Their Search Engine should be put to rest. And anyone who thinks Crash Bandicoot games are better than Sonic's should jump of a cliff it to a pit of Spikes.
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Kammy	Dec 31 2008, 02:35 AM Post #38
You won't get much closer, 'till you sacrifice it all. Posts: 1,596 Group: S Rank Hero Member #9,544 Joined: December 10, 2008 Game Currently Playing: Playstation AllStars: Battle Royale	I own a Crash Bandicoot game. It sucks =D As for Mario, I think Sonic is better...with the on going Mario Party series and all... Yeah.
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Cy-Fox	Dec 31 2008, 03:20 AM Post #39
We are still watching Posts: 3,486 Group: =SB= Kings Member #3,975 Joined: November 29, 2007 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Steam ID: cy-fox	The irony here is that Yahoo itself has "jumped the shark" and has nearly been put to rest.



Fenroar	Dec 31 2008, 06:53 AM Post #40
Perfectionist Posts: 3,036 Group: E Rank Legend Member #9,478 Joined: November 2, 2008 Gender: Male 3DS Friend Code: 1504-6189-5960	Ray Dec 30 2008, 11:54 AM Mario isn't struggling because apparently many fans like the repetitive game sit offers. The best Mario game is Mario Bros for NES, after that, Sonic is better than any of those other games, and it brings in new twists. Once again, Ray, trying something new isn't exactly good.... Quote: Sonic is at least implementing some new features or at least trying to.. with success. With success?!?....sigh Quote: I don't know about that... Mario was struggling on the GameCube when all they had was a lame spinoff(Luigi's Mansion) and the not-so-good sunshine... He got rave reviews on Wii, but it wasn't exactly innovative or game-changing. It was more like Mario 64 in space. But that's the point. Nintendo tried something new with Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion which got that familiar criticism. Just remind me who has the familiar criticism now? Mario 64 got new features. Although I do have to disagree with critics about being revolutionary but it took all the features from 64 and improved it if you ask me. Once again, the series SHOULDN'T have to change its formula. Quote: The reason mario is popular b/c Nintendo doesn't make new characters and they stick with the ones they have and more and more the mario games are getting more lame like Super Mario Galaxy where he has to rescue Princess Peach again in Space! Do I have to say more? -They made Pikmin which was Nintendo's newest and most original game in years. They actually create a new character every generation. Sure, maybe some aren't as famous, but they are a few underrated on the DS I think. The actually have lots of different but underrated games/characters. Quote: But maybe more games where Sonic and Mario meet might just get those IDIOTS back on Sonic's side. Not that we need them anyway. Oh I take it I'm an idiot for just being a fan of Mario? And about the Mario Party series, it actually completely changes mini-games every new game, more change then some games. But I do see some your points. Sigh but we might as well get back on topic.



The Shadow Tweaker	Dec 31 2008, 07:51 AM Post #41
Actions speak louder than words. Posts: 353 Group: E Rank Knight Member #542 Joined: February 4, 2007	Quote: Technically, Mario and Sonic got average reviews. However, I do agree with you on the notion that the game did not increase Sonic's popularity by a noticeable margin since the sales of nearly every Sonic game after its release (minus the cumulative sales of all Unleashed versions) aren't really anything spectacular. Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games sales are pretty steller compared to most Sonic games. The game itself was definetely popular, but whether it had any effect on either mascot reputation is uncertain. Quote: But that's the point. Nintendo tried something new with Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion which got that familiar criticism. Just remind me who has the familiar criticism now? No they didn't. Sunshine was a VERY linear and difficult Super Mario 64 with a waterjet back thingy. It was the same deal with an attached gimmick. It was 'different' in the ture sense.



Lady BlizShadow	Dec 31 2008, 11:05 AM Post #42
I still can't use this. Posts: 6,546 Group: Former Monarchs Member #6,722 Joined: March 16, 2008	Black Hero Dec 31 2008, 07:51 AM Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games sales are pretty steller compared to most Sonic games. The game itself was definetely popular, but whether it had any effect on either mascot reputation is uncertain. I know the game's sales were excellent, but the reviews themselves did not reflect its popularity-- average scores across the board. I'm also pretty certain that Sonic's popularity is no better nor worse for it. Again, game sales after the fact and the continued pumping out of articles like Yahoo's and horrific reviews like Hilary's don't reflect any noticeable spike, but rather continued stagnation unfortunately. xP And I need to comment on this: Fenroar But that's the point. Nintendo tried something new with Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion which got that familiar criticism. Just remind me who has the familiar criticism now? Mario 64 got new features. Although I do have to disagree with critics about being revolutionary but it took all the features from 64 and improved it if you ask me. Once again, the series SHOULDN'T have to change its formula. Is it the fact that the new ideas exist or that they simply weren't implemented properly that made these games suffer criticism? When all is said and done, I believe its true that ideas =/= execution. A good game is not determined by whether or not it sticks to what the franchise has established, but just how good a game is. If such were not the case, Mario 64 and Sonic Adventure would be considered horrific simply for changing precedent and being 3D platformers. And unfortunately, until people realize this, no on will be willing to give these ideas a fair shake and regardless of whether or not future games are actually good solid titles, which is what Sonic actually needs at this point, the hole will just become deeper. It's sad that our preconceptions have now become the basis of our final judgement on Sonic games. Through this, we are, in a way, forcing Sonic games to live up to impossible standards: The merits of each individual opinion and some strange, unwritten moral obligation the new games have to the older ones, and not the merits of themselves. It's flat out stupid; utterly sickening how narrow-minded the industry and consumers have become in regards to this series. Sonic Team is not the only one who has to change their routine. We need start judging these games by their intention and how they live up to the precedent of the industry as we originally did, not whether or not it fulfills our unimportant and irrelevant nostalgic fantasies. Had we been doing this all along, there would be no way on Earth anyone who had played the game for five minutes would have considered Unleashed to be on par or even worse than Sonic '06 and still be considered a credible critic.
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Fenroar	Dec 31 2008, 11:42 AM Post #43
Perfectionist Posts: 3,036 Group: E Rank Legend Member #9,478 Joined: November 2, 2008 Gender: Male 3DS Friend Code: 1504-6189-5960	Black Hero Dec 31 2008, 07:51 AM Quote: But that's the point. Nintendo tried something new with Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion which got that familiar criticism. Just remind me who has the familiar criticism now? No they didn't. Sunshine was a VERY linear and difficult Super Mario 64 with a waterjet back thingy. It was the same deal with an attached gimmick. It was 'different' in the ture sense. You can't simply just go and remove everything though. By adding the water jet pack thingy, it managed to add change and yet it still sticks to the formula. But this small change appears is what to got this game a few brows up. And... ture? Quote: Is it the fact that the new ideas exist or that they simply weren't implemented properly that made these games suffer criticism? If you're gonna use "implented properly" against me then I can go and say the same thing about some Sonic games. But I'm not going to even bother debate anymore, seeing we're just getting off-topic.



The Shadow Tweaker	Jan 1 2009, 05:55 AM Post #44
Actions speak louder than words. Posts: 353 Group: E Rank Knight Member #542 Joined: February 4, 2007	Quote: I know the game's sales were excellent, but the reviews themselves did not reflect its popularity-- average scores across the board. I'm also pretty certain that Sonic's popularity is no better nor worse for it. Again, game sales after the fact and the continued pumping out of articles like Yahoo's and horrific reviews like Hilary's don't reflect any noticeable spike, but rather continued stagnation unfortunately. xP I think I was mainly refering to the popularity outside of the online gaming community as opposed to the gaming media. Quote: You can't simply just go and remove everything though. You can't yes yourr right. However 5 years between games is a long time and one should be able to take advantage of the vast evolution of technology that there has been besides a slight graphical update. Quote: By adding the water jet pack thingy, it managed to add change and yet it still sticks to the formula. But this small change appears is what to got this game a few brows up. The jet pack gimmick is no different to the gravity gimmick in Galaxy. People simple hated having to upgrade it as opposed to suits. And the jet pack wasn't the only reason gamers disliked the game (bear in mind that this 'dislike' only started quite some time after Sunshine was released because sunshine actually got higher reviews than 64) stuff like the camera, the linearity, difficulty and overall tone were also issues.



shadowsminion	Jan 1 2009, 09:38 AM Post #45
Diamond: Protector of Space Posts: 1,801 Group: S Rank Hero Member #6,183 Joined: February 23, 2008	Kill Yahoo? I think they had one too many drinks last night on New Years. I strongly disagree with them. Whoever wrote that article should go hide in a hole, Because the entire Sonic community is going to come looking for him just to spit in his face and throw stuff at him... maybe rocks made to look like Sonic. But that man was stupid, he said NOTHING positive in the WHOLE article. There have been some great Sonic games in my opinion, hell, I loved them all. So he can go be negative somewhere else, or I shall throw random... Sonic toys at him, YES!



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