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What's with the media and Sara Palin?!
Topic Started: Oct 26 2008, 11:43 PM (579 Views)
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Seriously... Wth is wrong with the media always claiming she is not experienced enough and can't handle the job as Vice President?! Am I missing something here, because I always see them spinning things to make her our to be a bad choice.
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Good, obama FTW

But seriously, it's the media what do you expect. They'll twist anything and everything to make it sound half interesting.

I personally don't know all that much about her. Afterall, I don't live in america, and I don't watch the news (the news is too depressing, and so is the weather that's on right after). But the impression I get isn't a good one. McCain will lead america exactly like Bush did, and bush has made a shambles of everything. I heard some guy on last night mentioning "the UNITED states of america. They don't seem too united to me"
I mean, New Orleans is still a mess as far I see. Whats needed is change, and personally Obama seems like the better person to do so.
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Sarah Palin is the biggest presidential publicity stunt since the Watergate Scandal. Or even Bill Clinton's sex scandal. How ironic that the first time a woman runs for president, another is elected as a running mate.
And where are her credentials? She can see Russian islands (foreign experience), she supports and participates in hunting Alaskan native species, including some classified as endangered elsewhere (environmental concerns)....
Oh yeah, and she thinks dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago.

McCain, his administration and his supporters can justify it all they want; her as a running mate will always be just a political marketing campaign to me. I wasn't going to vote for McCain because I'm democratic, but now I'm sure I'm just Anti-McCainPalin.

If those two get into office, I'll fear for the USA more than I already am.
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Sarah Palin is the biggest presidential publicity stunt since the Watergate Scandal. Or even Bill Clinton's sex scandal. How ironic that the first time a woman runs for president, another is elected as a running mate.
And where are her credentials? She can see Russian islands (foreign experience), she supports and participates in hunting Alaskan native species, including some classified as endangered elsewhere (environmental concerns)....
Oh yeah, and she thinks dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago.

McCain, his administration and his supporters can justify it all they want; her as a running mate will always be just a political marketing campaign to me. I wasn't going to vote for McCain because I'm democratic, but now I'm sure I'm just Anti-McCainPalin.

If those two get into office, I'll fear for the USA more than I already am.
"300 days as a senator"

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Also, it's almost impossible that McCain would die, since his mother is still alive.

So yeah. I do not support a lot McCain, but he's MUCH better than Obama.
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I'll tell you why; Because she is a Pro-gun Homophobe, who believes that 'honouring the family structure is important' Does she not realise that the family structure is so diverse these days that it's absolutley impossible to define it? And that's the way it should be. She refuses to treat those different than her as her equals in polotics. She's gotta realise that America is a complex country full of different groups of culture and interest.

Sarah Palin sucks, end of story. I don't blame the media. She is willing to censor anything that doesn’t fall into her narrow set of beliefs. According to Time, she asked the Library how she could go about banning books, because she believed than some used inappropriate language. Like come on, seriously?

And as well as her being a Creationist, did I mention the poor record? She's only been Govenor of Alaska for less that two years, and Mayor of one of its small towns previous to that, which she left behind and is now in financial ruin.

Also, when asked about the Iraq War, it was found out that she had never really thought about the situation and what she would like to happen. Great.

In short, I agree with Cap, the country needs change, so Obama is your best bet, unless you wanna live through at least another 4 years of Bushism.
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Sarah Palin is soooooo horrible. Ugh. I think reasons have been stated though.

But don't take it out on McCain. Hes a good guy, he just doesn't understand some basic economy.

Oh yeah, and Palin provokes crowds into killing Obama. Just great. At least McCain stops his crowd.

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Also, it's almost impossible that McCain would die, since his mother is still alive.


His mom's age is irrevelant, the guy is 70.
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Oct 27 2008, 04:48 AM
Sarah Palin is the biggest presidential publicity stunt since the Watergate Scandal. Or even Bill Clinton's sex scandal. How ironic that the first time a woman runs for president, another is elected as a running mate.
And where are her credentials? She can see Russian islands (foreign experience), she supports and participates in hunting Alaskan native species, including some classified as endangered elsewhere (environmental concerns)....
Oh yeah, and she thinks dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago.

McCain, his administration and his supporters can justify it all they want; her as a running mate will always be just a political marketing campaign to me. I wasn't going to vote for McCain because I'm democratic, but now I'm sure I'm just Anti-McCainPalin.

If those two get into office, I'll fear for the USA more than I already am.
I wholeheartedly agree.. Not that I am really Anti anyone, but I tend to be Democratic anyways. I know a low blow when I see it and Palin was only nominated to steal angry Hillary Clinton supporters (and I am happy that Hillary is rallying them to Obama as much as she can) and really doesn't seem to have much of a voice outside of speeches when it comes to the campaign. Really I think McCain has little to no faith in her as a politician who hasn't even governed a whole first term in Alaska (a 2 year Governor, first nominated in 2006.) She is little more than a campaign figurehead and I don't see much change coming outside of that.

McCain calls Obama inexperienced and counters that with the most inexperienced person in this presidential race so far.. even under people not nominated by both parties.

McCain/Palin will definately bring the hatchet to the country that they want.. however in their inexperience and inaccuracy, they will chop off the limbs of this country one by one if voted in.


In my belief.. to save this country and the economy, you need to vote Obama and Biden since we know how well Democrats have been at saving a country from recession/ depression and deficit before.. Roosevelt saving us from the Hoover policies and then Clinton saving us from the horrors that daddy Bush put us through.
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A really bad Disney movie with a hockey mum from Alaska. Couldn't put it better myself.

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Also, it's almost impossible that McCain would die, since his mother is still alive.


His mom's age is irrevelant, the guy is 70.
GENETICS!


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Guys, two words. Obama Republican. Yeah, right here. Me. Scary huh? Sure, give Palin some credit, she turned the Alaskan economy around but you do know that most of the Alaskan economy is OIL? Alaska is basically Texas with a bigger area to cover (Alaska is our largest state), and look what Texas gave us.

Now look at Joe Biden. Sure, compared to Sarah Palin, Palin beats him in a swimsuit competition but this is NOT a swimsuit competition. This is the bloody vice-presidency. The presidency of the Senate. Successor to the President in the event of death or incapitation by health or other means. Senator Biden on the other hand has experience with foreign policy. Plus he has to have something going for him if Barack Obama chose him for VP.
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Also, it's almost impossible that McCain would die, since his mother is still alive.


His mom's age is irrevelant, the guy is 70.
GENETICS!


(Ha ha ha random parenthesis not to break three words per post rule. HAHA)
Theres more things that effect life expectancy than genetics.

The guy is still 70 something.
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Also, it's almost impossible that McCain would die, since his mother is still alive.
Just thought I would say that some parents outlive their kids and that women have a LONGER life expectancy than men.

Males- 75.4 years

Females- 80.5 years

So while McCain is within that barrier for his first term (however very slightly) there isn't a snowflake's chance in a fiery place that he could right this ship in just one term.
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Good, obama FTW

But seriously, it's the media what do you expect. They'll twist anything and everything to make it sound half interesting.

I personally don't know all that much about her. Afterall, I don't live in america, and I don't watch the news (the news is too depressing, and so is the weather that's on right after). But the impression I get isn't a good one. McCain will lead america exactly like Bush did, and bush has made a shambles of everything. I heard some guy on last night mentioning "the UNITED states of america. They don't seem too united to me"
I mean, New Orleans is still a mess as far I see. Whats needed is change, and personally Obama seems like the better person to do so.
This is about Palin and all I'm saying is she has a smart brain sitting on top of her shoulders. She has common sense and is not dumb at all, but since you brought it up... McCain is nothing like bush and because he's old he gets a bad rap by the media for being "out of touch"... So we have a double standard. McCain's age makes him out of touch, but Obama's age doesn't make him inexperienced?! Everyone's just believing the crap they hear in the news and taking it like sheep. People blame Bush for the bad economy when the causes for the banks failing is directly tied to the Clinton Administration and the democrats that were in power in the 90s, but people don't see that... They just look at the surface. Economy bad, Bush bad, Bush Republican = Republican's are responsible and are all the same. So somehow since McCain is a Republican it makes him like Bush...

Palin is qualified to be Vice President no doubt. I mean, I just don't get the media. Somehow Palin is being painted as inexperienced while Obama gets a free ride? If Palin is inexperienced, then so is Obama. At least Palin has Governed over something before. The reason why Obama picked Joe Biden is because he knew he needed someone with experience to help him and so he wouldn't get eaten alive by McCain pointing his inexperience out. The media is so idiotic, can you say double standard?!

Also, everyone just falls into the belief that unless there is a huge overhaul, nothing will change when that's further from the truth. So when some guy comes out and says his socialistic changes are needed, people eat it up. Spread the wealth, is the new description for socialism it seems. This is how Hitler came into power people.... Things were bad and everyone wanted an overhaul so they elected the guy that knew how to make the best speeches.... Not comparing Obama to Hitler, but comparing their tactics to get elected. Obama is the best person I know how to say nothing and make it sound like something.

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I'll tell you why; Because she is a Pro-gun Homophobe, who believes that 'honouring the family structure is important' Does she not realise that the family structure is so diverse these days that it's absolutley impossible to define it? And that's the way it should be. She refuses to treat those different than her as her equals in polotics. She's gotta realise that America is a complex country full of different groups of culture and interest.


She may support a family structure that has worked since the dawn of time, but your accusations of her are of what you heard from the media... She doesn't want to force her beliefs on anyone(unlike California that forces their beliefs on the people by overturning a law voted in) and change their way of life. Now you're just making her out to be close minded... Which may be true to an extent, but I'd say the people calling her nuts are more close minded. I mean just because she has some beliefs, she has to be some radical nut job right? I think it's extremely close minded to say that, because in essence saying she's close minded is saying their beliefs are the absolute right.

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She's only been Govenor of Alaska for less that two years, and Mayor of one of its small towns previous to that, which she left behind and is now in financial ruin.


And what? Obama is way more qualified to be leader of a nation than someone who has governed over a state? They're both inexperienced in THAT sense... That small town you mention of being in financial ruin probably wasn't even her fault.. Just the media trying to make her look bad. :|

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But don't take it out on McCain. Hes a good guy, he just doesn't understand some basic economy.
I think he understand the economy pretty well and wants it to remain capitalistic...

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Clinton saving us from the horrors that daddy Bush put us through.

Yeah and before Clinton left around 1999 there was a recession from the dot com bubble burst but when Bush Jr. came to office and the recession was still there, he was blamed for it. Also... It wasn't Clinton's superior knowledge of the economy that saved anyone... Sure he did good at balancing the budget, but the reason why the economy was booming was because of Regan's policies. See things take time to see any effect from and it was the effects of Regan's policies that had the economy booming in the 90s. A lot of people do NOT like Obama's economic plans... The owner of the Miami Dolphins has put the team up for sale so he didn't have to pay Obama's higher taxes... “He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it,” Huizenga said. “I’d rather give it to charity than to him.”

My god, I just laugh everytime I watch the news and see how badly they try to destroy Palin. For no reason at all, just because of her beliefs and that's absolutely ridiculous! What they're doing to her is appalling. They don't agree with her so they try to destroy her. I'm not a huge supporter of her and I don't really think she's anything great, but I can see through the moronic media. And what's with this Joe the Plumber? The media tried to destroy him too. A REGULAR WORKING AMERICAN that doesn't like Obama's economic plans so they try to find dirt on him. Wtf?! Too bad they couldn't find anything... :|
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What's with the media trying to smear Palin? It's simple: Sexism is alive and well in the media. You heard me. They're just trying to smear Palin because she's a woman. A female President or Vice-President is just so inconceivable to so many people... After all, the women's rights movement didn't pick up steam until the turn of the previous century...

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This is about Palin and all I'm saying is she has a smart brain sitting on top of her shoulders. She has common sense and is not dumb at all
She thinks dinosaurs lived 4000 years ago when carbon dating has easily proved otherwise.

She thinks foreign policy experience counts as being able to see Russia from the state.

In an interview with Charlie Gibson, she was unable to answer the simple question "Do you believe in the Bush doctrine?"

Really, if she is intelligent enough to warrant a high position in government, she hasn't shown it at all which is not what anyone currently needs; we don't need a Jessica Simpson routine. I may disagree with McCain's stances, but Jesus, at least the guy has at least shown me critical thinking skills before.

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McCain is nothing like bush and because he's old he gets a bad rap by the media for being "out of touch"... So we have a double standard. McCain's age makes him out of touch, but Obama's age doesn't make him inexperienced?!
No one denies that Obama has political inexperience (btw, inexperience =/= a lack of judgement nor ability to be in touch with the public; if it did, I wouldn't be an admin here x3;; ), but it's hypocritical and outright stupid to base one of your major talking points against the opposing party on experience and then pick someone like Palin.

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People blame Bush for the bad economy when the causes for the banks failing is directly tied to the Clinton Administration and the democrats that were in power in the 90s, but people don't see that... They just look at the surface. Economy bad, Bush bad, Bush Republican = Republican's are responsible and are all the same. So somehow since McCain is a Republican it makes him like Bush...
Sub prime lending (which is not a partisan practice) actually went farther back than went Clinton got in office. It can take its roots from the Community Reinvestment Act which was created under Carter; nearly 20 years before Clinton hit the White House. While I don't deny regulation of the housing market eventually whittled away under Clinton's watch due to Mr. Cisneros, Bush's hands aren't clean either-- the lending rates continued to increase under the Bush administration's watch also. Even then, that does not erase the fact that we actually had a surplus in the federal budget under Clinton's watch which was sorely wasted under Bush.

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Palin is qualified to be Vice President no doubt. I mean, I just don't get the media. Somehow Palin is being painted as inexperienced while Obama gets a free ride? If Palin is inexperienced, then so is Obama. At least Palin has Governed over something before. The reason why Obama picked Joe Biden is because he knew he needed someone with experience to help him and so he wouldn't get eaten alive by McCain pointing his inexperience out. The media is so idiotic, can you say double standard?!
Again, I don't get why people forget the irony that comes with electing an inexperienced running mate when you made a great deal about your opponent's inexperience and called him "unable to lead". The ticket needs to decide whether inexperience is detrimental or irrelevant and hold Obama to the same standards (well, they have decided the latter; now we have to sit through this Ayers and Wright bullcrap.).

Speaking of being eaten alive about foreign policy experience, did you watch the debates? Obama held his own plenty well. In fact, the Democratic ticket won each debate.

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Also, everyone just falls into the belief that unless there is a huge overhaul, nothing will change when that's further from the truth. So when some guy comes out and says his socialistic changes are needed, people eat it up. Spread the wealth, is the new description for socialism it seems. This is how Hitler came into power people.... Things were bad and everyone wanted an overhaul so they elected the guy that knew how to make the best speeches.... Not comparing Obama to Hitler, but comparing their tactics to get elected. Obama is the best person I know how to say nothing and make it sound like something.
If my reading of the website is correct, McCain has also promised tax breaks for the middle class just as Obama has promised-- we just wouldn't get as much under him (especially since he's lowering the corporate tax rate 10%; why, I don't know). However, Obama is the one branded as a socialist as a result. For one talking about double standards, why not go and wonder why McCain is having the audacity to spread the wealth too instead of sticking to the same trickle-down theory that has obviously worked so well for the middle class these last eight years.

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She doesn't want to force her beliefs on anyone
Yes she does, because she's a politician. All politicians use their beliefs to an extent in governing their respective bodies. That isn't an issue for me. What is the issue is whether or not her beliefs are agreeable with the majority of the American folk and positive for their progress, and from what I know about her I sure hope they aren't come Nov. 4th.

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I think he understand the economy pretty well and wants it to remain capitalistic...
So does Obama; he just cares a bit more for the middle class than McCain does.

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Yeah and before Clinton left around 1999 there was a recession from the dot com bubble burst but when Bush Jr. came to office and the recession was still there, he was blamed for it.
There was no recession in 1999. That was in 2000 after Clinton was gone. Besides, Clinton presided under a great bull market during the early 90s.

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Also... It wasn't Clinton's superior knowledge of the economy that saved anyone... Sure he did good at balancing the budget, but the reason why the economy was booming was because of Regan's policies. See things take time to see any effect from and it was the effects of Regan's policies that had the economy booming in the 90s.
You think balancing the budget did absolutely nothing for our economy? That is especially important and keeps your economy geared to flowing so money is not wasted. Not only that, but Clinton created 18.2 million new jobs, kept the unemployment rate below 5% for 21 months in a row, and kept the price index at 1% amongst other things that are not simply due to precedent. That was all Clinton and the 103rd Congress. Reagan is hardly relevant as to why we had a $600 billion surplus back in the day.

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A lot of people do NOT like Obama's economic plans...
On the contrary, polls show that more Americans believe that Obama is going to have a better handle on the economy than McCain which admittedly might be heavily due to party favoritism. xP

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And what's with this Joe the Plumber? The media tried to destroy him too. A REGULAR WORKING AMERICAN that doesn't like Obama's economic plans so they try to find dirt on him. Wtf?! Too bad they couldn't find anything... :|
I thought Joe had a point about how Obama might have impacted his lifestyle (only 2% of small business will be hit; not that they will die out from this anyways) until it was revealed that he wasn't actually a licensed, independent plumber nor making above $250,000 a year. In fact, he made $40,000 in 2006 and obviously hasn't seen that big of an increase.

That's right; a regular working American as you so blatantly put it who would actually benefit better under Obama's plan is writing him off because he might fit that criteria of people who will see a tax increase someday around the 12th of never. If that's the case, Joe the Plumber can go take a long walk for all I care.

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What's with the media trying to smear Palin? It's simple: Sexism is alive and well in the media. You heard me. They're just trying to smear Palin because she's a woman. A female President or Vice-President is just so inconceivable to so many people... After all, the women's rights movement didn't pick up steam until the turn of the previous century...

Before you call me "feminist," I am a guy. I'm just calling it how it looks like to me, that's all.
Hilary Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro didn't suffer as much hurt as Palin has. As a result, I'm not going to contribute all of this media nonsense to sexism because it's too easy to play the gender card just to feel sorry for her. She was a left-field pick and has so far not proven up to snuff with any other the other candidates in the race. I wouldn't be surprised if a male pick of her caliber and mindset suffered the same fate. She's very easy to chew to shreds and it's not just because of her gender.
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