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| Topic Started: Sep 4 2008, 12:27 PM (512 Views) | |
Neo Metallix
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Sep 4 2008, 12:27 PM Post #1 |
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Ok so what games do you like that you think are way better than popular ones and deserve more credit? Driver > Grand Theft Auto - I've always felt the Driver series offered better action, cop chases, and realism. The realism made it just more fun than cars that handled like hotwheels... Syphon Filter > Metal Gear Solid - Ok, they aren't exactly in the same genre, but Syphon Filter offers stealth as well as running and gunning. It just offers much more of a fun factor and you can play it however you want, especially the PSP versions. Socom US Navy Seals > Call of Duty - Ok, the Socom series isn't really underrated, it was the most popular tactical shooter of last gen, but this gen it has been outshined by Call of Duty 4. You always know when a Call of Duty player is on Socom, because they always get owned. Socom actually requires stealth and more skill. These are some reasons I find it to be better than COD. Silent Hill > Resident Evil - They're similar in nature, but Resident Evil lacks in the horror department compared to Silent Hill... Silent Hill is all about psychological horror and has some freaky monsters.  That's all I have for now. |
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| Nail Strafer | Sep 4 2008, 02:44 PM Post #2 |
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To be honest, I question three out of these four. The driving in Driver is indeed much more fun than it is in Grand Theft Auto...and it has that wicked fun replay mode in most of the games, but that's about it. GTA has it beat every other way. I don't think one series is a replacement of the other. Also, you can play GTA games for years while you're basically done with most Driver games after you finish them. I've only played Syphon Filter 2 myself, but I would easily rate Metal Gear Solid as the better game. By comparison to MGS1, SF2 had bleh graphics, bleh voice acting, and irritating trial and error stealth sections where you lose instantly if you're seen. Oh, not to mention the levels were quite linear in nature too, while MGS1 let you wander around a bit and experiment. In SF2 I felt like I was playing a memory game at times, where I was merely learning the level instead of using actual skill to win. Silent Hill doesn't really replace Resident Evil either. Silent Hill has the horror thing downpat. I still get nightmares when I think about Silent Hill 2...in fact I actually think the game did too good of a job. Kind of like Batman Returns, a few Silent Hill games are much too dark and depressing. You feel worse about yourself after you're done playing, and I really don't like that. On the other hand though, if you want some great action, Resident Evil beats Silent Hill in spades. It's more realistic playing as a character who knows little about combat (like Silent Hill characters do), but it also means having to put up with their weak aim and poor combat skills throughout the game. The monsters are slower to compensate, but it just makes the game feel sluggish compared to the pace RE sets. Edited by Nail Strafer, Sep 4 2008, 02:50 PM.
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Neo Metallix
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This is about your opinion, not debating others opinions, but whatever... GTA only has Driver beat in on foot stuff, which really I could care less about. You get your guns and kill/fight people. That's about all you can do in GTA when you're not driving. GTA3 was a breath of fresh air, but after they kept doing the same thing over and over, I got bored of the games before I even beat them. You just do the same thing with a few added features each game and a different setting. Same can be said for Driver, but I find the meat and bones of Driver(cop chases/driving) to be better than the meat and bones of GTA. The first one was the best on the PSone and was ahead of its time when it came out. I've played most of the Metal Gears except 3 and 4. I've played Portable Ops too. I've also played most of the Syphon Filters except for 2. I find it way better in gameplay. MGS is just way too slow for me. Also the PSP Syphon Filters have been immensely improved with stealth and stuff like that. As for Resident Evil... Only RE4 really kills Silent Hill in Action, but then again, I really don't care. Silent Hill Origins is also a huge step to the series like Resident Evil 4 was to the RE series. Edited by Neo Metallix, Sep 4 2008, 03:02 PM.
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| Nail Strafer | Sep 4 2008, 03:13 PM Post #4 |
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GTA's also got flying and myriad other activities aside from driving and shooting too. Because of this, I could play GTA for years experimenting and playing around with the engine while Driver I stop immediately after I beat the game. To me, the mark of a great game is one I can keep coming back to no matter how many times I've finished it or how long I've had it, and still have fun. I have not met a single Driver game that managed to do this. Their storylines and characters are also weak, while GTA's are much more vibrant and easy to like. I won't argue with you about Syphon Filter considering I've only played 2. Still though, 2 left a pretty sour taste in my mouth I've never been able to get rid of. *shakes head* You've got all the light gun games for the RE series too, especially Umbrella Chronicles. RE3 also gives you a hell of a lot of ammo and guns too. Even on hard mode you're never far away from another weapon or ammo. It's not just the guns and shooting either. The characters usually run faster, and the enemies are usually faster too (apart from zombies, of course), which means you need to be quicker with the controller. Or if they're slow you usually have to deal with a few at the same time, while Silent Hill typically doesn't do this. By comparison most Silent Hill characters feel kind of slow and plodding, especially when it comes time to fight. You also have to rely more on melee weapons, which further slows down the game. I know, I'm a devout fan of the series and I've played nearly all the games. But I've also played every SH game up to 3. RE plots also tend to give a greater sense of urgency and survival, while Silent Hill games tend to play out more like a mystery (especially with puzzles that are even more obscure than RE's). Just play RE3 and Silent Hill back to back, and you'll see what I'm talking about. As for a series I like better than an overrated one... Forza > Gran Turismo - Forza fixed a lot of problems that GT has been taking their sweet time in fixing. Sorry, but I don't want to be kept waiting over 10 years for visual car damage and other things that should have been around a long time ago. I will not wait for Polyphony to get it perfect, just because they're Polyphony. Edited by Nail Strafer, Sep 4 2008, 03:34 PM.
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Neo Metallix
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Sep 4 2008, 04:57 PM Post #5 |
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I think you've misunderstood the purpose of this thread, it's for giving your opinion. You really can't turn this into a debate thread, because there's nothing to debate... GTA... I'm glad you have so much fun, but to me it's always the same. There's only so much you can fly, shoot, play mini games, etc before it becomes tired and redundant. Believe me when I say I was the biggest GTA fan when GTA3 came out on PS2, but they just kept doing the same game over and over in different clothing. When San Andreas came out, it kept me entertained for awhile but then I just felt underwhelmed because it was just like the previous two. RE... I too have played almost all of the REs, except for the spin offs and same for Silent Hill. I could care less about light guns. Umbrella Chronicals wasn't that good to me, nor was Gun Survivor. Everything else you said, made some good points, but those points don't really make me think the game is any better. The only RE I'd consider to be as good as Silent Hill or better is RE4. Of course that was an action game mostly and lost the feel of the old games. There is one thing I actually didn't think of though... Silent Hill is not underrated, so I don't know what I was thinking mentioning it. If anything I should have said Fatal Frame. Now that's a horror game. As for Forza, it's not really an underrated game either. You can't compare the two in how long it took them to implement things because Forza didn't start on a 32 bit system and Forza 2 is on a current system, while no GT game has been released on a current system(aside from a prebuild that fans cried for). Edited by Neo Metallix, Sep 4 2008, 05:05 PM.
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| Nail Strafer | Sep 5 2008, 06:08 AM Post #6 |
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No, I understand the purpose of this thread just fine. But I do not like the purpose of it, hence why I feel like changing the direction of it. Overrated series are usually popular for good reasons, hence you can expect other people to have strong opinions about which series are better than the others. It's kind of hard for people to sit idly by while their fave series is picked at, you know. Because of that, I think if we allowed some argument this topic could become very lively and entertaining. But if all we're allowed to do is post our opinions and not comment on each other's, this topic's set up to become a dull listing topic. But I do disagree with you on that there's nothing to debate here. When you start talking about the specifics of games (for example, my comments on GT taking 10 years to get car damage), you're dabbling in facts. You can argue with facts just fine, as both of us have very well demonstrated. But okay. If you don't want a debate, I will stop. But don't argue back next time if you don't want to argue. All you're doing is encouraging other people to continue arguing. Edited by Nail Strafer, Sep 5 2008, 06:45 AM.
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Sep 5 2008, 08:25 AM Post #7 |
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I kind of liked Okage: Shadow King! It isn't really as good as other RPG's in gameplay, but it has a unique storyline with charming characters and unforgettable dialogue! |
 
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Sep 5 2008, 09:55 AM Post #8 |
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If you never played Shadow of Rome, you don't know, what hardcore fighting is. Plus barely anyone heard of it, It's one of Capcom's finest games. Anyone should pick it up, counting it's a PS2 game it shouldn't be too expensive. I never realy got into the driver games, I played the original two on my PS1 and found the dull, and boring. Sure the driving was fun but then If I wanted to play a city driving game I would have played Midtown madness now wouldn't I ? Forza, I never played it really, and as for resident evil and silent hill, In RE it's more about shooting hordes of undead while in Silent Hill is more of a survival game. Plus it's spooky. |
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| King of Kings | Sep 5 2008, 10:27 AM Post #9 |
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Splinter cell may not be overrated, but I prefer it over Metal Gear Solid and Syphon Filter. Cod4 pwns all shooters.( except maybe Halo 3) I don't play GTA or Driver, but you'd think GTA would have an advantage... |
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| Nail Strafer | Sep 5 2008, 10:43 AM Post #10 |
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Oooooh...I have Shadow of Rome. Know exactly what you're talking about. Some of those arena challenges are just plain brutal, and the AI is really good. They put up a good fight, and you won't get away with just mashing the attack button again and again. You actually have to block and watch for openings in their defenses and such. I really liked getting to explore pre-Christian Rome too. This game made me realize I enjoy titles set in historical settings. It got me to buy the western-themed game GUN, and I liked it that much more just because of getting to explore the 1880s Wild West time period. There is also the Tokyo Xtreme Racer series. Most people only know the first one though. But it has been going on for a while. In any case, in most TXR games, you race around Tokyo's highways, and your goal is to find and defeat every other driver in the game. Most of these are easy...but you also have to fulfill special requirements to find Wanderers, who count towards the rival tally. Some will only race a particular car, some will only race you if it's this time of day (in realtime), etc. Very interesting but also very frustrating. My favorite is TXR3 out of them all. You get to race in Osaka and Nagoya as well, and there's a lot of foreign cars to pick too (while most TXR games are very heavy on Japanese cars). They also made a side series called TXR Drift, where you participate in races on mountain passes throughout Japan. What makes this series kind of cool is that these courses are so twisty, that a less powerful car can actually be more useful than a high powered car. It opens up a lot of options for cars you'd never use in other racers. I wish the physics model were a bit better though...it's tricky to drift in the game, even though it is one of the main activities. But if you're living in America and you like touge (mountain pass) racing, it's pretty much the only choice you've got. Oh, I also like how references to the street racing animes Initial D and Wangan Midnight are dropped all over the place in the TXR games, because I love both shows. There will usually be racers with the same cars, personalities (and even catch phrases!) of characters in the animes. Edited by Nail Strafer, Sep 5 2008, 10:45 AM.
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Neo Metallix
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Sep 5 2008, 11:01 AM Post #11 |
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Well if you feel like debating it, then go ahead. You can't really debate with someone's opinion though and all you were doing was saying stuff I already knew about the games that really didn't effect my opinion, but you're right about the facts, and who's picking at a series? I'm just saying I think these underrated series(with the exception of silent hill, I wasn't really thinking on that one) are better. I never said, I thought the overrated ones were bad. I like all of those too(with the exception of GTA). And really... Overrated series are overrated because they're good and their publisher pours tons of money into advertising. That's not to say they're great, often times overrated series AREN'T great... Plus there are many games that go unnoticed and are better than a majority of popular ones. Edited by Neo Metallix, Sep 5 2008, 11:02 AM.
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| Nail Strafer | Sep 5 2008, 12:08 PM Post #12 |
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It’s not like Driver does much better. The first one was easily the best in the series…but that’s not saying a lot. Now it feels outdated and boring, because GTA3 took nearly everything it did and did it better. Driver 2 was way too laggy, and the graphics were just plain nasty. Sure, you could get out of the car now and steal other vehicles (which felt revolutionary before GTA3), but the game just looked so ugly and laggy it obscured the coolness. A few missions had just plain unforgiving difficulty too, while GTA is much better in this regard. Driv3r had that lame title...but I will say it was much better to play than 2. I liked the physics model better than GTA’s, plus the graphics were a lot better. But the developers obviously thought GTA was the better series by this point, because they copied things off of it. In particular, you now had on foot portions where you shot at other characters, much like GTA. Driver Parallel Lines pretty much cemented the developers thought GTA was the better series. The replay mode vanished, you had free roam in the main game, and there were lots of little side quests you could do…they even threw in hunting for “hidden packages” (stars, in this case). I can appreciate a ripoff game if they improve upon the formula that was set up by the ripoffee (like Forza VS GT), but that didn't happen here. The only new and cool idea they had was having the time period change from 1978 to 2006 midgame. That was really impressive. It’s just a shame that it being a blatant ripoff in almost every other regard obscures this brilliance.
Silent Hill indeed has the better story and horror atmosphere. But how come I’ve played through Resident Evil 3 twenty times (literally), while I’ve only played through Silent Hill one time? Silent Hill is too story-driven of a series. No matter how strong the story is, you only need to play a story-driven game one time, because now it’s essentially a movie where you get to control the characters in some portions. Most movies you only need to watch one time. If you stripped away its storyline, Silent Hill would be a rather unremarkable survival horror game, because the gameplay by itself isn’t that interesting. Yeah, it is a killer story…but it’s not good for replay value.
Polyphony has more money and talent than God right now, I’d imagine. With that under their belts, I think it’s very embarrassing for them that GT still doesn’t have many of the things that Forza has right now. Oh, also, by the way…you can’t compare Forza 2 and GT5 Prologue right now…but you CAN compare Forza 1 with GT4. Same console generation, and they weren’t released that far apart. Forza 1 still has many of the features Forza 2 has right now.
You do have a significantly easier time finding better games when you look through the overrated ones though. Granted, I do love checking out unknown stuff myself, since I've got money to blow these days. But for every great unknown game I find, I usually end up wasting money on several games that are unknown for a good reason (i.e. they suck). This especially happens a lot when I go shopping for NES games at Game X Change. Although lesser known games usually go for cheaper, so it kind of balances out. Edited by Nail Strafer, Sep 5 2008, 01:27 PM.
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| Beta_Ray_Banhammer | Sep 5 2008, 02:52 PM Post #13 |
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 VIEWTIFUL **Bleep**ING JOE! Best Beat 'em up game series, ever  This is not up for discussion  |
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Sep 5 2008, 03:12 PM Post #14 |
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Unreal, Quake > Halo /thread |
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Sep 5 2008, 04:20 PM Post #15 |
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I hardly think this one is that underrated! I don't think Capcom would bother putting the Devil May Cry references in those games if nobody played them! |
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| Beta_Ray_Banhammer | Sep 5 2008, 04:59 PM Post #16 |
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Yeah, but there's the fact the another VJ game is next to impossible since Capcom dissolved Clover Studios... 
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| Golden | Sep 5 2008, 05:07 PM Post #17 |
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I disagree with all the things you people have mentioned. Especially that part about "Unreal, Quake > Halo" |
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Sep 5 2008, 06:18 PM Post #18 |
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Apparently you're one of the people who caused these games to be underrated, then! |
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| DragonFlame | Sep 6 2008, 11:23 AM Post #19 |
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I haven't been looking into games that much really. But one game i could at least come up with. Spartan Total War. I don't know how many times i mentioned this. But the game is underrated and it's equal contester would be God of War. Frankly there is no way it could challenge such a great title. But lemme get straight. Pushed down into the thrash can literally, even if i enjoyed it 100%. The beginning of Sparta defending the town from Rome into finally stand up against the god of war. Battling foes in great battles, and somewhat tricky quests. Anyway, a game that felt lost because of reviewers. Blasted away such a title is pretty most leaving me with a grudge. What in the word do they require of a game anyway. I enjoyed it, and i am sure those who played the xbox version apparently much better then the PS2 title. Nevertheless a game back that time would stand massive and a most brutal graphical game only a few years back ago. Yet once again, it's contester outmatched most competitors and still do. |
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Sep 6 2008, 01:19 PM Post #20 |
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Half-life series > Any FPS ever. That's my word on FPS's. But there's so many great games out there. But one thing that grinds my shit is the amount of FPS's we're barraged with these days. Most are awful anyway. |
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