Gristle

Feb 10 2008, 06:07 PM

Why is it that Christians think they are so held down? I mean, where I live 80% of the town is Christian. No muslims here I think. And the rest is atheist/agnostic. Almost all of my school is christian and its a secular school. The fact remains that its the atheists/agnostics that are held back quite a bit, but Christians, for some odd reason, think its the other way around.

Hell I heard most of the US is outspokenly Christian, especially the south parts. And in the south parts, atheists/agnostics are almost always discriminated.

Metallix

Feb 11 2008, 12:42 AM

Gristle

Feb 10 2008, 06:07 PM

Why is it that Christians think they are so held down? I mean, where I live 80% of the town is Christian. No muslims here I think. And the rest is atheist/agnostic. Almost all of my school is christian and its a secular school. The fact remains that its the atheists/agnostics that are held back quite a bit, but Christians, for some odd reason, think its the other way around.

Hell I heard most of the US is outspokenly Christian, especially the south parts. And in the south parts, atheists/agnostics are almost always discriminated.

You may think they are not, but you have not been in their shoes, you aren't always around them so you don't know what kind of discrimination there is. Not that I'm saying there is a lot, but if you don't know about it how can you say it's not there? A lot of the discrimination against Christians is just due to people who know nothing about the religion thinking they know everything.

Also most of the US claims to be Christian... I wonder how many ACTUALLY live the Christian way?

Gristle

Feb 10 2008, 06:07 PM

Why is it that Christians think they are so held down? I mean, where I live 80% of the town is Christian. No muslims here I think. And the rest is atheist/agnostic. Almost all of my school is christian and its a secular school. The fact remains that its the atheists/agnostics that are held back quite a bit, but Christians, for some odd reason, think its the other way around.

Hell I heard most of the US is outspokenly Christian, especially the south parts. And in the south parts, atheists/agnostics are almost always discriminated.

Hanyou

Feb 11 2008, 01:20 PM

Gristle

Feb 10 2008, 06:07 PM

Why is it that Christians think they are so held down? I mean, where I live 80% of the town is Christian. No muslims here I think. And the rest is atheist/agnostic. Almost all of my school is christian and its a secular school. The fact remains that its the atheists/agnostics that are held back quite a bit, but Christians, for some odd reason, think its the other way around.

Hell I heard most of the US is outspokenly Christian, especially the south parts. And in the south parts, atheists/agnostics are almost always discriminated.

Evidently, you're either unaware of the strain of elitism perpetuated by modern humanism or you're simply unaffected by it. Christians see a dangerous attack on their belief system from all sides. Christian values, in such outlets as the New York Times, are declared obsolete. Liberal judges (this dates as far back as the Everson v. Board decision) replace freedom of religion with such phrases as "separation of church and state" distorting or completely ignoring the Constitution's original intent. For many, affordable private education simply doesn't exist, and they're forced to send their kids to public schools that trample on Christian values.

Perhaps that is not the case with your school. Perhaps the student body is more predominantly Christian than atheist or agnostic. That says little about the lessons taught nationwide--the push for even more comprehensive sex education, for example, or a less "West-centered" view of history. In truth, it depends on the district and the state. Still, federal mandates on public schools rarely extend beyond limitations on Christianity.

Keep in mind that Christian families don't exist in a vacuum. You can talk about personal responsibility all you want, but eventually, people will come into contact with ideologies with which they disagree. The fact that so much of our entertainment industry and media skews left (and consequently, away from conservative Christian values) means that people are subjected to far less Christian influence. This may be the primary sticking point for conservatives. That isn't to say we should restrict free speech, but rather that certain forms of free speech (those which are demeaning towards Christians) have become much more politically correct than others. For example, the Brooklyn Museum of Art hosted a work of "art" that portrayed the Virgin Mary with cow dung, when it would clearly be seen as a hate crime against Islam if a Christian did anything of the sort.

SOTI

Feb 11 2008, 02:30 PM

The Muhammad incident was all planned to cause trouble, it ended up getting a South Park two-parter.
People are entitled to what they do or do not believe.

Hanyou

Feb 11 2008, 01:20 PM

Evidently, you're either unaware of the strain of elitism perpetuated by modern humanism or you're simply unaffected by it.

Gristle

Feb 12 2008, 04:11 AM

Hanyou

Feb 11 2008, 01:20 PM

Evidently, you're either unaware of the strain of elitism perpetuated by modern humanism or you're simply unaffected by it.

And have you ever heard of the strain of elitism from Christian groups? Don't get me wrong but groups on both the Christian and humanist sides have the same kind of "elitism", they just have different excuses.