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Kitm	Sep 19 2008, 09:59 PM Post #1
Lava Reef Act 1 Posts: 2,977 Group: =SB= Governors Member #1,073 Joined: May 18, 2007 Gender: Male Country: Canada Game Currently Playing: Destiny	So, I'd like to see, what are your vies on politics? Canadian or American? Communism or Dictatorship? Express any opinion you seem to have.

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Katsuko	Sep 24 2008, 08:15 PM Post #16
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	Quote: I think McCain is like Bush and dude, this economy is hurting me enough already. Id rather move back to Canada than live on the streets in America. And I read the part about the Iraq war thingy, and Bush STARTED the war, so he doesn't have money left. And then their bailing out all these companies, AND CEOs are getting a bbbuuunnnccchhhh of money and not even getting a warning. The banks are corrupt as ever and are willing to give impossible loans. I answered this above. The economy isn't failing because Bush got us involved in a war. The Defense spending currently makes up less than 5% of the GNP, which is one of the lowest rates since the end of WWII. See graphs Quote: And then their bailing out all these companies, AND CEOs are getting a bbbuuunnnccchhhh of money and not even getting a warning. The banks are corrupt as ever and are willing to give impossible loans. The Democrats are as responsible for this as anyone. Did you know that Obama's chief economic adviser is a former Fannie May president? Quote: And I don't like all these private soldiers there hiring. Their not responsible for ANYTHING! They could come into my house and rape me and not be responsible. THATS PRETTY SCARY IF YOU ASK ME! Somehow I doubt the accuracy here. Source? Quote: If they start the draft, I will explode and move. Really. Get out of IRAQ ALREADY!!!! There are sooooo many people dieing which sucks so I think it should stop and end this before it expands to WWIII. Actually, in terms of life lost, the Iraq War is one of the least expensive in American history. Also, according to most sources today, the Iraq war is going very, very well. We're not about to start WWIII. Quote: People who say Obama will raise taxes, of COURSE HE WILL HE NEEDS TO TO GET OUT OF THIS MESS!! And supposedly removing the tax cut on the rich is VERY BAD. MAYBE THE POOR or VERY LOWER MIDDLE CLASS (me) will get a little break here. Why do we need to give these people more money! HUH! THEY HAVE ENOUGH! I WOULD LIVE FINE WITH 1/4 WHAT THE RICH HAVE! Not everyone thinks we're in a horrible mess, and not everyone thinks government + money = solution. The only real argument you're proposing here is "WE NEED TO FIX STUFF. WE CAN DO THAT WITH TAXES." Could you be more specific please? Quote: screamlol Mccain has been using so many lies that are evilllllllllll. i.e. ? Quote: Besides, that senile old man doesn't even know how many houses he owns Yeah, those homes he bought for his family members to live in--his exwife, his daughter, his mom and dad, those kinds of people. Not like Obama, who'd never be so selfish or exorbitant as to help his brother in the slums of Africa out. I didn't respond to a lot, because if you read my long post, you'll find I already answered almost everything you said I hope that didn't sound too rude, but you have to understand that it's very frustrating to sit around for two hours researching, supporting, and proofreading/editing a cogent argument, just to have people say "Wall of text, not reading. Obama is the messiah!" Also, it's hard to argue if the only thing your saying is "We need to fix stuff. Obama will fix stuff." So aside from the Iraq War (as I said in my big post, Obama' and Bush's withdrawal timelines are almost the same at this point), how will Obama fix things? Edited by Katsuko, Sep 24 2008, 08:24 PM.
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Lord Bowie	Sep 25 2008, 12:20 AM Post #17
What is the difference between a duck? Posts: 4,799 Group: Former Monarchs Member #7,312 Joined: April 10, 2008 Playstation Network ID: Allbowdown Xbox Live Gamertag: allbowdown	I support Obama since McCain is just Bush in another skin.. Defense spending aside.. we are still in a pointless war that John looks to continue. We are in a financial crisis due to the Republicans and we need a Democrat to fix it.. Remember Daddy Bush??? He wrecked this country and put us in a stupid war (Desert Storm/ Persian Gulf) and it took Bill Clinton to save this country.. by far one of the greatest recent presidents ever. Now history has repeated itself with the son wrecking the country worse, Obama can save the economy much better than McCain or any Republican can. That is fact since the economy is historically better under Democratic control. And people call Obama a pushover just for being Democratic.. it doesn't take a Republican to bring the hammer down.. at least Obama has the ability to negotiate. I also look heavilly upon the vice presidents because my outlook of these next 4-8 years is grim. I believe this is a race between two "possible" dead men walking. Scenario 1 Obama wins and is elected, eventually a radical kills him in some method here at home.. just like every major figure who has called for change before him, (JFK, Lincoln, MLK, and almost Regan) and because there WILL be people who can't accept a black president. Joe Biden's political experience at least means he could take up the reigns if needed. Scenario 2 McCain is elected and dies in office from old age. Palin takes over and I don't outright think she can't handle a country.. but if the McCain campaign doesn't even want her really contributing at this point then I see her more as a figurehead and political ploy to secure votes from the Hillary gang.. I'm not 100% sure of the country under her eye. I support Obama not just because he is a better candidate (to me) but because his card actually has something called DEPTH should it be needed.
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~~Eprahim~~	Sep 25 2008, 02:21 AM Post #18
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,075 Group: Game Over :( Member #3,768 Joined: November 21, 2007	Wowzaa1 Sep 24 2008, 07:24 PM Guess who has to pay for all that. ME! #!#$!$#@ You're not paying for that. You're not an adult.



wowzaa1	Sep 25 2008, 03:50 PM Post #19
You are never quite the person you think you are Posts: 3,081 Group: E Rank Legend Member #4,510 Joined: December 22, 2007	Blink Blink I think over 18 has to pay taxes. Oh yeah and Ill respond to you later Yvette, Im kinda tired. But don't feel offended please, I in general like you, the only thing we don't agree on is politics.



Neo Metallix	Sep 25 2008, 04:08 PM Post #20
~Doomsday Overlord~ Posts: 15,568 Group: =SB= Emperor Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2006 Gender: Male Country: United States of America Playstation Network ID: Doc_Of_D Game Currently Playing: Tales of Xillia	BlizShadow Sep 19 2008, 10:36 PM Well, I'm not in any way, shape, or form a decent political pundit so my following post may be bashed to bits, but when it comes to the American election, I've recently found the Republican ticket disgraceful. We have an old man who has proven himself rather out of touch with our society and not willing to differentiate himself from the Bush doctrine that has placed our country in this financial crisis along with a woman who I see as little more than a right-wing wacko with little knowledge about what her possible position entails nor any general clue about politics as a whole. And while mudslinging is a general tactic in politics and has been done on both sides, the extent to which McCain's camp has been doing it this election has been disgraceful. They're resorting to obvious lies and distortions such as "Obama will raise taxes for the majority of Americans" or "Obama wants to teach sex-ed to elementary students" and constantly shoving in America's face the evils of radical liberalism when that's not even what has caused our troubles in the first place. I don't know about anyone else, but ever since the conventions, this election is been nearly black and white for me. Obama continues to recognize that the majority of America-- the middle class-- is suffering the burden of insane taxes and high prices on necessities like gas, food, and health care, and his plans for tax cuts sound like just what we need. I also like the fact that when it comes to foreign policies, he is adamant on diplomacy and thought before action, one of the things I believe made America such a brilliant ally and leader for other nations. Going further on this point, I also agree with him that since Iraq has not committed any travesty towards us, they were never our concern and we have little business of being over there now. It's costing us too much money when we should be focused on rebuilding ourselves. So yes, Obama is my choice for '08. Whoo-hoo. xD I don't see how you can say McCain is anything like Bush, because he is not.. All I know is if Obama gets elected for his speeches of "change" everyone is going to be sadly disappointed. Everyone wants change INSTANTLY, well Obama isn't going to change squat very quickly if at all and people will be like "I thought when he got elected everything would change and things would be better"... And if McCain gets elected, people will ignorantly claim stuff like this, "I knew he was like bush, he hasn't changed anything". They're both damned if they get elected, because of people's overly high expectations that things are just going to change like magic. So far all I've heard from Obama are grand speeches full of words... Big fancy words that add a lot of fluff to get him elected... "We are not democrats or republicans, we are Americans!!"... When I heard that I just laughed and was nauseated. It's just too much cheese!! Edited by Neo Metallix, Sep 25 2008, 04:24 PM.
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Katsuko	Sep 25 2008, 06:22 PM Post #21
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	Quote: I support Obama since McCain is just Bush in another skin No he's not. He's practically been nominated for his opposition to Bush. He was offered a VP position under Kerry, and rejected an offer from Bush later. Quote: we are still in a pointless war that John looks to continue The continued liberty of a country isn't trivial. Shall we put you in a pre-American Iraq equivalent? I don't think that we should have gone in the first place, but now that we're there, we have a responsibility to all Iraqi citizens to do the job. As I've said numerous times, that job is getting done, and we're going to pull out one way or another. Quote: We are in a financial crisis due to the Republicans and we need a Democrat to fix it Proof? I blame Democrats more than anyone. Fannie May has been an organ of the Democratic Party since FDR founded the thing. Quote: Remember Daddy Bush??? He wrecked this country and put us in a stupid war (Desert Storm/ Persian Gulf) and it took Bill Clinton to save this country.. by far one of the greatest recent presidents ever. A. Bush Sr. wasn't a conservative. He was a Republican liberal. B. Bush Sr. didn't wreck the economy. He was the victim of one of the smallest recessions in US history, blown up by media attention. And even modern Democrats support what we did in the first gulf war /= Quote: Now history has repeated itself with the son wrecking the country worse, Obama can save the economy much better than McCain or any Republican can. That is fact since the economy is historically better under Democratic control. A. that wouldn't make it fact; that would make it an educated opinion. B. That is simply inaccurate. Jimmy Carter and Lindon B. Johnson were some of the worst (economically and otherwise) presidents of the century, and were both Democrats. Eisenhower, the presidents of the 20's, and Ronald Reagan were Republicans, and served over some of the best. Until very recently, Bush led one of the most economically successful times in American history, in which the GDP grew throughout, and unemployment dropped steadily. Now there's a bit of trouble because of the real estate industry, and because of Fanny May's MORONIC practices, but this really isn't Bush's fault. Herbert Hoover, though a Republican, started the Depression largely with protectionism--he and his Congress raised tariffs phenomenally to protect the interests of American traders. Unfortunately, as history has proven time and time again, neither mercantilism nor protectionism work. Funny thing? Protectionism, Herbert Hoover's supposed Republican crime, is now very popular in the Democratic party. Quote: but if the McCain campaign doesn't even want her really contributing at this point then I see her more as a figurehead and political ploy to secure votes from the Hillary gang.. I'm not 100% sure of the country under her eye. What evidence do you have for this? Edited by Katsuko, Sep 25 2008, 06:31 PM.
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Lord Bowie	Sep 25 2008, 11:41 PM Post #22
What is the difference between a duck? Posts: 4,799 Group: Former Monarchs Member #7,312 Joined: April 10, 2008 Playstation Network ID: Allbowdown Xbox Live Gamertag: allbowdown	Quote: No he's not. He's practically been nominated for his opposition to Bush. He was offered a VP position under Kerry, and rejected an offer from Bush later. It has been stated "McCain votes WITH Bush 95% of the time." Also... .. how touching... Quote: The continued liberty of a country isn't trivial. Shall we put you in a pre-American Iraq equivalent? I don't think that we should have gone in the first place, but now that we're there, we have a responsibility to all Iraqi citizens to do the job. As I've said numerous times, that job is getting done, and we're going to pull out one way or another. I agree that we should finish what we started.. HOWEVER we should have never started anything there.. Eventually we WILL have to pull out, we can't just occupy that country forever. Eventually we WILL leave and Iraq will fall into coups and rebellions and will be even worse in the long run had we just left the relatively harmless (to us) Saddam in power. Quote: Proof? I blame Democrats more than anyone. Fannie May has been an organ of the Democratic Party since FDR founded the thing. The Iraq War.. started by Bush. A REPUBLICAN... Wars cost LOTS OF MONEY... Along with the bad bank monitoring due to him stopping certain initiatives, the banks gave out bad loans and in the end it is a major result of this crippled economy. Quote: A. Bush Sr. wasn't a conservative. He was a Republican liberal. B. Bush Sr. didn't wreck the economy. He was the victim of one of the smallest recessions in US history, blown up by media attention. And even modern Democrats support what we did in the first gulf war /= Don't talk to me about the Gulf War, I'm angry that we left before finishing (setting up the war we're in NOW) since my mom and dad were both apart of that war and know how bad it was and how bad it was economically back at home. Democrats support the fact we pulled out, but its bad to have done so when we did. Clinton fixed what Bush 1 broke and that is historical fact via the numbers. Quote: A. that wouldn't make it fact; that would make it an educated opinion. B. That is simply inaccurate. Jimmy Carter and Lindon B. Johnson were some of the worst (economically and otherwise) presidents of the century, and were both Democrats. Eisenhower, the presidents of the 20's, and Ronald Reagan were Republicans, and served over some of the best. Until very recently, Bush led one of the most economically successful times in American history, in which the GDP grew throughout, and unemployment dropped steadily. Now there's a bit of trouble because of the real estate industry, and because of Fanny May's MORONIC practices, but this really isn't Bush's fault. Herbert Hoover, though a Republican, started the Depression largely with protectionism--he and his Congress raised tariffs phenomenally to protect the interests of American traders. Unfortunately, as history has proven time and time again, neither mercantilism nor protectionism work. Funny thing? Protectionism, Herbert Hoover's supposed Republican crime, is now very popular in the Democratic party. Jimmy was a good guy (poor market manager I will admit) and Lyndon wasn't even supposed to become the president, however Watergate forced Richard Nixon (A president I respect all though he was sleezy) to step down. I look to Clinton as one of the best economists in American history. And I don't fully blame Bush, really hes just a puppet for his father, and the people under him aren't the greatest I also admit, but he still is the ultimate reason why this happened for passing some things, rejecting others.. and appointing who he's appointed. And the Democrats, while SOME favor Protectionism, have never done anything so bad as Double H, as to tank our economy completely over it. Quote: What evidence do you have for this? McCain putting his campaign on hold is #1. Typically when you cannot preform, you have the Vice nominee step in for you, he doesn't trust her so hes trying to shut it all down momentarily since on one hand he really wants to do good, and on the other he knows he cant out debate Barrack so he's trying to limit Obama's voice. Next, outside of a few major conventions where the vice is expected to speak, I haven't seen Palin do much of anything while Biden has been working non-stop. The entire Republican party respects Palin, as do I, but she can be very defensive (overly usually) in debates and doesn't preform well when under fire from what I have seen from Television interviews to simple press releases. McCain doesn't want her in the spotlight because, while she is really his only chance of winning.. she can also be his poison. And as for her being chosen to take up Hillary votes.. isn't it obvious!?!?! WHO LOOKS TO ALASKA FOR A VP!!!!!! Edited by Bowie, Sep 25 2008, 11:42 PM.
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~~Eprahim~~	Sep 26 2008, 03:57 AM Post #23
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,075 Group: Game Over :( Member #3,768 Joined: November 21, 2007	Neo Metallix Sep 25 2008, 04:08 PM So far all I've heard from Obama are grand speeches full of words... Big fancy words that add a lot of fluff to get him elected... "We are not democrats or republicans, we are Americans!!"... When I heard that I just laughed and was nauseated. It's just too much cheese!! That. So far all I heard from Obama is fried air.



Katsuko	Sep 26 2008, 03:55 PM Post #24
Sandopolis Act 1 Posts: 1,687 Group: S Rank Hero Member #1,933 Joined: August 14, 2007 Gender: Male	Quote: I agree that we should finish what we started.. HOWEVER we should have never started anything there.. Eventually we WILL have to pull out, we can't just occupy that country forever. Eventually we WILL leave and Iraq will fall into coups and rebellions and will be even worse in the long run had we just left the relatively harmless (to us) Saddam in power. A. The attack on Iraq was voted in almost unanimously in Congress /= You can't really call it a Bush thing. B. I'm not so sure it will fall apart. We'll see I suppose Quote: The Iraq War.. started by Bush. A REPUBLICAN... Wars cost LOTS OF MONEY... Along with the bad bank monitoring due to him stopping certain initiatives, the banks gave out bad loans and in the end it is a major result of this crippled economy. A. I already gave statistics on the War. Reagan, and almost every president before him up to the post-war period, spent a larger percent of the government's income on defense. B. Freddie and Fannie Mac, the main perpetrators of the bad bank policy your referring to there, WAS AN ISSUE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. It was created and run almost entirely by Democrats, and was defended by Democrats when people said that this would happen. Democrats led it (again, Obama's economic adviser was president at one point), it's lined Democratic pockets, etc. Most of what the government has to do with the current economic problems have to do with this. The rest has almost entirely to do with the real estate industry. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/fannie_and_freddie_gop_cleanin. http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/09/fannie-maefreddie-mac-collapse-democrats-fault.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBRIsCkGQ0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bLFPjLaXPM&feature=related Barny Frank, a prominent Democrat, was one of its biggest supporters. People have been saying for years that this collapse would happen--He called it scare tactics. Quote: Don't talk to me about the Gulf War, I'm angry that we left before finishing (setting up the war we're in NOW) since my mom and dad were both apart of that war and know how bad it was and how bad it was economically back at home. Democrats support the fact we pulled out, but its bad to have done so when we did. Clinton fixed what Bush 1 broke and that is historical fact via the numbers. I agree, we shouldn't have left, but it would have been quite as unpopular to occupy the country then as it is now. Also, the numbers may support that idea, but we can't really take that and say that Clinton therefore fixed the economy; the president isn't the only person involved here. I remind you that had we had this debate a year earlier, Bush Jr.'s economic record would look EXTREMELY good. It's marred now only by bank problems that have been argued for years, but kept alive by Democrats, and because of a down-turn in real estate. What actual policies did Clinton initiate that fixed our economy? Quote: And the Democrats, while SOME favor Protectionism, have never done anything so bad as Double H, as to tank our economy completely over it. It's the idea behind it though. Do you support the dole, a liberal idea, or don't you? Is it better to have a planned economy, or a free market? Protectionism is a liberal idea, and the free market is a conservative one. Quote: he cant out debate Barrack so he's trying to limit Obama's voice. This certainly isn't the popular consensus. The main question being asked, that I've noticed, seems to be "Why won't Obama have a town-hall debate with McCain?" Quote: And as for her being chosen to take up Hillary votes.. isn't it obvious!?!?! WHO LOOKS TO ALASKA FOR A VP!!!!!! Well, she isn't just popular because she doesn't have penis. It wouldn't take a genius to recognize her appeal, and considering that McCain's other choices were all practically suicidal (Lieberman, Romney, etc), perhaps he got desperate and looked specifically for someone who could consolidate his base (Reagan Democrats and other moderates), while not alienating religious righter conservative types, as she has succeeded in doing? Edited by Katsuko, Sep 26 2008, 04:06 PM.
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~~Eprahim~~	Sep 27 2008, 02:20 AM Post #25
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,075 Group: Game Over :( Member #3,768 Joined: November 21, 2007	Yvette Sep 26 2008, 03:55 PM Quote: And as for her being chosen to take up Hillary votes.. isn't it obvious!?!?! WHO LOOKS TO ALASKA FOR A VP!!!!!! Well, she isn't just popular because she doesn't have penis. It wouldn't take a genius to recognize her appeal, and considering that McCain's other choices were all practically suicidal (Lieberman, Romney, etc), perhaps he got desperate and looked specifically for someone who could consolidate his base (Reagan Democrats and other moderates), while not alienating religious righter conservative types, as she has succeeded in doing? Very agreed. I think Palin was one of the best choices by McCain. Also, I'm pretty sick and tired of people saying that McCain is a Bush clone - did you have him as president? Did he do the exact same things as Bush? No.



Nail Strafer	Sep 29 2008, 01:14 PM Post #26
Flying Battery Act 2 Posts: 1,218 Group: A Rank Hero Member #8,106 Joined: May 5, 2008	I don�t feel good about Palin being our vice president. McCain�s quite old, you know, which means there is a realistic chance he could die in office if he's elected. If that happens, Palin becomes the President. Now, picture Hockey Mom VS someone like Putin. That's a pretty scary thought. Edited by Nail Strafer, Sep 29 2008, 01:24 PM.



The Storyteller	Sep 29 2008, 01:22 PM Post #27
No U Posts: 6,820 Group: B Rank Legend Member #9,331 Joined: September 4, 2008 Playstation Network ID: Noblehardt Xbox Live Gamertag: Pharaoh Knight	Nail Strafer Sep 29 2008, 01:14 PM I don�t feel good about Palin being our vice president. McCain�s quite old, you know, which means there is a realistic chance he could die in office if he's elected. If that happens, Palin becomes the President. Now, picture Hockey Mom VS Putin. That's a pretty scary thought. Palin is more qualified then Obama,Nail!
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Nail Strafer	Sep 29 2008, 01:26 PM Post #28
Flying Battery Act 2 Posts: 1,218 Group: A Rank Hero Member #8,106 Joined: May 5, 2008	She has little foreign policy experience, and until recently she has never left North America. What did she say about her foreign policy experience again? She can see Russia from Alaska. That�s like saying I�m an expert on trains because I live next to a trainyard, even though I have never visited it. I decided a long time ago to go vote for Obama. I doubt that any of you will change my mind. I've been following this election for quite a while, and no articles/blogs/videos/etc. in favor of McCain have managed to do it. There are points where I reconsidered, but I've never gotten past "undecided" to "McCain". Edited by Nail Strafer, Sep 29 2008, 02:36 PM.



~~Eprahim~~	Sep 30 2008, 03:27 AM Post #29
Lava Reef Act 2 Posts: 4,075 Group: Game Over :( Member #3,768 Joined: November 21, 2007	Nail Strafer Sep 29 2008, 01:14 PM I don�t feel good about Palin being our vice president. McCain�s quite old, you know, which means there is a realistic chance he could die in office if he's elected. If that happens, Palin becomes the President. Now, picture Hockey Mom VS someone like Putin. That's a pretty scary thought. Not as much as Obama.



Nail Strafer	Sep 30 2008, 04:27 AM Post #30
Flying Battery Act 2 Posts: 1,218 Group: A Rank Hero Member #8,106 Joined: May 5, 2008	Palin believes that the Iraq War is 'a task that is from God'. This sounds awful familiar...Bush frequently appealed to God as well, and it's obviously not working out for him. Also, "God's Will" has been used as an excuse to justify countless atrocities over hundreds of years, the recent Iraq War being one of them. We don't need any more world leaders doing things like this.



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