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Aug 31 2006, 01:30 PM Post #1 |
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Here's alittle what devs have to say about Blu Ray.... I've been hearing this for awhile already, but thought I'd post this newer article. The debate over Blu-ray in the PS3 has only intensified as more information has come to light. Many people question whether or not a new format, especially with such a large amount of space, is really required for next generation gaming. Further, many people question whether or not the price increase due to the technology is worth the gain. However not all views on the format have been doom-and-gloom. Several developers we contacted were eager to tell use why they thought Blu-ray was not only important, but imperative for the PS3 and Sony, and a genuine edge over Microsoft. “Consider that games of the current generation have to use DVD5 or DVD9 for all of their content,” points out Mike Ball, Co-founder and CTO of Ninja Theory, the studio behind the anticipated title Heavenly Sword. “So roughly the storage medium is 100 times larger than the main RAM of the unit. Although they could, it's rare that a current gen title would take the option of pressing on CD for example. Next generation machines have ~512MB RAM on board, so a DVD5 or DVD9 is only 10-20 times the size of main RAM. “Why is the ratio important? Many games use streaming, so a single level can require many times the amount of data needed to fill the main RAM of the console.” Mike goes on to point out that the quality of the content in the future is only increasing, and that the filesizes will follow. “Don't forget the streaming audio too. Dialog may be translated to multiple languages especially if a title is for multiple territories. Some audio may be surround sound, so that will push up the size. It's also worth considering HD video especially if it's 1080p @ 60Hz at high quality.” The problem this presents is that the current DVD formats use a larger laser, allowing them to store less data in the same space a smaller laser, like the one in a Blu-ray player, can store and read. Mr. Ball says he thinks “it's not a problem for the current titles, [but] I'm sure that many will soon find a single DVD9 to be quite tight. In fact I'm sure it won't be too long before we see multiple disk games being released.” Other developers have said that they value the improved data streaming that Blu-ray provides them, and the ability to create a game without worrying about distributing content between multiple disks. “With a single Blu-ray disk, you know that all the data will be there.” While some think that the ability to put games on a single disk is not worth the cost of Blu-ray, the developers clearly disagree. We won't be able to make a completely educated judgment until the system is released, but we are looking forward to seeing the technology in action. Author: Jordan Reuel LeDoux |
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| The Katamari King | Aug 31 2006, 01:59 PM Post #2 |
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i personally dont think that we need all that space for games, i mean, oblivion on 360, i gigantic game, only took up about 5 G of a 9G dvd, even though its not being used for games yet, i think the HD-DVD is going to prevail, not because its going to be on the 360, but because blue ray just costs too much when people can get the HD-DVD for less money, and it also doesn't help that in terms of movies, blue ray delivers nothing more then the cheaper HD-DVD does, but back into gaming, if blue ray fails to become the new standard, its gonna cost a fortune to make games on it, and i reall dont want to pay $70 to $80 for a game |
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Aug 31 2006, 02:06 PM Post #3 |
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PS3 games will be $60 and when people buy HD-DVD they'll soon throw it away and buy Blu Ray. :lol: Most of Hollywood is supporting Blu Ray. HD-DVD won't be getting many movies. Blu Ray won't fail. Even if the movies do the games won't. Just because the movies fail doesn't mean they'll quit making Blu Ray games and since they're already making them on Blu Ray I don't see it getting more expensive. Think about this... When PS2 came out CDs were enough to fit a game on now some games on PS2 are using dual layer DVDs... Sony nearly owns 50% of the movie industry too. 
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| The Katamari King | Aug 31 2006, 02:25 PM Post #4 |
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your not looking at this from a marketing or consumer view, on the marketing side, if blue ray doesnt succed in movies, games alone will not make it the new standard, which means it will cost more because they wont have the sales from movies to boost it up, and movies or not, consumers are going to go out and buy the cheaper product especially when there isnt a difference between the 2 besides the more space on blue ray, which it wont even really need for movies, i dont know about you but i dont like any movie that much that i would spend $1000 just for the player and then another $30 for the movie, thats just insane, and sony owns umd but you dont see many movies for that, why? because its overpriced for something that isnt any better then its dvd competitor, and i think it will be the same story with blue ray and HD-DVD, but heres one more scenario, your an avergage person going out to buy the latest movie player, you see blue ray and HD-DVDs on the shelf, they both promise the same experience but one is cheaper. which do you pick? the cheaper one of course, the average consumer isnt going to know anything about the size of blue ray's memory, all they will see is that they can get the same thing for less, (unless its some techie who wont settle for anything but the best and goes for the more expensive choice because its more expensive so it must be better) |
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Aug 31 2006, 03:13 PM Post #5 |
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No it does not matter if the movies fail, because the games will still be made in Blu Ray. It does not need to be a standard to have companies producing games in Blu Ray. Look at UMDs it did not matter that the movies aren't doing well right now and it does not matter that DS games are a standard anywhere else. The system uses it so companies are going to make it. Sony has found a way to make BluRay cheaper to produce than HD-DVD too I believe. Yes the uneducated person will buy HD-DVD probably, but they will soon get rid of it when they find out no movies are being made for it. Seriously, I haven't seen any movies come out for it.. All the big movies say, "Coming out for DVD and BluRay" not HD-DVD. It's like buying a car. You look into two different models at a dealer and one is cheaper so you buy that one, then when you have it you realise you didn't make a very good choise and try to trade it in for the better more expensive model. It will come down in price. UMDs were different. They failed, because Sony gave movie companies a hands off approach so they could make it however they wanted. They flooded the market with overpriced UMDs. Sony is now taking action and will give them guidlines to follow. One of which may be a $15 price cap. |
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| The Katamari King | Aug 31 2006, 03:22 PM Post #6 |
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yes but if they are just using the discs for games then they are going to lose a ton of money on it and most likely have to charge more for the games to make up for the production costs, and when the umd came out every commercial said dvd and umd, people will buy HD-DVD players, and they will be able to watch the dvds they already have on it too so they won't throw it away and go for a blue ray player, another thing is that blue ray doesnt even need all space it has, blue ray movies use alot of the space because the format sony has doesnt compress well so therefore the data is spread out on to more of an area then it could be on, HD-DVD has better compressiong and in the end actually has a slightly better picture then blue ray |
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Aug 31 2006, 03:29 PM Post #7 |
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Compression lowers the quality. It doesn't even matter anyway. Blu Ray players also play DVDs and no one's going to care if it uses too much space. The games also won't be more expensive. They can manufacture Blu Ray discs at a lower cost that DVDs now and they'll be around $60 like 360 games. They'll buy HD-DVD players and hate them. If they want to watch movies in HD. If they're just going to watch most of their DVDs on it, then there's no point. Like I said it was Sony's hands off aproach that let movie companies do whatever they want with the movies that led to UMDs being overpriced w/out any features. |
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| The Katamari King | Aug 31 2006, 03:32 PM Post #8 |
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once again, you have your opinion and i have mine, i would go on but after arguing about stuff the whole night it kinda gets old |
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Aug 31 2006, 03:38 PM Post #9 |
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Well all I know is I wouldn't buy HD-DVD because PS3 is around the corner and it's just as cheap as an HD-DVD player also HD-DVD doesn't have any good movies for it. It's like buying a system for only one game and wishing you had bought the other.. That's what I think. |
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| The Katamari King | Aug 31 2006, 03:41 PM Post #10 |
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all i know is that i wouldnt buy either because ive yet to see one in stores near me :lol: |
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